Military Parades

I actually read Marx.

He said in the critique of the Gotha programme that lower stage communism is stateless and has labour vouchers, which leads to the abolishion of the law of value.

oh right, of course, i remember that part, just quote it to make sure we're not both mistaken right now…

take your time, no pressure
maybe we have to read the whole thing again, huh?

You're a fucking bootlicker in red.

What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges. Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society – after the deductions have been made – exactly what he gives to it. What he has given to it is his individual quantum of labor. For example, the social working day consists of the sum of the individual hours of work; the individual labor time of the individual producer is the part of the social working day contributed by him, his share in it. He receives a certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of labor cost. The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another.

Here, obviously, the same principle prevails as that which regulates the exchange of commodities, as far as this is exchange of equal values. Content and form are changed, because under the altered circumstances no one can give anything except his labor, and because, on the other hand, nothing can pass to the ownership of individuals, except individual means of consumption. But as far as the distribution of the latter among the individual producers is concerned, the same principle prevails as in the exchange of commodity equivalents: a given amount of labor in one form is exchanged for an equal amount of labor in another form.

Hence, equal right here is still in principle – bourgeois right, although principle and practice are no longer at loggerheads, while the exchange of equivalents in commodity exchange exists only on the average and not in the individual case.

In spite of this advance, this equal right is still constantly stigmatized by a bourgeois limitation. The right of the producers is proportional to the labor they supply; the equality consists in the fact that measurement is made with an equal standard, labor.

But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural muh privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right. Right, by its very nature, can consist only in the application of an equal standard; but unequal individuals (and they would not be different individuals if they were not unequal) are measurable only by an equal standard insofar as they are brought under an equal point of view, are taken from one definite side only – for instance, in the present case, are regarded only as workers and nothing more is seen in them, everything else being ignored. Further, one worker is married, another is not; one has more children than another, and so on and so forth. Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, right, instead of being equal, would have to be unequal.

But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged after prolonged birth pangs from capitalist society. Right can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby.

In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly – only then then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!

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The question then arises: What transformation will the state undergo in communist society? In other words, what social functions will remain in existence there that are analogous to present state functions? This question can only be answered scientifically, and one does not get a flea-hop nearer to the problem by a thousand-fold combination of the word 'people' with the word 'state'.

Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

Gee im sorry I dont have quotations memorised like a fucking autist.

took you long enough to google it
now you should actually read and understand it and stop being a retarded faggot

Fuck you mate, I did read and understand it, cant say the same for you when Marx explicitly says money is not part of lower stage communism exactly because it keeps in place the law of value and thus the rule of capital and thus capitalism.

i mean, it's even written in the last sentence, you couldn't even have missed it, and yet you say

i mean
how retarded can you get? how much out of your ass and ignorant to the shit you yourself just quoted can you be?
is this some kind of joke or is the joke you?

quote this very sentence now and let's go through with this word for word to make you faggot say it yourself how utterly retarded and lacking of reading comprehension you are, it's way more fun when you fuck yourself over

Lower stage communism is NOT dictatorship of the proletariat. Lower stage communism comes after DOtP.

You have capitalism and communism. Lower stage communism is communism, thats why he called it lower stage communism.
Between that, there is the revolution. In that period, the state cannot be anything but the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Oh right, forgot to explain to your tankiebrain what this means:
During DOtP the way productive forces are organised to be under direct control by the worker. This means that if the state cant be anything else than doing the above, that after it has done that, its job is done and it seizes to exist.

It makes me sad to think that in a few years all of the people who saved us from Germany are going to be gone.

Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.

this is what marx says on what communism means. DotP is lower stage communism.

furthermore you are not quoting. have some more from the critique you are pretending to "refer" to:
What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges.

furthermore ignoring the requested quote and jumping the topic instead, failing miserably yet again.
is this you already trying hard? maybe killing yourself would be less of a hassle and you could actually succeed for once without embarrassing yourself. or are you too retarded to do that too?

MARX LITTERALLY SAID THEY ARE SEPERATE THINGS, AND COMMUNISM AS A MOVEMENT IS NOT COMMUNISM AS AN ENDGOAL.
HOW HARD IS THIS TO GRASP.

gg

Yeah, I love them, my admiration for the military of these countries is one of the things that made me want to study their ideology more, in fact
Also, its always nice to see the massive butthurt of the anarkids in these threads

So what, you are against communists owning weapons?

Talk about heroes.

Attendance of military parades under state socialism will be MANDATORY, unless you are disabled, over the age of 75, or have already been conscripted into the military. Deal with it.

A sixteen-year old German anti aircraft soldier of the Hitler Youth, Hans-Georg Henke, taken prisoner in the state of Hessen, Germany. He was a member of the Luftwaffe anti-air squad who burst into tears as his world crumbled around him. His father died in 1938 but when his mother died in 1944 leaving the family destitute, Hans-Georg had to find work in order to support the family. At 15 years of age he joined the Luftwaffe.

And? Hope he died or got taken prisoner.

clearly he's a victim of circumstance

every iteration of it has failed and you tards still delude yourselves that your magical version will appear and be perfect.

It just has to be better than capitalism.

So what? Everyone is. That doesn't change the historical duty of communists.

The killing of lowly soldiers for petty bloodlustly revenge is anti communist. The showing of compassion to lowly soldiers and their guarantee of not being harmed but only taken prisoner will break the support for the enemy army and will persuade the soldiers both from "fighting for their life" and make them more likely to defect.

I don't know some were kind of dull, soldiers not really enthusiastic about being there.

I said I "hope he died or got taken prisoner." Stop willfully misinterpreting what people say you fascist sympathizer.

Wishing death upon the proletariat of the world, even if they are forced to shoot at you, is anti-communist. Our goal should be proletarian liberation, not proletarian extermination.

lol what do you want them to do, grin while marching and singing?
Also go listen to the GDR anthem lyrics. The whole purpose of the GDR goverment was to crush the fascism out of the East Germans. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them felt a little cucked, but they deserved it.

>hope he died or got taken prisoner
Kill yourself retard.

After the war he joined the Communist Party and lived in the DDR.

You still said you hope he died. Im not going to just ignore your retardation.

i hope you die or get taken prisoner

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If that's even true, I don't see how that contradicts anything I said.

the communist manifesto was the worst thing to happen to communism tbqh

No

Different person en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Henke

rarehistoricalphotos.com/hans-georg-henke-16-year-old-german-soldier-crying/

I have watched this one in full. I like the repetitive question-answer format when Xi does the drive-by, it adds an element of interaction between the Supreme Leader and the troops that you don't have if he's just standing on a podium observing the parade.
youtube.com/watch?v=tF4kVqsfA5s

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the leftcom makes a good point in thread otherwise populated by braindead tankies

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All of the states you have showed in your pictures have failed except for North Korea but they're about to get BTFO by Uncle Sam.

Cuba hasn't failed
also
kek, keep telling yourself that Yankee scum

t. a virgin leftcom who never got out of his armchair for 15 years

And you're happy one of the only countries that doesn't have a central bank is going to be invaded?

Figures, I always knew Holla Forums was deepstate.

For fuck sake, the whole point of "putting military first" policy is to withdraw the state from industry and agriculture
Look at a documentary about Pyongyang, dozens of private business have started here, and in the countryside they have more or less reverted communal and collective farming.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbun