Vermin Supreme for President 2020

Can you stop wasting time when there are actual campaigns that need actual volunteers

Give me some fucking examples of these presidential campaigns, and tell me how they're actually any better than Vermin Supreme.

He won't be able to because a 3rd party like the PSL or Greens won't win in the US without electoral reform, inclusion in the debates (this requirement can be skirted if popular interest is enough), and popular interest. None of which either party has. Doesn't mean you should not vote 3rd party if you want to protest vote but they won't win.

He looks like someone who would appeal to a wide public (libs) with his light hearted and harmless satire.

Yes, go ahead and participate in a two party system between right wing and center-right wing essentialy enabling this so called representative "democracy".

They've been becoming more and more economically left over the years. I could see an American version of Allende coming from them. However there non-violent which is a shame. The Burger Green Party is surprisingly more left them most Euro Green Parties.

I like this idea.

This is a fair case, but can we pick up momentum here on leftypol with the Greens? Will they run anyone as distinctive as Vermin Supreme?

I'll make a counter - that the greens are more susceptible to the MSM slandering them as nutcases on the basis that they definitively aren't wholly nutcases and will try to go about politics respectably. They're also established as left. Trump, though an actual buffoon, really did have the advantage in the primaries of being able to saturate the media with noise by throwing as much bullshit out there as possible and having a "loud" enough character to attract a loud following. This is a genuine strategy, and in a way Vermin Supreme had already been doing it for years (but with a lot less money behind him) by 2016. Once he attains prominence through this technique and our decisive support, he can make actual rational arguments which we'll be able to help him with. And from a real national platform.

We’ll need to give him a big microphone for this to work.

Using the greens would be pretty fucking good. they will be useful to pick up the centrist and liberal vote as well. how do we meme them though?

Absolutely.
I'm getting in touch with him right now.

hate to rain on your parade..

He's replying, guys.

Well that’s good

The thing about the US Greens is that there in between actual socialism and social democracy. First we need to have the be /ourguys/. Once that is done there probably the best shot of socialism working in the US. Rural white conservitives will support them because of agrarianism, a focus on helping communities, and those people are starting to wake up to the climate reality. Urbanites will support them for social and economic reasons.

The US Greens have been tacking further to the left with every election. One of the national co-chairs is a Marxist and she sometimes even sounds like a dumb tankie on her Facebook page. Last summer the national convention was full of socialists from various organizations and they adopted a platform plank declaring themselves to be eco-socialists. If people continue to push, the old time hippies (which themselves probably make up only 15% of it at most now) in the party can be convinced to abandon their social democracy tendencies entirely. Books like this make a strong case for the environmental movement being a losing battle under capitalism.

This is true, but I see organizing under the Greens as a vehicle to winning these electoral reforms. Something that absolutely has to be done though is to convince them on a national level to abandon instant-runoff voting and switch to advocating for an election system that can actually deal with strategic voting well enough to overcome Duverger's law, such as approval or score voting.

Do we even know who the Greens are running in 2020?

Whoever wins the primary nomination. I honestly hope it isn't Jill again. But it also better not this nutjob Sedinam Moyowasifza-Curry, even though she was very vocal about being a socialist last year. I think she's bipolar, and the reason she got the 2nd highest number of votes after Stein is simply because she raised such a giant stink over everything.

youtube.com/watch?v=bCgblko7X3I

Then we have like 3 years to build Vermin Supreme's support, and as much time before we can build support for the Green candidate.

I would dig having a bipolar president, that would be accelerationist af.

Also here is that young black candidate she was referring to:

web.archive.org/web/20170221190204/http://www.elijahmanley.com:80/bio

Yeah, let's have the Greens run a candidate for president who is constitutionally too young to be president in one of their most important elections ever. The Socialist Equality Party did that same stupid shit last year.

Vermin Supreme it is!

As someone who has worked in the US Green Party for 6 years

The internet greens are far to the left of greens on the ground. The same holds true for most parties you see mentioned on this board. Greens are just progressive Dems who hate war more than prog dems, are more environmental than prog dems, and refuse to seek/take money from businesses. Trotskyists on the ground also are basically just prog Dems.

BUT the Green Party is structurally hardly better than the Dem Party. It's not particularly internally democratic, it's national committee is only slightly less secretive than the DNC, and it doesn't have any useful mechanisms to expel anyone including righties.

All you have to do is agree to a laundry list of highly vague values (including non-violence) to be admitted into the party. So plenty of conservatives and Rockefeller Republicans get let in. Just like the Democrats. It needs to have a more defined value system for entry given. e.g. people are openly misinterpreting the non-violence rule nowadays.

The Greens need union money to make it anywhere. Otherwise it just serves as a bucket for protest votes.

Also, it's a skeleton party in many states. It takes very few people to infiltrate it and rework it.

Which state, if you mind my asking?

Not saying, but it's on the east coast.
The North Carolina Greens are by far the most radical because they can't get ballot access for anything. When you can't get ballot access all you can think about is revolution/violence etc. They are the ones who pushed the eco-socialism onto the party (successfully) to the dismay of about a third of the national party. The eco-socialism plank of course is so far just a symbolic thing.

Greens are generally completely unsuccessful on the east coast. I think Maine, Maryland and New York are sometimes exceptions

All right fam, how can we successfully restructure the Greens to be more democratic? I think this is one of the paramount concerns towards making the Greens a more effective organization right now.

That and a dues system.

Dues won't get the Greens anywhere far. Only union money, a major national/environmental disaster, or a major split from the Dems will get the Greens anywhere

To make the Greens more democratic, you gotta make the GNC list public, you gotta come up with phamphlets on how the party runs at the national and state level, so new members understand, you gotta also let locals vote on what local representatives vote on. Local members who aren't the 1-2 local representatives have no say on what goes on in state meetings.

Also make the GNC forum public. No closed door discussions. Also, since you are from another state, I'll talk nationallly, the party has to be better at recruiting presidential candidates, it needs to advertise exactly how to run. Only Stein knew how to apply properly, the other 3 candidates didn't even file properly, and one of them didn't do it properly at all and she was a huge embarassment at the convention. Only let people run who file correctly, but make it obvious how to run (same goes for local offices)

It isn't already?

Also compare the Libertarian and Green conventions.

The Libertarians vote on their VP nominee
The Greens don't

The libertarians aren't afraid to debate tough issues publically
The Greens are

The Libertarians let their representatives have a lot of say on the proceedings
The Greens just want to get things over with and don't allow much input

Making the party more democratic and vibrant makes it more embarassing (think dancing naked guy), but it also makes it more attractive/powerful

It's completely private, only GNC members can read it. Also the list of GNC members is supposed to be private, but there's a simply way around that.

It's such a daunting task. Let's say I live in one of those skeleton crew states and by virtue of being so small have a pretty large voice on a national level. What can I do personally to make the Greens more democratic?

If you want to change the party nationally, you gotta be a representative of your local. Then contact your state chair asking him how to submit a proposal for the state to vote on to submit to the GNC. Usually you gotta get a few other states on board to make drastic changes to the party, all going through the same process. Takes a lot of work, and it's useful to get a caucus on board: e.g. the young greens are actually active believe it or not, even if they seem to suck at democracy and transparency too

Also if you have influence at the local level and don't care about changing the national level, find a way to make it so locals know about state party votes way ahead of time and let them vote on what you personally decide at a meeting, no weasling around that.

Vermin has my vote if Bernie doesn't run for 2020. He's already a meme, and has been since before Trump.

Right on!

If Vermin won the election he would just keep the same policies in USA just like everyone else.

1. No he wouldn't, we'd all get free ponies.
2. The point isn't even to get him to win, it's to get him closer than he otherwise would be so that people can rally behind him.

So let’s do entryism and make it democratic centralist. (The most democratic way of running a party)

wtf

I don't know what this is, but I kind of assume it has something to do with the ridiculous accusations the Dems and friends were throwing at them. The Greens actually refuted the accusations, but I guess they didn't get to enough people when they did and they feel the need to compensate.

That wouldn’t even be praticle because the biggest state the Greens are in is Maine. Which is 95% white.

Yeah.
It's almost like it plays into the hands of the Dems.

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I don't get why D.S.A.fags don't understand this. If you don't design your party democratically you will end up in the same position as the DemoKKKrats have now. It's absurd that they think repeating the same exact thing will take them anywhere. Also ironic how both of the existing "democratic" parties are hardly democatic, and actually have a tendency to exclude the majority (like the Democrats with working class white males in this country)

#ponygate

Bump.

I'm on at these hours - if they ever hire any mods, put a word in for me.

Look at the pinned threads. They're hiring volunteers right now.

Allegedly