Is The Democratic Party About To Be Replaced?

nobody will fall for this

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They think Bernie is enough to run a political party? This whole thing will collapse like occupy wallstreet

It's based on polls that show that he's the most popular politician in the United States.

So, yeah, I wouldn't say it's a bad bet.

I also live in the South. I've met dozens of people who are just openly communist post-Charlottesville. It's fucking beautiful, but also really confusing. Especially because the liberals are listening to our explanation of Trump and fascism and a lot are responding positively to our analysis.

What, you mean like, random liberals?

OWS fell apart once the media started aggressively bashing it, which started once some of the occupants began naming the Jew. (Go figure - the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧media🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 doesn't like that kind of thing). Bernie is himself Jewish, so I don't think this is a concern.

what?

most of the 1% are jewish dude

Not they arnt you dumb Holla Forumsyp

we know, faggot. now defend your post

No they aren't even the majority and that doesn't even relate, wtf do you mean "some of the occupants began naming the jew"?

I'll defend the statement but what site will you accept for a list of people to work off of?

is forbes acceptalbe?
cbsnews.com/pictures/richest-people-in-world-forbes/

Absolutely retarded

My brother in law is so spooked that he tried to blame the existence of Krocodil on gulags.

Stop letting Holla Forums derail the thread.

well I can't defend it until you tell me what sources you'll recognize, if you dont actually care man just say so

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No you are retarded because that 'source' is just a list of the 20 or so richest people in the world

There are ~800 million people in "The West" alone. 1% of a large number is still a large number. You absolute cretin.

I asked if Forbes was acceptable, I didn't even get a chance to do leg work before you guys lost your shit, chill out with your tism

If you think that just because the jews are over-represented proportionally to their population size means they are the masterminds, you fell for alphabet soup memes.

this still has nothing to do with what you actually said beforehand. I already said I'm aware many people of the 1% are Jews.

buddy, I said "most of the 1% are jewish dude"
meaning most of the wealthiest 1% are jewish
I didn't say anything about masterminds but rather wealth
why would you jump to that conclusion?

I missed that, I came in here

so you are not this guy then?

They aren't though even going off Holla Forumstard images

Oh wait you said the wealthiest 1% not the 1% in general. "Wealthiest 1%" is kind of subjective, you can cut the line anywhere you want can't you?

no sir

well then I apologize for that assumption

thats true, if it were the stats it may cut more in the jewish direction, my bad

Even assuming that's true, it's "ur a fuckin white mail" idpol, which is right-wing and, therefore, irrelevant to leftist causes.

Jews are a minority in the 1%

So? The ruling class isn't some kind of democratic institution which is under some obligation to accurately reflect the ethnic makeup of the populace. Most 1%ers are white Americans as well, while white Americans only represent 2%-3% of the global population.

well that sounds short sighted
tbh

So you ever stop to consider what exact species of cockroach it is that you're stepping on before you squash it?

No, probably not. All bourgeoisie get the gulag, their internal factions are meaningless to us.

>>>/reddit/

>>>/9gag/

I would hate to see you become an exterminator, you would be terrible at it

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Oh yeah, I'm sure I'd need to take special care of exactly what breed of pest I was blasting with poison before I blasted them with poison.

After all, what if I killed the "good" cockroaches? :^)

I'd rather see the GOP go the way of the Whigs, let the Dems become the establishment party and create a leftist party as the opposition.

Well, yea. If you wanted to get rid of aphids you wouldn't poison the ladybugs.

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good luck getting rid of the african crazy ants

We are the ladybugs in this analogy.

kek, that would make Holla Forums ants

shouldn't the person who produced the poison in the first place decide how it is used?

This would be optimal, but it's not going to happen. The GOP have garnered a following of crazies and dogmatists who aren't going anywhere.

Parties are dead and useless.

there is no poison that kills african crazy ants

We're the faction determined to destroy the bourgeoisie.

Once again, is there some ballooning popularity in anarchism that I'm unaware of?

this is why we need entrepreneurship to encourage innovation.

Shifting demographics, gerrymandering being challenged, an incompetent and unpopular President - I'd say there's reason for optimism for a GOP extinction.

top kek well played lad

Maybe, but Trump would need to really fuck up to drive away the party faithful.

wew
its a serious problem and the fucking african crazy ants are going to wipe out the crabs on the island they have invaded

kek

*determined
No one else even recognizes the bourgeoisie as a problem. The best the aut-right can do is foreign bourgeoisie are bad (but the national bourgeoisie are good guys :^))

Yes.

that's because nobody knows that that word means and you use it like everyone does

I usually only use it when talking to other commies.

When talking to normies, I usually say "capitalist class", "business class", "owner class", "1%", "bosses" etc, depending on the situation.

Proofs?

It begins

lol these ready timed enjoy might sir yet one since.

I think you guys need new terminology, I don't think that stuff is entry level enough tbh

People aren't idiots. They know what I'm talking about.

Was that word salad meant to mean something?

sure I do, but you're trying to convince the idiots that your way is best remember

No we're not.

The idiots are firmly in the reactionary camp.

Awesome! They'll spaghetti again like in cville and we'll finally wake up the rest of the country to the fascist menace!

then how do you expect to win?

Because idiots are a minority, at least within the realm of politics.

oh buddy
idiots still vote

Most of them are Anglo though.

Idiots will vote with whatever seems popular and sensational at the time. Otherwise, they're simpletons that vote one way without thinking and can't be reached regardless. In addition, "voting" isn't really our goal.

Idiots will vote with whatever seems popular and sensational at the time. Otherwise, they're simpletons that vote one way without thinking and can't be reached regardless. In addition, "voting" isn't really our goal.

Whoops doublepost

which is why popular acceptance of your belief would lead them to vote for your candidate accelerating your goals
but it is a means to achieving your goal that you are not pursuing

What we need is serious people to help our cause, not baby talk to the general populace in the hopes of appealing to the small sliver of the braindead population.

what do you mean serious people?

Reminder that 51% of millennials are against capitalism. If this shit can speak to my generation and get a higher turnout rate than the current two parties (2016 had unusually low turnout - Clinton got fewer votes than Romney did) then it's possible to win the popular vote. At that point though it's virtually guaranteed that the electoral college (composed of establishment goons) will serve their purpose and all vote for the Republican. And then everyone will see exactly how much of a sham US elections are (remember, the electoral college still chose Trump, and now they're going to override a popular movement?).

This is exactly how you use reform and/or electoral politics to show people that those things don't work and only revolution will.

being against capitalism and being against communism or socialism is not mutually exclusive

the workers want to be represented and Trump promised representation and jobs for the nation which had power to elect him

if you want to win the people you need to offer a better deal so that they chose you be it through voting or revolution

In order to have a big society like ours so people can have food, water, houses and other things, you needs to do lots of work. This work is too hard and too complicated for just one person to do, so people need to come together to make that work get done. In our society, this is called a "business". The problem, though, is that these businesses are all owned and controlled by a very small group of people who end up getting all the power and money. They then use this power and money to control the government, which then helps them get even more power and money and make the economy work for them at the expense of everyone else. For instance, they make the people give them all the wealth they produce with little in return. We want to stop this group of people by taking away their businesses, thus depriving them of their power and their money. We will then set up a system where the people who work at the businesses decide how to run it democratically and the general population gets to vote on how the economy should be run, instead of just a small group of owners.

Simple enough for you, Holla Forums?

no actually you're talking too much and they have to retain all that shit in their heads
you would be surprised how many people I speak to on the day to day that dont know what dropbox is or how it works or how to use a file path or what it even is

the get lost in the words as I try to describe it even in basic terms and it takes a minute for me to equate it to things they can understand

not imagine doing that on a macro scale with an ignorant populous and giving a speech where you have to explain the concepts to the people just so they can follow along, its no wonder hitler and the early commies handed out pamphlets and gave speeches focused on emotion to crowds

Come on Holla Forums

people have a hard time learning COMPLEX shit, abstracts and such

if they have a hard time grasping computer structures they'll probably have a hard time grasping power structures

hell I mentioned to like 3 people about the business with antifa getting labeled domestic terrorists yesterday and I had to describe what antifa was

honestly I don't think most people know the difference between the senate and congress or that they are 2 different things

You mean the Senate and House of Representatives. The Senate is a part of Congress.

yes
yes I do
I wont pretend to know much about it myself
just that senate and house had to both sign laws TPP and and I'm thankful it never got that far for the president to OK it before trump got elected

Trump is likely only going to enact a slightly different version of TPP. He's already on board with NAFTA.

yeah I'm not entirely sure where he's going to be honest
I'm just glad we don't have that shit like corps being able to sue countries for "cutting into potential profits" even if its delayed

Sanders was also promising people something better. That's why he was as popular as he was. If the DNC didn't prevent him from getting the nomination he would have been the nominee and probably the president. I'm not sure what your point is, but if it's something about people being reactionary and preferring the likes of Trump, that's based on the skewed reality produced by the government tampering with popular votes and movements. I feel like you only read the first sentence of that post.

OPERATION PRESIDENT DORE IS HAPPENING

sure I don't disagree with that, I didn't agree with the perspective that his supporters had but it was definitely better than Clinton, shame that the dems cared more about electing a woman than ideology and policy, would have liked a trump sanders battle
debatable
That being agaisnt capitolism does not mean they share your ideology, ie com, soc, ancap, ancom etc
reactionary is such a terrible word, it sounds like an insult in this context
that's because everything he wrote hinged on that first sentence

How did you know if you didn't fucking read it?

oh, I did
I'm sorry I was trying to convey that I focused on that because everything hinged on it

Anyone seen his show recently? I remember he was handed some Luxemburg and Marx by a fellow comrade. I wonder if he read it.

Obviously you didn't, because that was a minor part of the post. And it doesn't really matter what specific ideology people support. If they oppose capitalism they'll go with the reformist option in higher numbers.

or they could go statist

It is an insult. I know that some people have embraced the word, but it's implying that the person has no ideas of their own, they merely react to progress, seeking either to stop it or reverse it, but not move forward in any meaningful sense.

I have some bad news for you

Of course some people will fall for it, but that's the same old band of reactionaries who think everything is communism.

just admit you're wrong.

If a new party is formed, it will probably be a good thing even if it will just be a SocDem part, especially if it ignites panic from reactionaries. Anything that causes more chaos in America atm is a good thing

Any electoral politics is statist. The point is that by engaging in electoral politics and watching that fail, people will be disillusioned and start looking elsewhere. The main purpose of keeping out the like of Sanders is to postpone the realization that electoral politics is shit. If even someone who seems as much of an improvement as him is still not going to help, people will realize there's no solution in that method.

Fucking stupid. This exact type of strategy has been attempted many times in the last century and failed every single one. Join the Greens and use their infrastructure if you want to productively build an opposition strategy. I am really convinced this "People's Party" bullshit is a divide and conquer strategy.

Read
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1924–34)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1948)

New parties formed around cults of personality almost never have staying power. If these people really wanted to build a meaningful opposition to the interests of Goldman Sachs they would have joined the Greens or started ballot initiatives in their states to move to a voting system that can overcome Duverger's Law. Party factionalism is the death knell of any politics in the US as long as the latter remains the dominant force in elections.

thats a fine assumption that all change is good and without downside

The only good electoral parties are abstentionist

only in principal

Honestly, a dumb idea. If it helps with organizing, I'm all for it, but trying to create an organized Left into existence by starting a party will never work. It's usually the other way around. This is just premature. I mean 50000 petition sigs? Is that supposed to be impressive? It really shows that these people are just well-meaning but have limited connection to their communities

Divide who from whom, exactly?

that's a fine assumption that you can unsqueeze toothpaste

Hopefully it doesn't self detonate like the United Labor Party

No and fuck off, Holla Forumssmoker

On the one hand, I think the organizing efforts of Democratic socialists have been impressive. On the other hand, Democrats are already fucking rich and nothing us normal workers do can immediately change that absent a literal uprising

Uprisings don't happen overnight, you need a secure base. What the US needs right now is an SPA Mk.II.

How would we organize without the big brother meta data the Democratic party has? It's hard enough organizing when you're targeting people, I can't begin to guess how you would do it without the database

Honestly this is perfect to make trump Le reelection, divide the liberals from the leftists and destroy their power coalition. without the liberals being supported by the leftists they will get more rabid and create reactionaries that along with the nationalists will work to empower the republican base against the splintered force.
How utterly perfect.

you propagandize in all directions.

We already didn't have the resources, why don't you just burn money and shoot volunteers while you're at it

Democratic Cops of America is by far the best shot the American left has at the moment. Unless they go full socjus bullshit, they deserve all help.

Reminder that the top 8 of that list own half of the world's wealth.

Those aren't even the richest people. Forbes lists the top 20 people who made that wealth. The actual list of wealthiest people, including total capital of all solid assets, barely ever gets printed.

Having shitloads of cash doesn't mean shit if you're incompetent.

Their big brother meta data couldn't get them to win against an racist orange clown. It doesn't mean shit. Politics isn't some big equation.

The liberals were going to betray us sometime.

That's not who we're going for. We want to capture the disenfranchised masses. Remember, if "did not vote" was a candidate, they would have won in a landslide.

Sex and drugs party when?