What do you think of Israel?

Tbh, at least on 4/pol/, you'll find more people defending Israel than here. It's pretty funny to me.

You'll find more people on 8/pol/ defending Israel as a "based ethnonationalist state" than here. It's funny really.

Israel is top 3 anti-revolution countries in the world. They go nasty asap.

that's a bannu

lol no it isnt faggot you just need to phrase it in terms of trump defense

8/pol/ has suffered the greatest mental retardant known to man - extreme ideology

No I'm pretty sure it's not hymie's ancestral homeland JIDF, fuck them and fuck you

I'm from 4/pol/ but I find this board's anti Israel stance very refreshing. There are so many Christcucks and Trumptards on 4/pol/ defending Israel that I sometimes feel more at home here than over there. You guys aren't all bad.

I also love your anti Libertarian stance. Can't stand those retards.

you have no idea what you are talking about or what 8pol believes in

if you post "we need apartheid policies like Israel" you are fine
if you post "Israel isn't that bad tbh" you will get banned

miss replied, here's your (you) techie

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Nice. I believe other people have a right to live in their ancestral homeland alongside them!

As bad as they are for oppressing other minorities, antisemitism leads to Holla Forums doctrine, we cannot allow anti Israeli hate speech.

Oh, and don't forget:

Fuck off

Bite me, or bite the bullet, nazbol.

spooky

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Fuck off back to Holla Forums false flagger cunt. and if you are for real just kys

Are you being intentionally obtuse or do you really not understand the difference between those two statements.

what happened to the smart leftcom spurdo poster

If the Jews want a homeland then allow them to have it for now, otherwise any sort of compromise will inevitably lead to Holla Forums, even if their policies are outright awful.

Go back to those shitty meme fuck boys you jack off to on YouTube you prepubescent nazbol shit.

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If either side wanted to end the war they could have, but as it stands, both sides have things to gain, so they'll just keep killing.
I literally would rather fund warlords in Africa than gift jews buy more missiles where half are used for fake raids.

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Being against an ethno nationalist state will lead to Holla Forums?

what about my people, we want a homeland too

Which people.
Believe it or not it does actually depend when you need to account for things like land scale, and muh privilege and I mean that unironically.

See the statement before me.

You cant own land

Those statements can be "different", but the reality is that 8pol is filled with rabid-ziocons. Until a few months ago Kushner and Ivanka were "based". They readily support tax cuts for super-rich jews, they support a system that endows those same jews with political and economic power.
When Syria got bombed it was suddenly "8D chess" and they seemed to have collectively forgotten about 'based' Assad. There's even widespread support for attacking North Korea, Venezuela and even war with Iran.
Ziocons are ziocons, no matter how much their parrot their "antisemitic pro-zionism".

Not when they exploit the people living their and fuck up their neighbors.

Right, is that why we have an American holocaust, or are the jews in America doing just fine?

Anti-deutsch please fuck off.

Basques
Kurds
Scots
White Americans
uncontacted tribes in the Amazon rainforest

Whites as a 'race' are an ethnic minority. I guess it's okay if we just deport all the brown people from Europe and North America?
>>>Holla Forums

No, no you may not.

America literally inspired Hitler.
There's been a heavy rise in anti semitism in America recently no thanks to you people.

Stop bastardizing my argument, I said upon calculating various factors, whites are not allowed to have an ethno state, other races can.

What difference does it make?

Full of spooky ideology that needs to be destroyed
not the land, not the buildings, not it's people but it's entire ideology needs to be erased from existence.

The Jewish religion & culture must be eradicated like all religion.

fug u! Pais Basquo will rise again

and your shit too. all Christianity and "American" culture will be eradicated too. Eat shit and die.

reminder to sage and report jidf threads. they come here every week to shill this crap and only you can stop them

who says I'm American
I might just be a Spanish pachyderm enthusiast

Multiple

Incorrect

Back to Holla Forums with you.

It's Holla Forums doing this, not JIDF.

No you idiot. It doesn't make one.
How one phrase is less Holla Forums than the other?

I bet you think Antifa is fascist too

Lel

>Basques, who have lived in the same area for thousands of years, and have been subjected to numerous genocides and millenniums of oppression, are not allowed to have an ethnostate

How? Whites and Jews are not the same? This is really racist of you don't you think?

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Holla Forums isn't agnostically EthNat
they have a horse in the race

Holy shit you're not even hiding being a nazbol 12 year old are you?

I ignored that certain ethnicity. I was focusing more on the rest.

Fuck off already

Are you from Finland?

Fuck you

No

Where are you from?

Israel or germany.

It goes for the rest too.

lol true

The US.
Why.

I know regardless of where you're from you're still a dumbass.

I think you're Jewish.

I believe the point he was making was that ethnonationalism always conveys benefits to the ethnic group, regardless of their history and relative levels of opression

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I may add that if we want to play the Idpol game you can include zimbabwe and give a point to white supremacists. That's how retarded is idpol

I'm not.

Wasn't born there, and I sure as hell wasn't influenced by it, but you seem like an idiot by nature.

Gee, I wonder why there are so many threads of Jews on here all at once

Anti-deutsch neocon detected

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You don't care for white people. In fact, you want them to be oppressed. Fucking kill yourself you anti-deutsch dirtbag.

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Kek

Whites only feel oppressed because they're losing their muh privilege

They need to support their ethnostate as– and I will say this one last fucking time it is not my fault if you cannot get it through your thick fucking skull or can't comprehend it with your walnut sized brain which is somehow bigger than your testicles, they need to exercise these policies as bad as they may be to sustain their ethnostate they deserve as reparations for years of mistreatment by others, if you are against this you are Holla Forums.

Alright well I need to go to be now so I will leave you all with this.
You are all wrong.
You are all stupid.
And nazbols get the bullet too, straight to their fragile testicles, and if they don't that just means we take pity upon you for being mentally disabled like the one I have been arguing with fruitlessly this entire thread.

wEw
if board owner saw this you'd catch a ban m8. u best hope your dancing partner doesn't hit that report button.

Hitler said the same fucking thing.
Don't even try idiot

Are you implying whites can't be economically exploited or impoverished? Wew.

Many of those alive in Israel today never suffered the holocaust. Many of them aren't even descendents of eastern and western European jews.
Why should they be allowed to oppress others?

The ancestral homeland of the askenazi jews in north western europe.
Its the palestinians land. Their ancestors lived there for hundreds of years. The jews that moved there didnt.
I blame the zionists and hitler.
Not by creating an ethno-state that hitler would be proud of

Everyone has a right to live wherever they damn please, regardless of the status of the nation-state of their choosing as their "ancestral homeland" — whatever that is supposed to mean. The problem with Israel is not that Jews live in Palestine but how it treats Arab Palestinians.

While there are nasty antisemitic and/or terrorist elements within the Palestinian movement, the situation is largely the result of Israeli military policies. For every Israeli victims, there is a dozen of Palestinian victims.

They have. But that doesn't include the mass murder of innocent people.

Their own religion says that they should remain in exile until the return of their profit, at which point he'd lead them to the homeland and unite them.

Modern Israel is the result of Jews jumping the gun on their own prophecy.

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It's not a prophet, it's a messiah.

That's true, and some ultra-orthodox sects like the Haredi are fiercely anti-Zionist on that basis. They aren't going back to Israel until the messiah personally tells them to do so.

The political motivations for Zionism were mostly secular — including among the most openly fascist Zionists.

A Zionist entity created only to fuck up the peace between Jews and Arabs.

Palestine before 47' was a multicultural union.

Got any source on that claim? I'm ready to believe it but from what I've heard conflict between Jews and Arabs in Palestine predates the creation of Israel.

this

also fuck off OP neither the jews nor england owned palestine and they made the illegal balfour declaration to take palestine by force

"israel" is just an occupational military force not a fucking state you liberal shithead, stop trying to look like jews were in there in first place they weren't most of them now are immigrants, read history fucking idiot.

It's really true that jews are cheap fucks

what do you think?

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fucking disgusting

I personally dont give a flying fuck about Palestians; they dont even exist anyway, and their made up identity has been used by arab countries to wage war against Israel.
Yes, Israel is a conservative hell hole, but i dont really see why so many people hate them (beside "it's the joos xdd").
Yes, there was a "war", which i wouldn't even call imperialism, and they got the land: that's it.
The idea of a "democratically unified Israel" it's impossible at the moment because of the nationalist feelings.
Capitalism will reach its end in Israel too, and because there are some leftists background in jewish history, i think i'd rather have jews than a bunch of retarded HAMAS supporters LARPing as "palestinians" running the country.
Zionism as an ideology should be eraticated though, as it's reactionary af

Antisemites wanted Jews to move to Zion instead living in Europe, Israeli right-zionists and European antisemites are in reality allies.

All "national identities" are made up, friendo. None truly exist. "Being Israeli" is as imaginary as "being Palestinian".

Holla Forums faggot detected

they kicked me out from my homeland
and my children starved for many years
so i had to go around and beg
in front of every house, in front of every home

fire fire fire fire
anti-reactionary
fire fire fire fire
against zionism
fire fire fire fire
against imperialism
fire fire

I lived hell in the refuge camp
and they watched me day and night
so that I would live like a beggar
and so I wouldn't fight for my homeland

I tought my children about imperialism
and about the reaction, and zionism
with weapons in hand we rose up
from every house and from every tent

they decided to destroy us
with the massacre i Jordania
and by bombing houses in Lebanon
over the whole world they are killing us

Jewish anarchist here

every time there is an attack on Jews outside Israel, the zionists cheer. zionists and nazis are the most ardent believers in jewish exceptionalism, despite their nominally opposing worldviews they are very very close to each other and have shared interests

You do realize that Palestinian resistance to Israeli imperialism used to be dominated by secular leftist movements such as the PFLP, right?

Support for Zionism was actually very weak until after the Holocaust. Most early 20th-century European Jews were mostly indifferent or even opposed to it. As Sartre once said, "the antisemite makes the Jew" — not the other way around.

Just spitballing here but maybe it's the ever-expanding colonial occupation.

Because all anti-zionist and socialist Jews were killed in Europe.

We should revenge and in the name of our killed comrades we have a duty to lead an absolute and merciless fight against fascism and imperialism. Zionist included.

People don’t have the right to steal land from outher people

Spooks

National identities do exists; the "culture" of a country is determined by elements picked from the past.
I dont think it should be held as something to be "proud of" or something that should be defended with force.
Being "Israeli" has to do with tons of tons of years of history (developed in Europe of course), while being "Palestinian" is nothing more than a slogan.
You said it; used to.
Spend some time with the modern resistence and you'll see what kind of shitty situation they're in.

Fuck you, im not Holla Forums; look below
This is Holla Forums

Nothing will be done about Israel because all Arab opposition to it, be it left or right religious or secular, fulfils the stereotype of being poisonously anti semitic and thus plays into Israel's hands. Now the line that is espoused over and over again of "criticising Israel or Zionism is not anti semitic" but the majority of Arabs are on "Hitler had some fucking great ideas about the Jewish problem tbqh" levels of anti semitism.

You do NOT have a right to steal land from people. It doesn’t matter if you lived there 2,000 years ago.

It's fukcing racist, don't you think?

If someone's supporting Israeli and American imperialism, mass murdering of Palestinian people, captialism, right-wing capitalist governments, and in the same time he's wiping out his snout with slogans about antisemitism, he isn't partner for discussion, but a enemy to be defeated.

Palestinians are basically Arabs, who have come to be defined and characterized by their exploitation and oppression by the Israeli colonial state.
Just as Israelis - including Europeans jews - have come to be defined by their struggles.
One does not exclude the other.

Meanwhile the Soviet Union can snatch Eastern Europe countries under the flag of liberation and no one blinks an eye.

Racism would mean that im somehow implying that jews are superior than "palestinians"; im not saying that, i can't even say something like that because (well, mostly because "scientific racism is bullshit) there's no such thing as a palestinian.
I was reefering to identity.

Okay

We don't talk about Soviet Union now.

You said that Jews have stronger right to have a national identity than Palestinians because they have muh european cultural history and without knowin literally anything about Arab culture and history.

You can be also racist while refering to identity, you Holla Forums scum.

The USSR didn’t Genocide Eastern Europeans and replace them with Russians. (That only happen in Prussia which I’m against) They set up independent nation-states for Eastern Europeans.

those Nation States existed long before USSR took over, governments changed thou

"National identities" are fabrications patched up from disparate elements designed to manipulate people's sense of belonging. Sometimes they're even entirely made up from scratch. See "imagined communities" and "invented traditions".

Nationalism is a recent development associated with the late 19th century. Before that, most people simply didn't see themselves as part of a "nation". So, no, "tons of tons of years of history" aren't involved in the shaping of that sentiment — it's all a contemporary subterfuge.

Not really, there was bourgeoise and fascist states that were destroyed completly by Nazis. USSR created completely new systems with completely new structures.

Yeah, like the good ol' european Mitzvah tradition.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Okay tumblr, maybe open up a dictionary next time before spewing out such bullshit
Im not "butthurt" by HAMAS, im concerned; i dont want to see Israel fall under their banner; leftist resistence doesn't exist anymore so it isn't an option, unless you want to support a wahabbist ethnostate.
Yeah, Poland and Latvia were so happy under USSR occupation that they ended up founding a movement for independency
(which was brutally repressed with force; totally not imperialism guyz xdd)
Because there was no such thing as a nation back then.

The Nation is the project of nationalists who construct an identity by selecting, omitting, or even inventing portions of history which is foisted upon reality. Nationalism precedes the nation.

This is just the "with us or against us fallacy". Opposing Israeli imperialism does not entail supporting Hamas.

Also "whataboutism" is not an excuse. That the Nazis committed genocide, white colonists slaughtered natives or the Soviet armies occupied countries is not a carte blanche for others do the same.

It isn't a fallacy in this case; unless there's an alternative.
spoilers: there isn't

Most of Poles and Latvians were happy and so called "independency movement" was mainly fascist German collaborators and antisemites, whose fight for independence mainly relied on killing random Jews and villagers.

HAMAS exists only because Israel and USA destroyed leftist resistance and only important anti-imperialist resistance can be founded by Iran. What's so hard to understand. user?

Also:
using rightist, fascist terminology to describe former independent states from Eastern Bloc. Did I already wrote you to fuck of, pol?

The Palestinians have been living in that part of the world for thousands of years. You'd have to be a zionist apologist or drooling idiot to think that that somehow doesn't mean that they have a national identity just because historical maps show that land belonging to the Ottoman's or the Abbasids. They've literally been living their this whole time, who the fuck do you think was? Not only can it be argued that they have a much better case for forming a state than the Zionists, it cannot be debated that they somehow deserve to be removed from their homeland.

Shit, i didn't knew there were nazis in Latvia during 1988-1991.

Then propose something else.
There's nothing to understand beside the fact that there's no other valid resistence movement to support.

Go back to /r/fullcommunist you meme loving bastard.
Go praise your socdem at the point of a gun there, along with meme-ists tankies.
It was a fucking occupation and USSR was a farce.

funfact: IDF personnel has regular difficulties with the local climate because everyone except conscripts from africa arent used to living under the arab sun

National identies such as Palestinians do exist. Religions such as Judaism are spooks.

Not. You're just spreading fascist anticommunist propaganda. Eestern Bloc weren't "fascists with red flags". They were in reality literraly just socialdemocratic like neutral socialdemocratic states ie. Sweden or Finland. Opposition wasn't persecuted really and modern regimes in Central Europe are much more repressive that so called "USSR occupation". You're just lied by right-wing propaganda.

You didn't live there, just have faulty imaginations based on rightist fantasies and exaggerations.

Israel doesn't exists as a country; jewish identity does.

I see that you don't know too much, really.

There's not because of faggots like you who didn't what they could to help to overthrow Israeli government when it was time for it and Soviet Union existed.

Being "Israeli" has to do with tons of tons of years of history
except theyre khazars LARPing as "gods chosen people"
id pick the master race over the chosen people any day, atleast theyre honest about being assholes

so england and north africa belong to a watermellon salesman in Rome then. and india belongs to a pub owner from London. ok.

"israeli" is nothing more than a slogan, its a bastardised term forced from the 12 tribes of israel meme

were talking about american and european jews stealing land from an entire nation of people, not the USSR

theres no such thing as "israeli"

i prefer Hezbollah that pushed your shit in 2006 tbh

All I'm hearing from you is anti-Soviet propaganda that somehow justifies the actions of an oppressive ethno-nationalist regime, and whining about how mean Hamas is. Fuck off.

You know, because Sweden and Finland deports people on daily basis.
My parents did; they're probably fascists imma right?
Im done, i'll just stop
This is the peak of meme-ism socialism, fucking leftcoms were right

just because a convert mutilates his dick doesent mean he has the right to build a house on a palestinian garden.

oh trust me, there will be no "israel" under their banner

well there is. deport jews back to america and europe and let things take their course.

if its got gund pointed at israel and saudi arabia its valid.

Except that's a village up north.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_genetics_of_Jews

Really makes you think.

If you were evicted from your house you can't come back 20 years later and claim you have cultural ownership of it.
In the same light, the Greeks could make this claim about Anatolia (modern day Turkey). Do you support natives kicking all non native people out of north and South America? Do you support Dravidian Indians kicking all muslims and Noth Indians (aryans) out of India? Should Cambodians (who are the progeny of Indian migrantion) be kicked out of South east Asia? And if you don't support these things, then why the doublespeak when it comes to Israel? Are you racist, biased, what is it?