Was this a good tactic?

Was this a good tactic?

Probably not, cheap appeals to patriotism have never been the most interesting/effective tactic. I wish the contemporary left would drop the irrational anti-Americanism though, that shit's really holding us back tbh.

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Most of the anti-Americanism on the modern left is irrational user. Saying that you hate the American government and saying that you hate America and what it stands for are two very different things. Most Americans have a positive view of what "American values" are user.

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spooky

I unironically agree.

Like what's with people siding with the British Empire over the American Revolution, generally as some sort of abolitionist thing? Why would the empire that allowed apartheid to carry on be any better for America's slaves?

I mean if anything it would probably be better to come at it from an angle of preventing native genocide (though I think that's also debatable.)

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Of course, if America collapses it's smooth sailing for socialism!

"american values" used to be against a standing army, against territorial expansionism, against military establishment, now everyone equates it with militarism. "American values" used to be be a skeptical and conditional federalism, now everyone uses it to praise a national entity. "American values" is just an empty phrase whose meaning is determined by what the american ruling classes want at any given time, and its purpose is to tell people that it's all in their national, collective, communal interest. Stop letting literal spooks dictate your politics, dummy.

Nice idealism user, but you're misunderstanding both "Americanism" and how capital reproduces itself. If America were wiped off the face of the earth capitalism would likely continue for a long time in some form anyways.
You have a negative view of freedom, pragmatism, and perseverance? Really "Americanism" is a vague enough term that any ideology can say that it embodies it. We'd be stupid to not claim it, especially since it'd soften our image in the eyes of many, especially with the pragmatism bit (which we are mostly).

No, it's determined by the people, but it lacks any determinate meaning. It's precisely because it's a spook that it'd be something leftists could claim for themselves.

Many Britons have a positive view of Margaret Thatcher, it doesn't stop them being piss-swilling morons with objectively wrong opinions.
(t. Briton.)

Could you come up with a lefty narrative about Thatcher without being full of shit? Because the claim that America was founded on enlightenment principles that have gone unfulfilled throughout it's entire history isn't wrong at all. Marxism is descended from liberalism, and even if it has different stances on almost every issue it's goals are pretty similar tbh.

Ah yes, I forgot how it wasn't a single country that expanded capitalism in the first place, or how it wasn't a single eastern european country that sustained feudal-aristocratic reaction in Europe throughout most of the 19th century.


Oh that's unthinkable, like how Soviet Russia collapsed and everything else stayed in place, right?

There's no Idealism, my point here is strictly material. Without american created, designed or at least sponsored financial institutions, capitalism can't continue as it exists today. Socialist reaction to global capitalism in the Middle-East, Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe was thwarted by the US after all other european countries failed. A network of reactionary regimes that wouldn't survive a day without US money and weapons erased Socialist movements in the entire globe, and continue to to this day. And let's not even get into how US arms industry is vital to global capitalism. Even Europe would have gone to the Left without american interference, just look at post-war Italy.

Lmao no it isn't. Ideology is determined by economic elites and our means of production and distribution, that's it's function. It's the connective tissue between individuals and the institutions that govern a socioeconomic system. Saying you can claim it and make use of it at your will is naive, and a huge middle finger to Marx.

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You really think we'd get socialism if America collapsed? The countries in the EU wouldn't likely become socialist any time soon; neither would the former soviet states or most Asian countries. Many Middle Eastern countries might, and many Latin American countries definitely would, but I don't see worldwide socialism on the horizon any time soon, even with the US out of the picture.

Wrong.
Ideology is something everyone has and participates in. I can do what I want ideologically speaking.
spooky.

The Brits committed genocide against natives in Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. It's not like they were standing up for the red man or anything.

Fatalism is stupid and playing alternative history is stupid as well. But if you look practically and realistically look at all leftist governments and revolutions since 1917 you find one consistent obstacle, so it's only smart to do your beast to weaken and restrain it.

Read Marx, simp. And stop using "spooky" or other terms you don't understand just because you saw a Facebook meme featuring them.

I'm not being fatalistic, one has to invent alternate worlds that correspond to various possibilities to even analyze what the future holds.
There have been way more obstacles than you're letting on. America is arguably the biggest roadblock, but you'd have to be delusional to say it was the only one.

Not an argument. I have read Marx, I just disagree with you :^)
The idea that I should worry about offending Marx because I have ideas he may or may not have objected to is literally spooky in the Stirnerian sense.

The presumption that "if X happens, Y will be the consequence" is fatalist and that's how you framed the question. I'm just saying that's not how I approach those things, I'm not calling your approach fatalist either.

I never said there were no other obstacles, I even talked about european reaction above.

I just know that:
1. What the main obstacle is, and how that's not only quantifiable but also evident from the historical record and 2. That history show us that once a relation of production that has outlived its usefulness is kept in place by a reactionary system, the power to sustain it on a global scale tends to be centralized on a few hands. And once these are tied or wiped out completely, that whole global system falls. We see that for example in the feudal-aristocratic alliance centered on Russia after the Napoleonic wars, and how the end of Confederacy signaled the end of slavery in virtually all of Latin America (and other post-colonial territories too).

No you didn't and it's transparent. You misuse the vocabulary, you don't understand basic concepts, you don't get the materialist frame of mind at all, etc. And don't worry, stop scrambling through Wikipedia, I won't make a big deal out of this. Your whole cadence and the level of your political insights (thinking we can appropriate conservative and bourgeois elements to our purposes and all that) make me suspect you were a centrist through most of your life, or at least you were the moderate liberal shitdick who loved the sound of your own voice when you preached "conciliation" to your friends and all that, and you have recently changed sides. So it's okay if you don't understand shit and you haven't read anything, but get on with it asap because no one has the time or patience to educate you on the basics, and if you don't know the basics you'll be confused most of the time.

anti-Americanism as in opposing the American empire is good and necessary

edgy "death to America" bullshit is not

Every country sustains capitalism. America is just top dog, like Britain before it.

Reminder that MLs are just social democrats who want commodity production to be managed by state technocracies rather than private individuals. They are not your friends and have little use other than organizing proletarians.

Retards who have this view need to be put against a wall.

Anti-americanism is never enough. The only way to save europe is through socialism and anti-americanism. I'm not against using the rethoric that hitler used with the jews to gain power tbh, just instead of jew use americans.

This is embarrassing, please quit bringing shame to Uncle Joe's good perfectly good mustache.

Either point out specifics or shut the fuck up, bitch nigga.

You're projecting.

Altrough with all the smack I talk about the US I can see how you'd take me seriously.

But who can blame him? Your serious posts are indistinguishable from your shitposts.

This is absolutley not true. I make quality posts and don't get (you's), I make shitposts and all of a sudden "AWWW THAT STACHE FAG AGAIN".