Dude fuck public opinion lmao

Then I'm not a socialist. Maybe anarcho-techno-monarchist would be a better label.

Yes, that is one of the many ways in which this universe is awful.

You don't get them on your side by clearly explaining the problems and your proposed solutions to them though. They're too stupid to understand that. You just use the same advertising and propaganda techniques that have been refined for generations. Once you have used them to get where you need to, you can take away what little power they thought they had.

No it isn't.

He's right, pretty much all social change starts out unpopular for the simple reason that popular ideas are ruling class ideas. Changes and revolutionary actions tend to start with the minority pushing for something and then gaining momentum over time. If we're going to let majoritarian consensus dictate our actions we may as well give up now, the majority of people hate communism after all (whatever they think that is).

You are literally retarded.

lmao stop larping as a community organizer from the '60s
you aint organizing no worker "in the workplace" when they work from cubicles or as uber drivers
your understanding of class relations in the 21st century are even more outdated than maoist autism

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Only that's not what they're arguing. They're claiming that annoying and antagonizing people (rather than trying to gain their sympathy like the sane parts of the civil rights movement were doing) is a valid tactic of changing public opinion.

And yes, socialism is democratic by definition. Are you perhaps assuming the term democracy only refers to its liberal, representative version?

fucking liberals need to get out

Nah, cointelpro first.

So, like he said then

hi Holla Forums

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Friendly reminder that Sorelianists use the Nazbol flag to differentiate themselves from anarchists and DeLeonists.

wtf I love nazbol flag now!

But Sorel hated democracy

Democracy for the strong.

So it's a Kratocracy, not a democracy.

Well it's a kind of democracy really since democracy doesn't necessarily imply universal suffrage.

No it's not, some strong people that took and maintain power for them is not a democracy, democracy is when all the people have power.

No it isn't. When democracy was invented most of "the people" were either slaves or women and they had no power.

Of course I'm not talking about patrician "democracy", I'm talking about modern direct democracy.
So how does a nazbol "democracy" looks like exactly? I'm curious.

Stop redefining terms. Democracy is a Greek word that contains the compound "demo", standing for "the People". These "People" are defined as those who are legitimate citizens, actually legally (keep this term in mind) eligible for suffrage in democratic matters. It is a fully political term, inclusive or exclusive of whatever and whomever at any time, entirely dependent on the form democracy is allowed to have at a given time by the conditions and rulers. Which is why democracy has everything to do with the legal; democracy will be a superfluous concept in a stateless society, completely meaningless and an artifact of the class societies.

White, Jewish and Asian male union leaders, academics, recognized artists and athletes get to participate in local government directly and delegate upwards.

Aren't you supposed to be anti-semitic?

Yes and no. We do think that Jews are as cunning, sneaky and manipulative as Holla Forums says they are. But we're also amoralists so we don't necessarily think this is a bad thing and instead appreciate the resourcefulness of the Jews.

I mean, according to Holla Forums whites literally controlled the entire planet and got hijacked by a handful of Jewish intellectuals in under a century. That's some serious strength, doesn't matter if it's "not fair" or whatever.

How could they be competent to participate in local government?

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Because society needs to have style.

I get it now, propaganda.

But artists don't exist anymore. Cultural capitalism replaced all culture, remember?

Not when NazBol sorts it out.

'No' and a cubicle is still typically located in a workplace nigga unless you work from home. Just because most people don't work in a factory anymore doesn't mean they don't work at a workplace which can be organized. I work in retail for instance, which is one of the largest employers in the US.

Low union representation isn't inherent to the service economy–its by design. Right now the right is planning to attack public sector unions in order to disempower workers and strike hard on a source of fund-raising for the Left:theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/30/rightwing-alliance-unions-defund-defang

I haven't seen Trump make similar moves against the right to spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to go to college, LARP as a radical for a few years, and then go straight so as not to rock the boat at your white collar job.

Imo Fight for 15 has done far-more for the Left than any student LARPer group and it emerged among fast-food workers who people said couldn't or wouldn't organize.

In 2014 according to BLS statistics there were 21 million jobs in the manufacturing, mining, and agricultural sectors, so even if I was arguing for some caricature of 20th century Marxism/unionism where the focus was only on productive workers it wouldn't actually be such a bad thing.

It's getting pretty reddit in here. Let me guess, what's next 'read settlers'?

Egalitarian societies cannot be democratic, because The People are necessarily a closed aristocratic caste. Monarchy is democracy with one legal citizen. Don't agree? Stop redefining terms!