I'm a brainlet so pls no bully

I'm a brainlet so pls no bully.

Is computer a commodity or means of production too, as I can produce work that gets paid with a computer? Also, are youtubers bourgeoisie or proletariat, considering they receive ad revenue?

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Jesus christ, what kind of drugs have you been taking?

Obviously the good shit, these is some divine knowledge beyond our comprehension.

It's an autist spamming probably because he got BTFO in another thread

Fuck off shill

yeah, very well thought out and well reasoned.

depends how much they make. They're alot more like petty bourg by mentality as they are essentially self employed

I'd be grateful if someone were to link me to such thread. Sounds like I missed some prime time fun.

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Things being means of production is not necessarily inherent to something. A car can be personal property or means of production, depending on what it is used for. So too can a computer be personal property or a means of production. It depends on what it used for. Now some retards may claim "this proofs everybody can own means of production" but that ignores the point that one computer doesnt make a company and that freelancers or taxi drivers do not make up the bulk of the real productive jobs in society.

Computers can be commodities. If something is produced to be sold or exchanged, they are a commodity.

A computer is a commodity and personal property if you use it on your free time. If a computer is owned by a company, and that company hires you to work on that computer, it is a means of production and private property. However, if you use your own computer to do work for a corporation, it becomes a means of production, while possibly still being personal property.
tl:dr what makes a tool a commodity or MoP is not the characteristics of the tool itself, but what it's used for
I would guess they'd be classified as petit-bourgeoisie, as they're self employed and operate like small business owners

Oh sorry missed the last part:
They are technically employed by youtube (youtube controls the site and sells the content the producers produce) but people like musicians or entertainment producers have more flexibility and power than other workers. A forklift driver needs to be employed to have work. An entertainer could, if they wanted to, directly get donations from their viewers to live off. But they choose to stay on youtube because the platform is big.

Thanks for the replies, now a brainlet such as me can finally see.

Is a youtuber who gets enough pateron money to completely survive on donations a bourgeois or still a proletariat?

It is a commodity since you bought it.
It can be a mean of production insofar as you produce something with it.

If they manage to live off this as revenue, I'd say that makes them petit-bourgeois.
Otherwise it's irrelevant.

They are self employed with no employees so they dont really fall into the traditional boss-worker relationship that dominates capitalism.
Its just a question of if they act in the interest of the bourgeoisie by defending capitalism or support the workers by opposing capitalism.

Forgot to add:
Worker-boss relations is the dominating relation in capitalism, but its not the only economic position that exists. Reality doesn't fit neatly into categories, but the differences become clear toward the extremes.

This.

Interesting thought.


I am guessing petit-bourgeois is kind of a bad thing to be, but not so bad as being bourgeois?

Well, the petit-bourgeois tend to be reactionary since they have a interest to defend capitalism. This is because just like the bourgeois, they own the MoP and use money->capital->more money. They are like mini-capitalists

makes sense, thanks

What makes something a mean of production is not its "essence" but its social function. Rule of thumb: if you own something but someone else has to operate it, chances are it's a mean of production.

So, your very own laptop that you use to browse hentai sites is a personal belonging, not a mean of production. But the computer an employee of Ubisoft uses to develop the company's upcoming game is private property, a mean of production.

I like examples like this. Brainlet like me learns a lot this way. Thanks.

It's all about how you use it