The Alt-Right doesn't understand Genetics

Someone upload it to PewTube.

Sargon's getting on the bandwagon too.

No he isn't he is actually showing how basically all the sources the article he is debunking are using are either sociological and not biological or are just flat out non sequitors.

It really doesn't matter what this G*rman Jew thinks about the role of genetics in human differences. The Chinese take it very seriously, so we'll find out the correct answer sooner or later.

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Of course he is, he knows that if normies ever get tired of their shit he's the first on the chopping block.
But he still had to throw in a reference to SJWs to let his fans know he hasn't truly abandoned the, just going crypto until the storm passes.

Like I said, maybe it'll turn out that everything is socio-cultural and caused by capitalism, and all the Chinese were wasting their time. Sucks to be them!

Suck my cock dude

Why do right wingers get so triggered when a le rational skeptic man doesn't pick their side?

I'm pretty okay with Thunderf00t.

Where?

He believes that the biological take on race is neoliberal because it is in line with promoting immigration, which is important for neoliberals go cut down wages domestically and to incite class division.

Somebody should make webms of useful parts of the video…

do not trust
will not give views

This guy is a blatant woman hater/transphobe. If he thinks pointing out the obvious truth about race being a social construct will absolve him of hatred he's more retarded than the white supremacists he is trying to bring down.

Why don't we add bucket loads of like bots to the video, like those fucktards are doing to us with dislikes!

I tried using HTML in the comment section. It didn't work.

No he’s a liberal.

Call me crazy but I don’t think the “le rational skeptics” are just trying to make money.I think they believe in what they say.

You think these people are smart? Or know what they're talking about?
They regurgitate other peoples work, and literally professionalize on contrarianism with confirmation bias.

However, Kraut and Tea wasn't Alt-Right until Milo said he was, and he assumed what alot of the Kekistani Neckbeards thought it was, which was just anti-Islam.

These people are pundits, they say what they say for effect and attention, their Patreons are through the roof, I mean, if I could make one video a week and get payed 1300 - 3300 and in Lauren Southerns case, 17000 a month, I'd do it.

I'd be a disingenous asshole.

A lot of the "rational skeptics" aren't nearly as bad as the people who decided to follow them for their debunking of SJWism.

Sure, some of them varied in quality, but a lot of them didn't push views that were terribly "alt right" or even the beginning of it. Sure, Holla Forums loved them for their refutations of feminists and the like, but they weren't analyzing the alt-right claims and narratives because they really weren't being that open with them, mostly confining their views to certain sites and just linking to the videos they liked. As long as the opposition was wrong, that must mean that the things they hate are right, right? The rational skeptics are turning on them because, quite frankly, they never supported their retarded worldviews in the first place.

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I meant to type ignor. My phone autocorrected this shit.

Proofs?

I'm the first person you quoted.
I don't think they're as ideologically invested in the bullshit they spew as they rally their audience to be, but seen that their livelihood depends on the continued existence of the (porky) status quo, they actually came to align with libertarian beliefs as they have every interest in keeping the overton window as far away from leftist positions as possible.

I deleted my comment to this post, because I thought you were talking shit about the well researched video. Carry on!

If you deny human biodiversity you're pretty much a creationist.

If you deny historical materialism you're pretty much a creationist

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stay geisted my friend

Didn't Patreon fuck Lauren Southern off?

Kraut was always better than the other "rational skeptics" on YouTube.

His avatar makes me cringe though.

Typical.

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Should we start having "Race Realism Debunking" threads on this place? I have a bunch of shit refuting Rushton, Lynn, and the rest of the race realist "scholars" that I've been waiting to dump but I've been lazy about it.

Judge people by their merits, not the color of their skin. It's not too late to have a change of heart, nazi poster.

They did, but she literally asked for money to break the law and start a criminal enterprise.
No way they'll do shit for some nazi apologetics in a youtube video.

(you)

start a thread. it would be useful to have it all in one place

where do you think you are?

don't bother with lysenkoists lmao

heh

Start it.

Do it my man. Maybe we could have it stickied or something.

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Not an argument.

When did we get

an easily filterable nazi tripfag

That's genius, please brand all of them with a trip

are you going to posit something or what? Or do I have to bring something to the table?

I don't think people should be sent to gulag or blacklisted for taking interest in a subject and perhaps researching it at any academic level. It's gotten so bad that James watson was blacklisted and shamed for stating simple facts - note that he made no claim as to the cause of such facts.

REEEEE muh safe space

I didn't catch that. Did somebody reply to me?

I'm positing that "Race" as a biological category is reductive. Educate yourself, faggot: youtube.com/watch?v=teyvcs2S4mI

You don't know how genetics work

he's clearly mixed meat. Do you know how mendalian inheritance works?

Keep in mind the argument that race realists are genetic determinists is a stretch, there is no reason that sociological, psychological and biological factors could not work together in a superstructure both informing behavior and ability.

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

Watch the full video, bitch nigga

youtube.com/watch?v=uHp5DKJZVE0
And here is the response from one of the guys he is criticizing. He is not happy about Kraut attacking arguments he never made.

This place didn't debunk it years ago when I first saw polyps bring those arguments here and you won't debunk them now. I remember some guys even had their beliefs challenged ad changed because they couldn't debunk "race realism".

Wat

yeah it's hard to debunk something when its proponents are people who wouldn't say they were fucked even after a getting a train run on them

i did, I'm onto the second one. the video maker has several assumptions. in both videos. I'm glad he made a critical attempt though.

For example his lack of knowledge about the propagation of genes (mendalian inheritence) is betrayed when he assumes that distinct populations blend evenly - this is not the case. Secondly he assumes that populations were not separated for an extended period of time, genes cannot move over substantial geographic barriers in any meaningful sense. Thirdly to compound this humans can defy natural selection with intelligent selection, for example it only took 60 generations of silver foxes for them to be domesticated by Russias, dogs only took a few thousand years. There's no reason as to why humans do not intelligently select amongst themselves considering approximately only half the male population has reproduced .

also that lewinton fallacy bullshit can fuck right off, it's exactly that, bullshit.

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There have been citation fights on here that went on for hours - in one case even days - all of which ended in the same way: both sides citing increasingly obscurer and more fringe sources up until giving up and chewing out the other side.

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Kraut is a moron.

Race war is retarded and demented. Class war and anti relgion is the true way.

Feelz > realz my dude

His arguments are faulty and he already got a few decent replies, like: youtube.com/watch?v=uHp5DKJZVE0

^This. Glad someone actually gets it.

Thank you

I mean he calls himself brainlet I'm pretty sure he gets best medal at being the worst troll

This video is not very good.
Kraut and Tea focuses on heterozygosity to disprove the idea of human races in terms of subspecies, but avoids discussing fixation index distance which is the better measure, despite showing an image of a comparison chart of it during the video (demonstrating that he clearly knew that it was in the article).
He also seems to not understand that the reason that there is no mathematical correlation with either measure is that subspecies are split up somewhat arbitrarily. The point that the article was obviously trying to make is that scientists clearly find the use of more than one subspecies category for species with a decently sized fixation index distance as resourceful (with the absolute exact amount that ends being largely irrelevant due to its arbitrary nature), and hence should also be applied to humans due their decently sized fixation index distance.
This failure to understand what term "subspecies" actually means leads to the end of the video containing absolute bullshit, such as donkeys being a subspecies of horses, and that different subspecies mating don't typically produce fertile offspring (this typically happens with different species mating though).
I don't think you understand genetics either OP.

This person speaks the truth

It's basically a usage of a false argument to debunk the claims of idiots, and those idiots are foolish enough to accept defeat since they can't argue back
It's the EQUIVALENT of Holla Forums using debates against idiots who identify as socialists to claim that socialism is wrong

Is this a FUCKING JOKE? He's wrong from the first sentence. Sub species can mate, this guy has lost his mind.

Are the normies waking up?

This is a screenshot from that video
It might indeed be a good propaganda technique, but I doubt it, it just screams cringe
Why do all "rationalists" do this?

Why do socialists want to make a revolution impossible? Work on the basis of homogeneity first before facing the problem even the Russians faced (and gulag'd). Whether you believe it's a 'spook' or not it is the problem of our time. All you need is the white populated nations and the rest follows. All you will get on the current trends are ethnic violence. Fucking retarded whether you believe it's a spook or not.

Just skip to 27:14
This guy is retarded

because they fetishize "science"
of course, only when it says things they agree with

I bet he thinks Zebras are also a subspecies of horse. Man he spent two months on this and talked to two scientists about it and he still gets something this basic wrong.

my fucking god youtube.com/user/fringeelements/videos

The alternative hypothesis is fringe elements? Holy fuck that guy went down the hole. I used to listen to fringe in his libertarian days, and he started to go super race realist at some point.

I'm fine with him if he is genuinely serious about cleaning up his act. People do deserve another chance. Everyone is capable of going down some pretty stupid paths when they're young and naive.

Didn't watch the video because of the eyerape SFX

So what was this video about?

By being completely wrong and getting btfo by the altright? I looked at that guys comments and his own users are calling him retarded.

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i like how the likes and dislikes went up from 1k-1k to 3-4k from yesterday, but the view count hasn't changed since yesterday. XD Someone better screen capture this shit! XD

if that doesn't say there's bots in the work, i don't know what does.

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Doesn't understand biology or what a subspecies.

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You have to be honest though. At least Holla Forums has a cute girl. Who do we have on our side? Muke?

Do you understand what subspecies is? It sounds like your imbreed redneck brain is having a hard time grasping it! SUBSPECIES CAN'T BREED! If they could breed, they wouldn't be a subspecies. breeding cancels out bad traits like poor craniel compacity.

let's not forget Holla Forums started out for pedos and animal fuckers before leftists came here.

Now i know why skeptics and aut right hide behind Western philosophers and roman/greek statue avatars.

I'm 100% sure it didn't happen this way. But especially because I like Holla Forums and I don't want to be associated w/ pedos and animal fuckers.

Subspecies can breed you fucking retard. Even subspecies of humans have bred in the past. Ever heard of Neanderthals?

Definition of subspecies
:  a subdivision of a species: such as
a :  a category in biological classification that ranks immediately below a species and designates a population of a particular geographic region genetically distinguishable from other such populations of the same species and CAPABLE OF INTERBREEDING successfully with them where its range overlaps theirs
b :  a named subdivision (such as a race or variety) of a taxonomic species
c :  subgroup 1 a political subspecies

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subspecies

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Feel free to link to a medical journal and to explain Neanderthals

it literally would've taken you less than thirty minutes to go on wikipedia and find a list of open-source biological medical journals from a university whos tested these ideas with science. i cannot believe the alt-right is this stupid.

Why don't you do it yourself you lazy fucking redneck!

i'm waiting…

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biology_journals

Wikipedia also says they are capable of interbreeding

Are you defending the outright nonsense in the OP video? From the first line he is wrong

A taxonomist decides whether to recognize a subspecies or not. A common way to decide is that organisms belonging to different subspecies of the same species are capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring, but they do not usually interbreed in nature due to geographic isolation, sexual selection, or other factors. The differences between subspecies are usually less distinct than the differences between species

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspecies

i don't care what wikipedia says! i gave a list of scientific journals on biology and you're still being fucking lazy!

Stop shilling.

No you are being lazy, I have no responsibility to make your arguments for you. If there is a biology journal that provides a definition of subspecies where in they cannot breed I would like to see it. If not fuck off.

i don't care what wikipedia says! the reason i gave ypu the medical journals were so you can go outside of wikipedia! any dumb-ass can going into wikipedia and type some random shit! You know how many people vandalized wikipedia over the years user! GO TO A MEDICAL JOURNAL SOURCED FROM A UNIVERSITY WHERE THEY TEST THESE IDEAS WITH SCIENCE! I GAVE YOU FUCKING LIST NOT A WEBSITE!

This thread sucks.

If you need a fucking journal to tell you sub species can mate you should stop asking for anymore information, you are retarded.

Yeah so link to what is relevant to the question at hand, don't provide an assload of databases which you need to pay to use and expect me to look through it for something to prove YOU right.

A big problem with research related to genetics and human group differences is that there are a fair number of prominent Jewish researchers in the field, and some of said Jewish scientists have a tendency to lie in order to promote non-hereditarian worldviews. The reasoning behind this is that wholesale acceptance of Darwinism here leads to eugenics, which inevitably leads to the Holocaust, a view which began to coalesce in the 1960s with the opening of the Holocaust Museum in the US.

For instance, you can read Robert Trivers on Stephen Jay Gould and Richard Lewontin, both prominent Jewish biologists who were, in general, opposed to hereditarian views on human group differences: unz.com/article/vignettes-of-famous-evolutionary-biologists-large-and-small/#stephen-jay-gould
Of course you can't leave out cultural anthropology here, largely the brainchild of another prominent Jew, Franz Boas.

Interestingly, even Jews on the radical left like Trotsky, Emma Goldman, etc. were in favor of eugenics, and the Jewish people actually have a long history with eugenics, which you can read about here: whatwemaybe.org/txt/txt0000/Glad.John.2011b.Jewish_Eugenics.pdf

This might seem outlandish, but consider that we're here on Holla Forums where everyone considers basically every paper published in the major economics journals to be a lie perpetuated by elements of the bourgeoisie to perpetuate the continued subjugation of the proletariat and preserve their class power. Why can't Jewish elements collaborate to lie in the biology literature?

Kraut should start spamming "Not an argument." in his vid's comment section like Stefan Molyneux in reply to all the alt-retards calling him a cuck.

Ain't it funny how the froggots will eat you alive and le rational skeptics™ will piss themselves and watch if you ever take on the far-right?

worldcat.org/title/biology-of-reproduction/oclc/439605648
There! I made it easier for you! If you want i can hold your hand like a baby, and show you exactly where it says your wrong!

At least I admit that hereditarianism is a valid explanation for group differences and not some sort of nazi conspiracy.

No we don't.

You're being disingenuous, if you are 100% sure you are right it would take less effort to just show us we are wrong directly, rather than continuing to shitpost and tell us to look it up.

You're definitely in the minority on the radical left.

Congratulations, you finally have your very own grifter instead of everyone of leftist Twitter.

He's not that bad, he came out against Trump and Brexit despite the butthurt of much of his fanbase

Why should i go all the way to the college library just to read something i already read because you want to take shortcuts in learning!

Well to me it just seems like you're wrong

This retard is trying say humans can't be a sub species, by saying sub species cannot mate.He was meant to be 'on the right side of an easy win, but clearly fucked up and made a fool of himself.

Finally he's out of bullshit arguements!

it's not my fault these books aren't readily available online, oh wait, it's your fault. the right doesn't want education to be paid by tax money. So really, who's wromg here?

I have already provided definitions of subspecies, you did not agree with the sources I provided. Rather, than providing a contradictory source you merely posted a list of databases and told me to look it up. If you were correct you could just show where one provides a different definition and then the discussion would be over and I would be wrong. You haven't done so, so my conclusion is that you have no such definition and are therefore wrong.

No book is needed, an adult knows this from observation. Prove they cannot mate, and you are correct, otherwise stop making a fool of yourself.

your point? Are you incapable of finding something that doesn't only require a quick google search. why should i baby you?

Why should I believe you?

anyone who posts on Holla Forums is a retard and should kill themselves.

There I solved the race issue.

I think it's going to turn out to be not as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be. From the way people talk about the race-intelligence controversy you'd think the only possible outcome is either a vindication of blank-slatism or of hardcore racial determinism.

I'd be surprised if there were NO genetic differences in Autism Level, but I also don't necessarily expect them to be huge. Even Rushton, darling of the far right, estimated the black-white Autism Level gap to be about half genetic IIRC (so about 7 points. Which is sizeable but not massive. I believe there are certain groups of whites as far apart in Autism Level).

If it turns out that the genetic component of the black-white Autism Level gap is, say, 3 points, the hereditarians will have been technically correct that there are inherent differences in intelligence between blacks and whites, but it'll be a rather empty victory since such a difference is small enough to be more or less inconsequential.

I suppose advances in genetics will clear it all up soon enough.

You didn't ask for my opinions on the entire controversy but there they are anyway.

i went to school with all white kids and they all bullied me. the only person who didn't was the black guy, and I'm white! I got treated like shit, they're the same color as me. and when i went to a multi-cultural college i encountered bullying only by the white fuckers! You want my observation! I think my own race are bullies! so fuck off!

You deserved it for being retarded

I'd be 7 points lower too if i contantly got treated like subhuman.

My Autism Level is 134 on point. If anyones the retard here it's you.

Replaces i q with autism. fucking brilliant.

And the Chinese and Jews were beloved eh

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You'd think that, but there's actually not very good evidence for it, provided you don't have a severe nutritional deficiency. Lots of Asian Americans grew up in shit conditions and nonetheless turned out fine. There's not even good evidence for early-childhood educational interventions having much of an effect in the long run.

Think about it. If we could just educate Blacks into being smarter, wouldn't we have done it by now? Black America is a big financial black hole. In what universe does it make sense for the bourgeoisie to intentionally keep blacks down, financially? If it's to perpetuate class divisions, so that the bourgeoisie are spending money to keep ethnic conflicts going in order to prevent class consciousness from rising, doesn't this indirectly validate nazbols?

There's not even good evidence for a correlation between poverty and crime, at least in the US. The best predictor of crime in American cities is % Black, I believe.

Funny story, the Parsis occupy a similar social role in India to the Jews in Europe or the Chinese diaspora, but the Indians like the Parsis. Really puts a hole in the Jewish narrative of oppression.

What is: Neural Plasticity

The chinese are a nation almost exclusively made up of chinese people. when they got out of the hole the didn't have to worry about being bullied based on skin color, because every the people in china are ussually all the same skin color.

They were peasants ffs, who moved to America.

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IIRC there's some evidence the B-W gap has shrunken by a third or so. ~15 points to ~10 points, which would be a sizable reduction (unfortunately still pretty large).

He was against Trump because he a nazi and opposed Brexit because of muh science grants. With the former he swallowed everything the media cooked up whole and with the latter he was worried about his own job security. Understanding people is not his strong suit, he should stick to hard science and debunking bogus inventions which is what he is good at.

the difference is the chinese came here for a better life. black people never asked to be here. we dragged them from their rightful homes to turn them into cotton pickers and fighting dogs. you tell me how comparing them to the chinese is fair.

I don't think things like the Autism Level gap are a big deal. They're just averages. I do lean more towards hardcore genetic determinism, but there's still a lot of work going on in the field. Unfortunately, if not for Jewish influence and hysteria over hereditarianism, we probably would probably be decades ahead of where we are now.

There are also intelligence differences between groups of whites, yes. The Hajnal line is a useful concept here. There's also plenty of variation in (heritable) personality traits between different parts of different nations. This actually goes a long way towards explaining the backwardness of Appalachia in the US - it was predominantly settled by Scots-Irish, who were known for being especially warlike and hostile to schooling.

With that said, the Autism Level gap is a bit of an overblown issue among racialists. It's really just part of the problem. Most racialist animosity is directed towards Blacks, with some degree of justification, since Black violence is insane compared to basically any group on the planet. As much as Europeans complain about the Arab immigrants, they really have nothing on Blacks in terms of violence - Islam is a big part of the problem here. In my experience, "cultural Muslims" are fine people.

also becoming a culture of fighting dogs and cotton pickers to intellectuals is very fucking far frpm easy. years would not even begin to fix that shit.

And made them the richest black country on earth by gdp.

No other blacks dragged them from their homes and took them to their home where they were put in a slave market. Then 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Anglo🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 slave traders bought them and either shipped them to the Americas or, like they did with the majority of slaves 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧they🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 bought, shipped them to Arabia.

By the time it's proven we'll just edit Jewish Autism Level into everyone's babies, wew.

White people own slaves even within africa. that's why when we left africa it turned to shit. it's hard not to see the connection between breeding other humans like fighting dogs and the destruction of a continent.

The bourgeoisie are always trying to cut taxes. A lot of tax dollars go towards caring for black people. It would save the bourgeoisie money to not have to care for black people as much.

The Chinese worked on the railroads and lived in pretty shit conditions. Still, they turned out rather well. Almost everywhere you go in the world, where a high concentration of blacks can be found, things go to shit, unless they're being ruled by whites or Chinese. For example, Jamaicans actually want the British crown back, apparently. Crime has gone up a whole lot under self-rule. Same story in Rhodesia, South Africa, etc. as bad as things like apartheid seem, the alternative might be worse.

Not sure what to make of this. Is it reflected in test scores? We have had an influx of talented Nigerian immigrants who might be skewing the statistics a bit. Tests like the SAT have also been getting less g-loaded over time, presumably to make them easier so as to improve diversity in colleges.

Black African/Caribbean friends of mine from college were basically baffled by black Americans. They didn't understand why they were complaining about racism when, in their view, there was hardly any, and they were lucky enough to be in the US. Of course, lots of black Africans come from places where bloody tribal conflicts are the order of the day.

Lots of the slave traders were actually Jewish.

as a result of us invading their homeland. if you had a gun pointed to your head, i'd say selling slaves is pretty good bargain for not getting killed. they were backed into a corner and they still managed to think thereselves out of it. if that isn't a testimate to their intellegence i don't know what is.

What the fuck? We didn't go near the majority of the continent until relatively recently. The American Blacks are offset by having bred with white people, the reason for the higher I.Q.

Isn't the "welfare" system over in america made up of only food stamps? Like the bare minimum needed for survival?

Oh behave they are as brutal and tribal as any race, maybe even moreso. Drop the noble savage nonsense. They were slaving before we even had boats.

No you faggot.

Africans had been enslaving each other since the dawn of time, just as Romans had been enslaving Europeans.

The Atlantic Slave trade created incentives for african rulers to wage war and capture slaves but it didn't start it.

we went in there with old-world guns. they didn't need to be outnumbered.

again. they weren't armed.

Blacks don't earn much money, so they're eligible for a lot of welfare benefits and subsidies, like food stamps, section 8 housing, subsidized medical care, subsidized higher education, etc.

There are also secondary costs - you need to spend a lot more on policing because of Black violence, for instance. You can survive fine on welfare, actually, one of the problems with it is that it has perverse incentives that actually encourage you NOT to work, because you'll earn less at the end of the day if you do. Welfare plantations, indeed…

No shit, they didn't even have a calendar ffs.

i'd like you to have only swords and knives and stand up to people holding powder rifles.

That's a complete lie. The most PC reason is a power vacuum will result in shit 99% of the time. Watch Africa Addio, it was filmed during the decolonization. The whole ruling class of Africa left back then, leaving the countries to people who had absolutely no idea how to manage it. Add to that greed and rivalry and of course it turned into shit. You can't even fully blame Europe for leaving since the natives didn't want us there. They got what they asked for.
Negroes breed naturally. Whites didn't engineer them.

Europe couldn't fully subdue African resistence until the invention of the machine gun, Colonialism wasn't White people gunning everyone down into submission, it was dividing and conquering the local populace through alliances and trade, that's how it went in South America, North America, Africa and Asia.
The Portuguese were given Ports in China and India without any fighting, as well as peaceful catholic missionaires in Japan for decades.

the egyptians had a calendar. they were black. they didn't have the resources.

Embarrassing comment.

you're embarassing tbh.

WE WUZ

american southerners infamously made bets on black men to kill each other. are you delusional?

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FUCK YOU! I JUST TOLD YOU TO GET A MEDICAL JOURNAL AND YOU FUCKING USED GOOGLE AGAIN! THIS ISN'T SCIENCE, IT'S FAKE NEWS! WTF IS EVEN MAIL ONLINE!

Do you have brain problems?

What researchers? what university? do you idiots ever ask questions?

please stop replying to yourself

MY I Q IS 134! YOUR THE ONE WHO KEEPS GETTING YOUR INFORMATION OFF OF GOOGLE!

Let's be fair: not a lot of peoples have reached high civilization independently. Even most of Europe needed a boost from the Greco-Romans to get beyond thatched huts and petty tribalism.

It's in the fucking article niggers: nature.com/articles/ncomms15694
Verena J. Schuenemann1, 2 n1, Alexander Peltzer3, 4 n1, Beatrix Welte1, W. Paul van Pelt5, Martyna Molak6, Chuan-Chao Wang ORCID: orcid.org/0000-0001-9628-03074, Anja Furtwängler1, Christian Urban1, Ella Reiter1, Kay Nieselt ORCID: orcid.org/0000-0002-1283-70653, Barbara Teßmann7, Michael Francken1, Katerina Harvati1, 2, 8, Wolfgang Haak4, 9, Stephan Schiffels ORCID: orcid.org/0000-0002-1017-91504 & Johannes Krause1, 2, 4
Institute for Archaeological Sciences, University of Tübingen
Senckenberg Centre for Human Evolution and Palaeoenvironment, University of Tübingen
Integrative Transcriptomics, Center for Bioinformatics, University of Tübingen
Department for Archaeogenetics, Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History
Division of Archaeology, University of Cambridge
Museum and Institute of Zoology, Polish Academy of Sciences
Berlin Society of Anthropology, Ethnology and Prehistory
DFG Centre for Advanced Studies ‘Words, Bones, Genes, Tools: Tracking Linguistic, Cultural and Biological Trajectories of the Human Past’, University of Tübingen
School of Biological Sciences, The University of Adelaide
Do you ever look for answers?

Dude they were enslaving and eating each other long before a European set foot in sub Saharan Africa.

ALL CAPS TO SHOW HOW IMPORTANT MY SITPOST IS

The europeans were eating and killing each other when the migrated to america. your point?

Are we on Holla Forums?

your going to tell me a site called nature.com is a reputable source for information. stop taking shortcuts and get a biology textbook!

Kind of.

:)

So what? The Romans did that with everyone.

Hey faggot, how about rather than complaining about other peoples sources you post ones which show how they are wrong

It wasn't socially acceptable. Europe never had human meat markets.

Why is it always about black people?

Amerindians got screwed about 100x times worse but we don't get a 10th of the attention.

True that's probably in large part because most of us are dead, but still.

You aren't intersectional enough. Also Hitler thought you were Aryans so you are pretty much screwed.

africans disn't have meat markets either! no matter what i do you just keep pulling lies out of your ass! i can't help you!

You'd get the impression that most reactionaries on the internet specialize in african history and anthropology over any other topic. If we "solved" the issue of race(arguably only BLACKS, because the right obsess over blacks), the right wing would vanish over night because they have NO other substantive points to survive on.

your the one who doesn't want to pay for a biology textbook to learn the truth.

Nazi racial ideology changed like every other week.

This.

Reams of paper have been spent on the subject of black intelligence and whatnot, and comparatively nothing on, say, hispanics or arabs.

Well according the accounts of European explorers into Negroland( the Congo, Sudan, Niger) that is what they reported.

You could have just said 'the Congo, Sudan, and Niger' and saved yourself several characters but you couldn't resist the urge to LARP as an 18th century naturalist so you said 'Negroland'.

Makes you think.

There are more black people, and slavery and civil rights were a huge issue for so long.

because blacks are really badly behaved compared to other ethnicities. even Arabs aren't so bad if they can be de-Islamized successfully. Also, a lot of racialist thought originates in the US so it will always be US-style racism, as in, black vs. non-black.

You don't understand biological anthropology, blacks are not a subspecies, and your understanding of biology is middle-school tier.

prove it

Plantation owners gambling on slave fights is not the same as engaging in selective breeding of america's slave population. Besides that those slave fights were like Roman gladiatorial matches, violent but rarely if ever to the death, that would be a waste of an investment.

anyone who posts on an image board is a retard and should kill themselves.

they're banned from life

There I solved the race issue.

That is what the area was called when the expeditions took place. The Congo, Sudan and Niger didn't exist yet. They just called it Negroland because it was full of Negros.

The European powers never even properly left the continent, France still has a military presence in it's former colonies and do the same shit America did in central america by funding dictators and letting foreign companies run the government.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/

There I just solved the question thank me later

In conclusion, Homo Sapiens Sapiens are Homo Sapiens Sapiens, and different subspecies would be far far more visible than just subtle differences. Such is the case with simians.

Within the genera Homo there's plenty of genetic diversity, all of which is currently extinct except for Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

It's because y'all are so dead that the rest of the country just ignores you.

Come by Canada, where Natives are 5% of the pop instead of 1%. All the subspecies/ghetto savage bs gets thrown at them over here.

Euros had a real weird habit of collecting corpses and rending human fat from them for various purposes. The Incans were fucking horrified and the Peruvian boogeyman is a white skinned man who collects children and boils them in a pot.

Anyways, quit pretending that euros can't be gross/degenerate.

Just call it West Africa you chode, do you go around calling China Cathay?

Not where I am from. But it is not surprising that uncultured Iberians would do such things.

What is wrong with Cathay?

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Germans did it too, be careful you don't cut down the white race too much.

What's wrong with m-m-my fedora? Grandpa has one, and he got l-laid.

I am not German.

I am sorry about your grandfather user. I hope he gets better. I hear they have decent unconventional medicine in far away Cathay.

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There is the official medical answer to your question. Subspecies of Homo Sapiens Sapiens would look drastically different than us, to a point where they would be adapted to a specific enviornment totally.

You will no longer see the same body diversity in the genera Homo as there once was.

You're welcome, I'm glad someone as young as you is curious about science.

Fucked up quoting

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Yes. Skull shape doesn't matter, genetic data does. The fact is that you can't call someone with scoliosis a different sub species just because their spine is crooked.

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A good example of a human subspecies is Homo sapiens idaltu, they are genetically enough divergent to be considered a Homo sapiens subspecies from Homo sapiens apiens.

Bone structure does not matter compared to genetic data, and so far there is not distinct enough a branch compared to other examples among simians to make this conclusion.

Therefore, modern science rejects it. Skeletons are extremely diverse in capacity actually. They're not generally similar.

Most Asian immigrants come here with an education. In general, they're NOT peasants.

Also, they're NOT representative of the population in China:

cnn.com/2015/08/03/opinions/lee-immigration-ethnic-capital/index.html
ppic.org/publication/immigrants-and-education/

cnn.com/2017/08/01/opinions/asian-american-data-collection-opinion-ramakrishnan/index.html

Its impossible to tell nowadays due to this.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nipster

>cnn.com

Ill string you up by your buttcheeks in tiananmen square nerd, get an old germanic rendering pit for me and the bois going

The statistics in those articles are accurate, faggot.

You can tell evo psych has triggered many lefties.

jej

Academic disagreement means I win

If being retarded is a condition of blackness like dark skin and woolen hair then there should not ever be any intelligent ones ever.

Nah lets just chop you up and feed you to some cannibals.

Human skeletons have so many diverse capacities they can't really be compared. Anyone with a bone disease comes onto different classification if we use skeletons as a matter of classification more than migratory difference.

So far, science hasn't concluded we're different sub species, so it's official.

Offer data proving otherwise. Oh, that's right, you can't.

Neanderthal is considered a different species from Sapiens.

Genetic difference within our closest simian relatives is around 64.3%, and their "races" are fare more general and broad. Human genetic variance is around 93.2%, therefore classifying something as a different sub species becomes far more difficult.

That's because human beings have had different population declines and interbred far more than others, "humans", or the genera Homo, faced extinction far more often than other Simians.

Race is therefore due to other factors in humans and can't be applied in a broad stroke because of "different species", or distinct as Holla Forums likes to put it.

Most are entirely socio-economic and capitalist in nature.

Yes, and it seems they became extinct. So did Homo erectus actually. So did Homo Habilis. Of extinct Homo genera but the ONLY OTHER recognized sub species of Homo sapiens is Homo sapiens idaltu. They are similarly, extinct.

Everything else your spouting is dubious bullshit. Skeletal difference doesn't matter, genetic data does.

Using only "Bone difference" is enough to classify a different entire region in a Genera only in the 19th and early 20th century. Such huckster bullshit doesn't hold the table anymore.

I thought you were above that Holla Forums, where'd the civilization go?

An example. Cro Magnuns, though being far more basal, were still Homo sapiens sapiens.

Aren't they a sub-species?

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neanderthals are from northern europe buddy. they were white.

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No, debunking race realism is a waste of time, because they don't have to be wrong to already be wrong. Like the Slovenian Sniff man said about antisemitism.
Universality and solidarity do not depend on nurture > nature, it is enough that we consider people human. The only proper repose to a race realist claim is, so what?

"""white"""
dont try to place modern labels on a species of animal that was mostly more tan that you

The question becomes whether it is responsible to advocate for open-borders internationalism as part of the socialist package. If I wanted to have kids, it would be irresponsible for me to move to downtown Detroit before doing so. If the end result of socialist internationalism is, in effect, bringing Detroit to me, via the migration of billions of Africans eager for a better life, then it would not be responsible in any way for me to advocate for this, assuming that race realism is correct.

You don't have to be a race realist to be an immigration realist. Advocating for fully open borders and total freedom of movement before worldwide socialism is in place is a terrible idea even if race realists are wrong.

No, I mean after worldwide socialism exists. Many socialists assume that the problems race realists point out in e.g. black behavior will simply go away when capitalism is abolished, which is not really compatible with hereditarian views.

What the fuck is black behavior dude? I'm half black and you've actually triggered me because of the GENUINE belief that we all conform to some Orcish stereotype. The fuck is your problem?

At least normal Holla Forumstards use the guise of genetic differences to validate already seated hatred, but you actually think we're these fucking savages, hellbent on your destruction.

Then that's for the people then alive to prove and solve.
I mean, if they are so inferior, what is there to fear? Or is it the typical anti-Semetic paradox in a new jacket - the Jew is both inferior and all powerful? Africans can't accomplish anything if left to themselves but will at the same time genocide all whites? Seems a tall order for people who [your favorite prejudices here].

Have you considered why crime is profitable in capitalism in the first place and why poor people would fall into gangs just for the pursuit of a quick buck?

Ever heard of black Russians? African Americans en masse moved to Soviet Russia around its inception because it offered perks that the United States didn't have, especially regarding its racial bias. They thrived there.

If this behavior was genetic just for people who have more melanin, shouldn't it be that one population follows the crime statistics of another? Or perhaps, the United States just really fucking sucks at solving its social issues.

no, because when black people do crime its because they are niggers but when white people do crime its because of circumstance
we are essentialising the actions of the out-group, get on with the programme

Oh sorry i dropped the ball on that one

Blacks do well in socialist societies because they tend to make good workers when given a purpose

So that's genetic? To what degree? That's dubious as fuck a claim to make.

There's a great book in a similar vein to this called Black Bolshevik, about a black communist's experiences with international socialism and his time in the early Soviet Union.

To be fair, black people as a collective appear to be hellbent on destroying basically any society where they live, but this is of course not intentional. Most black ethnic groups (not all, for instance, Nigerians of Igbo descent appear to actually do quite well in the US, and the Jamaicans I've met have been cool) have a rather high propensity towards violence, compared to other groups. I don't even care about the I.Q. shit that much, it's really the violence that makes me a bit leery of black people. If young black males commit a huge share of murders in the US, is it really unjustifiable to have some level of unease around them? It's just self-preservation. There's just not a good reason to want the modal black African in your society, purely on safety grounds - though outliers are fine, of course.

Why aren't there more murders by Asian gangs or in Appalachia where everyone is broke and jobless? Sure, they're all high on heroin, but they aren't going around shooting each other like crazy. The evidence for poverty being causal in criminal behavior is actually not that good - it's more likely that other genetic factors are causal in both poverty and criminal behavior.

Did they, in significant numbers, or was it just Soviet propaganda? Remember, the USSR at the time wanted to cultivate good relations with African countries, so they had a vested interest in appearing to have the moral high-ground over racist Americans in order to secure good relations with Africa and promote revolutionary to add to the Soviet sphere and secure African resources. On the other hand, it could be that basically every Western country is awful at solving their social problems with black people in particular.

who the fuck said anything about genetic

my first comment was sarcastic
the second one sincere

the black population in america was doing fine around the 60s post Civ.rights the crime wave didnt start until the late 80s when the black family unit was eroded by 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧drugs🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 and massive urbanization

Out of everything you just said, this comes out as the dumbest. Poverty and crime go together like bread on a fucking sandwich, even a race realist knows that. For reason the police department focuses more highly on lower income areas, laws are enforced stricter, and life pushes people to the limit easier.

I see you arent familiar with mung gangs in utah or the triad/yakuza
just becuase they were suits doenst make them better you fucking moron

how can they unintentionally be hellbent on anything, that is at its core contradictory.

Why does your mind jump instantly to a genetic cause for destructive behavior? Why are you of the persuasion that blacks are utterly irredeemable? As your example of them still retaining savage traits even after a global revolution heavily implies.

You've stated that there are blacks who aren't susceptible to violence, would it assuage your concerns if you met more black groups that weren't orcs?

You seem adamant about keeping your beliefs so I'm not sure if me trying to inform you is a wasted venture; seated antipathy for irrational reasons (mostly aesthetic probably) that has the cloak of genuine concerns (Violence, Autism Level).

You really need to stop talking about blacks like they're this alien species that has indiscernible motives - as you are speaking to one right now that has no cause to lie.

They empirically weren't, they were literally oppressed - and I use literally proper - and were still in the mires of poverty.

Are the mung gangs from the shitty parts of South Asia? That would explain a lot, if so. There are, of course, genetic differences in behavior between different Asian ethnic groups. For instance, the Hmong, I think, have done rather shitty in the US, compared to other Asian groups like Viets, Chinese, etc.

I know, I was being facetious. largely Black societies tend to be rather shitty, unfortunately, but it's not as if they're trying to make them bad. It just seems that the aggregate characteristics of most black populations (aggressive behavior, low Autism Level, etc.) make it harder to develop a decent society. It could be that more progress will be made in at least some African societies as time goes on - for instance, Rwanda has been growing rapidly. Of course Paul Kagame is low-key trying to finish off the Hutu population through eugenics…

Most race realists would probably say that crime and certain racial groups go together like bread on a sandwich. Again, it's more likely that there are certain (heritable) behavioral characteristics/ genetic traits that correlate with both poverty and crime, that are present at a higher rate among different populations.

I became convinced that nurture-based explanations didn't have a great amount of evidence backing them. I think the same is true of "positive" behaviors, or of pretty much any behavior.

I have black friends, dude. Most of them are from the Caribbean and honestly thought there was almost no racism in America. I don't view black people as irredeemable, or anything. But the reality is, since most of my friends are people I met at (a STEM-oriented) college, I'm basically always spending time with outliers, in some sense. You can still treat people as individuals while recognizing group differences.

Again, I'm not angry about black people, I'm just not eager for the modal person from most black ethnic groups to start moving near me en-masse. I'm sure most people would feel the same about whites, Chinese, etc. moving en-masse near them.

Do you have a single fact to back that up, because as far as I can see there's no academic basis for your claim aside from jumping to conclusions from US FBI crime data

Which is a picture on unbiased genetics about as ridiculous as it sounds.

Neural plasticity doesn't work like that.

Sure, but the study is limited to Sweden: bjp.rcpsych.org/content/bjprcpsych/205/4/286.full.pdf
income and subsequent violent criminality and substance
misuse once we had adjusted for unobserved familial risk
factors

There's plenty of stuff on the Internet about all this, and in textbooks on behavioral genetics, population genetics, etc. Why not read it with an open mind?

This contradicts outright your claim that blacks will still be destructive even after a massive change in culture and education (that follows a global revolution).

The problem with genetic determinism is that it strips your motivation to better anything through politics as everything will just fall into place with the right people, who have the right genetics. It's incredibly reductive and regressive, sending all racial groups to their own corners of the earth wont solve anything - it will just restart the clock for it to all happen again.

Because it should hold up to critique. Behavioral genetic determinism is flawed. Academics shit on it for a reason.

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Especially genetic determinism on racial grounds. If mental health and genetics is something that "race realists" are so worried about, they should come up with a picture far more varied than just "criminal" and "not criminal".

But we're not seeing this, and its evolved from social issues rather than actual biology, even if they want to separate themselves from social issues so concretely.

Are they Jewish? I hate to parrot paranoid Holla Forums rhetoric here, but there are some left-liberal Jewish academics who will lie in order to de-legitimize hereditarian perspectives, for ideological reasons and out of (understandable) fear of reviving racism, as I already posted earlier in the thread. This is not to suggest a grand conspiracy, since one of the foremost opponents of blank-slate style thinking is Jewish (Steven Pinker).

Really

No Holla Forums, not everyone who disagrees with genetic determinism in behavior based on race in academia is Jewish.

Read what I posted here:

Not a grand conspiracy, but there's certainly some overlap between "Jewish left-liberal" and "overstates environmental influence".

Yeah I'm calling bullshit and questioning the validity of findings based on race of the academic in question.

*is ridiculous

This is a seriously circular argument

Could it be that jews are neanderthals?

No, wagecucks who believe in 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧human nature🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 are the real neanderthals. It seems to be a gene that keeps popping up from time to time.

The Alternative Hipothesis replies, worth checking:
youtube.com/watch?v=rG2iFmJn3gM
youtube.com/watch?v=uHp5DKJZVE0

All humans are K selected.
There, I saved you half an hour of sophistry.

The absolute fucking state of race deniers.

If you think variation within races is less than variation between races, you're pretty much a creationist.

that's good

If you read any college level biology textbook, you'd know that can but won't.

Hasn't Kraut always been a social democrat? Always knew he wasn't a racist though, he did a video where he talked about how his grandfather was racist and how he dealt with it when he figured it out later.

Separately, there was another "skeptic" who did a better video then this one a while back debunking race realism youtube.com/watch?v=GyMyrvwLb8c

I'm not white because I say so. Stay buttmad nazis. Every word you come up, every label signifies exactly nothing. You have no objective criteria of what is worse or better.

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