Rojava General: New Cyclical Maybe?

Daddy Putin wants a federated Syria and there's nothing al-Assad's neoliberal "Ba'athist" party can do about it

the only worthwhile thing to come out of rojava has been some of the reforms in gender and secularism and those are handled in a cringe as fuck way
rojava is a neo-liberal pawn

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so besides from crawling in raqqa and a standoff with turkey theres not much going on in rojava?

well some kurds tried to sperg out near a SAA enclave in the northeast near the turk border and attacked assyrians, but it ended pretty fast with one assyrian getting shot in the neck (and recovering) and over a dozen kurds getting arrested.
since youre yugo (looking at your flag there), id say you wouldnt have a problem reading the article
pravda.rs/2017/09/01/kurdi-udarili-na-asadove-saveznike-ima-poginulih-i-ranjenih-mapa/

twitter.com/leithfadel/status/903628852148273152

these clashes happen every few months, they're nothing major. just autists on both sides starting shit for nothing.

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Read the OP tbh

they were arrested by a syrian militia. i wouldnt know about the SDF, the sources were from a govt controlled area near Al-qamishli

Real tankies support Rojava

in political matters yes, but not on a wider scale of technical matters.

Leith is a pro government source

nazi hand signs
this is capitalism

And no society ever will

You talking about the syrian government?

NazBols, everyone.

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they used this salute for thousand of years in that area before hitler, it has no connection to nazism, western centric dumbshit american faggot

The fucking Incas had a commodity free centrally planned economy. I'm pretty sure if a stone age empire managed to do it a society with fucking super computers can too.

we are not reffering to the same sources
pravda.rs/2017/09/01/kurdi-udarili-na-asadove-saveznike-ima-poginulih-i-ranjenih-mapa/

thats a roman salute that arab kingdoms and citystates kept in formal use.
are you gonna hate on hindus next for using swastikas?

i dont see how this does anything for the debate

they did? can you post sauce, im genuenly interested in this.

also incas might not be a good society model with a strong clerical hirearchy and everything they did.

I'm actually interested in this. What is the history of this salute? Is it related to the ones that Roman Emperors would use?

I'm aware. I was honestly not sure what he was talking about if not that

It doesn't

As long as there is international trade there will be commodity production. And there will always be international trade.

ROO THROWS A HISSY FIT ON-CAMERA OVER ROJAVA.

ROO THROWS A HISSY FIT ON-CAMERA OVER ROJAVA.

youtube.com/watch?v=RaO2PnN1A20

NOT A DRILL.

Just look at the outright anger in his eyes. He is about to blow any second.

wtf is up with his hair?

He needs to grow up. A mohawk on a 19-year old looks okay, a mohawk on a man who's pushing 40 looks terrible.

shit opinion mate

If he lost like 120lbs and wore contacts you wouldn't think that.

Says the die-hard DPRK fanboy.

No. He honestly looks like trash. Doesn't help he's closer to my dad's age than mine (I'm 19).

Bump

Of course some faggot 19 yearld thinks someone who is in their late 30s might as well get a cane and rocking chair and wear their Dockers underneath their tits.

You won't think this by your late 20s even.

He needs to shave his mohawk and look like an actual professional if he wants to be taken seriously.

The Incas used what is now referred to as a "palace economy". Much like the primitive anarchism practiced by traditional hunter-gatherers, while it is not a desirable goal for modern socialists, it is helpful as a model to analyze for theoretical inspiration:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_economy
archive.is/hiQKy (Gawker story about the Incas)

Why should Rojavan workers care about Syrian sovereignty? Why shouldn't they ally with whomever, and take the guns from whoever, to guarantee their own material self-interest?
What is the Syrian government offering them? What are they doing about the Turkish bombardments and the invasion of Afrin?

It all basically seems to come down to "Syrian workers should STFU and sacrifice themselves for the interests of the Assad family and their business allies.".

Spooky.

>The timing of Assad's speech also coincides with a referendum on independence called by the Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq, which has received complaints from Iraq, the United States, and most notably Turkey. Turkey in specific believes the referendum will bring instability to the region. A potential worry it may have is it's fear of emboldening the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria, what Kurds call "Rojava", and a potential spillover onto its own Kurdish population in the South-East.
If DemConFed dual power actually takes off beyond Rojava, the asshurt is gonna be the stuff of legends.

how is rojava leftist in any real way? Co ops with women pretending to be soldiers isn't socialism

It's funny because none of this was even necessary.
If Saddam hadn't massacred the Kurds, if Erdogan hadn't blown up the peacetalks, if Iran hadn't cracked down on the PJAK, if Assad had just been willing to cooperate in full… none of this would have happened.

Why are leaders in the Middle East so incompetent?

Or even better: What happened to all the Nassers, Khameneis and Ataturks?

Read the OP

Because they care about maintaining their own power first and foremost. It turns out when you create autocratic forms of government, autocrats act in their own interests instead of the people's

Here's an article to be included in the next OP
kurdishquestion.com/article/3896-rojava-039-s-revolutionaries-internationalists-or-narrow-nationalists

There's a difference between acting in your own interests, and shooting yourself in the foot. Erdogan's play is somewhat understandable, but what the hell is up with Assad?

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1 filthy k*rd roach got killed and ? lol

this, ypg is nationalist

youtube.com/watch?v=fW6lnmx0ETw

They also used it on a ridiculously large scale than anyone else ever got near

What is the Syrian government offering them?
everything they had to even begin with

syria and russia stationed troops near the albab pocket to act as a buffer zone but americans got sweaty

because they get played either way

what do you mean

Rojava isn't actually called Rojava. Officially it's called the democratic federation of northern Syria.

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maybe the Reason the mainly Arabic Syrians dont want to live in rojava is because rojava is a kurdish ethno-state? and its annexing land where kurds have never lived?
just fucking maybe…
in group preference exists?

There's likely more Arabs than Kurds in SDF controlled areas at this stage.

But there also socialist. YPG is nazbol.

The siege of Deir-Ez-Zor is almost over. The black arrows show how the SAA can end the siege.

Daesh will be annihilated very shortly in DeZ because SAA will be pushing from inside DeZ and outside it too. Also SAA are throwing their best units at it too.

Peshmerga committed a massive warcrime yesterday and executed about 400 ISIS prisoners on the spot but it made ISIS fanboys seethe with butthurt so it was worth it

twitter.com/MorocanArab/status/904083178348040192

twitter.com/MorocanArab/status/904084436584730624

Executing ISIS prisoners isn’t a warcrime. It was never a warcrime to kill nonhuman animals.

see

So less than nothing

Read Abdullah Öcalan they are literally the farthest you can get from nationalism

yeah, god just formed kurds from the sand in 2016.

Which for most Kurds and minorities in the region meant an impoverished subsistence existence. One where people don't even have plumbing or toilet paper, little to no access to education, and where taking a weekly shower or eating meat is considered an extravagant luxury.
Does that sound like a reasonable standard of living to you?

cooperativeeconomy.info/the-economy-of-rojava/

al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/08/turkey-syria-kurds-fear-improved-ties-ankara-washington.html

>An official of the Kurdish nationalist Democratic Union Party (PYD) from Raqqa told Al-Monitor by phone: “After they are liberated, the people of Raqqa will decide their status. We are simply helping them. I think Raqqa will be a Kurdish entity outside the federation, like Sheikh Maksoud in Aleppo.”

So workers should accept capitalist exploitation because some among them decide to be massive classcucks?
I guess I should just abandon socialism altogether then, as a lot of people seem more than happy to believe in the bootstrap myth and SWEAT pledges.

The salute was taken from the French, either Vichy France or before then. Personally, I believe the 'Roman' salute is actually a french invention so, for me, it makes sense that it was introduced into Syrian and Lebanese military routine.
Don't believe Israeli or liberal propaganda that "Oh Vey! Hezbollah are coping the nazis!" The salute has little to no connection to the nazis, at least not in Syrian and Lebanese culture; it merely a gesture to authority. Hell even the MMC uses the salute.

twitter.com/MaoistRebelNews/status/904402057582522369

OH SNAP!

SIEGE OF DEZ BROKEN

Mises absolutely BTFO.

How is this not used as an argument against 'muh economic calculation problem' more often?

thats just glorious

as far as SDF vs ISIS is concerned the war is very, very nearly over. Kobani to Raqqa. been a helluva journey.

SAA command announced the siege is broken via loudspeakers in the city, people are taking to the streets

best thing in syria all summer

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ISIS is destroyed.

Kurds weren't even considered citizens m8.

they were. dont count the migrants from turkey and iraq.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Syria#Human_rights_of_Kurds

Most retarded thing I've read all day.

Al Jazeera is headed by Qatari Royal Family members and if Qatar is pathetic enough to think making enemies with Rojava, the International Left, Assad, the alt-right, and basically anyone who isn't an Islamist while somehow parroting liberal platitudes as their justification for national interests (see, Islamism). They didn't disclose their close alliance with Turkey, and that their own fucking country enslaves 90% of the population and is a Sharia state which puts apostates to death.

daily reminder

so?
just because a piece of land is seized dosent mean the people in that land want to be part of the occupying forces country

except thats not whats happening
all the kurdish nationalists leaders openly claim all this land will be part of the kurdish state
hes claimng that Raqqa a place with a small kurdish population will be a "kurdish entity" dosent that sound a bit nationalistic
b t w
no bias there ehh?

of what? that hes winning?

ok.
ok.

you americans never change

apparently riots are springing up allover dierezzor and celebrating

twitter.com/JPY_Kurdish/status/904516388580196352

So where are your sources?

twitter.com/KalebPrime/status/904588273594531840

Only 6000 out of hundreds of thousands were later given citizenship m8. The entire reason for the census was to disenfranschise the kurdish population by their own admission

Bullshit. Where is your citation?

better YPG than ISIS. what, do you suggest we head there ourselves? then what?

lol, yeah they are definitely not the anarchists the media paints them as being.

what do you think will happen after Daesh gives up and Turkey cools it for a bit? Lots of nationalized industry? more hospitals getting built?

anfenglish.com/rojava/former-euphrates-shield-group-joined-sdf-21916

twitter.com/AllyOfTruth/status/904690607133786113

More defections from ES to SDF. Apparently turkey cut ES salaries recently so this will only continue

They've never claimed to be anarchist, but this doesn't make them nationalists either. There explicitly a form of communalism, and if anyone here actually read apo or just listened to the pyds own stated goal they would know that

That’s what they deserve for using mercenaries.

tough shot without americans

In DFSNS or in Syria in general? Hopefully the dual power can proliferate itself throughout the rest of Syria, but beyond that I'm not sure. DFSNS has a lot of work to do in regards to their economy, but development won't take the form of nationalization but "cooperatization" or municipalization of the economy.

building advanced infrastructure would definetly require them to ask for aid from somewhere. building housing isnt a problem, but technological infrastructure, especially medicinal is a major problem in this scenario. also the rest of syria is definetly under a sway of assads populism, and theyd meet anything else with hostility

I think you overestimate assad's support. His support is contingent on the simple basis that he's not an islamist and most people would prefer tyranny and stability than tyranny and instability. However, a problem is bound to arise when people are faced with a new prospect, a new dynamic that the DFSNS embodies. And this is the entire point of a dual power, to threaten the legitimacy of the current status quo and offer an alternative.

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For one, it was not a central planned economy, because it was an subsistence agricultural society and local communities were mostly self-sufficient, so the palace just collected and redistributed the surplus. In those times, climate and what seeds were available mostly determined what was grown.

Lastly, its what has led to monarchy.

what the fuck are you even talking about?
i was saying that its hard to build infrastructure and you start circlejerking about some quasi-political shit

why does that thing not have tits or something

what? syria isnt like iraq was after saddam. people genuinly support the goverment and the army in syria, especialy after victories in 2016. and i doubt theyll just naively bite bait about some ideology from rojava, who in the eyes of many, betrayed syria by siding with the US that caused all the harm they went through.
anyone that was still interested in toppleing assad is either on a green bus or in some pocket or area like idlib or rojava

WTF?

I was responding to this assertion, don't get your knickers in a bunch. In regards to building infrastructure, they've been proving to do that quite well despite their circumstances.

Because it's a trap.

A lot of false premises here. If people genuinely supported the government then why do areas liberated keep choosing to join the DFSNS? What isn't there to like about democratic autonomy and mutualism that the DFSNS offers, contrasted with the sort of authoritarian ethno-state that saw most of these arabs (and kurds) marginalized? People on the ground there not motivated by some absurd appeal to "anti-imperialism", they care about not being under the rule of ISIS and that means taking weapons and support from whomever offers it. This includes Russia as well, mind you.

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capturing a city is harder than open land. just one guy with a dragunov on the roof can stall an offensive move for hours. even if they find him he can easily move (especially with all the tunnels isis built) and gain an advantage in another building.
for reference see Israel-Gaza conflict. specifically 2014 war.

like who? the rebels running from around albab?
america.
they care about getting their lifes back on track like before the war.

thats rich

I want to make a bridge between this general and the Syria general on 4chan.
Drop down a few paragraphs for me to copy there and establish an embassy.

Most people also prefer wage slavery over a long revolutionary war, yet here we are, posting on leftypol.

Is "Bookchin" Bakunin?

if Rojava is truly based on socialism and direct democracy, it will never be allowed to survive.
Just like Republican Spain. Neoliberals will rather support Assad in destroying it than to risk success, people might get the wrong idea.

Someone posted in article in the last thread regarding local tribes within liberated territory choosing to join the federal system. Manbij and other liberated territories already made similar choices long ago despite being non-kurdish. America had nothing to do with the project despite providing weapons and supplies so I don't see why people on the ground there are really inclined to care. DFSNS is helping them to get their life back on track and then some so I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here besides being anti-america, which in itself is not a bad thing but it seems as though you think people care more about being anti-america then getting their lives back on track, which a the moment america is helping them to do by helping them to fight ISIS.

I'm not sure what you mean by that

I don't see why that's really an argument against it, since were all socialists here anyways despite the fact that we face incredible odds in achieving such a sysytem

"No"

are you serious or?

Hello, Antifa, Commies, Obama, and other assorted scoundrels.

We demand that you focus on negotiating with Assad and demanding secularist concessions.

Your autonomy will not be granted.

Signed, Russkie occupant.

yeah no. theres already posters jumping between this and /sg/, and leftypols idealism wont mix with /sg/ cold rational practicality

so your point is were just circlejerking right?

but neoliberals supported the FSA and now support SDF, because assad is too soveregein. economists and generals in the pentagon dobt give a fuck about what someone beleives, they care about who does what and for who. noone in DC gives a fuck if someone reads Marx, as long as hes fighting their enemies

hi Holla Forums
are you the ambassador?

I guess so. I came here because I got banned in one of the latest DeZ threads.

Assad isn't "too sovereign", he's beholden to Iran and Russia and before that he had no problem working with america and towards american interests.

Hi Holla Forums

What a fucking rarity.

"Cold rational practicality" just means maintaining the status quo in this case, as if anything is going to change for the better by having Assad in power, as if these despots with their own nationalistic and imperialist interests don't often cause a lot of instability in the region by themselves and usually supported by one global power or another. Nothing is practical about keeping this dynamic in place

Another good one is

Do these people just have an irrational complex against America? Or what?

Most definitely. It's really pretty absurd given lenin's position on imperialism. Honestly, it's fair to say that such M-Ls are complete revisionists.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_defeatism

I posted like once though. Technically racism is also bannable but the rules are arbitrarily enforced. Like right now they're banning me just to remove clutter on DeZ threads.

were you the homo with shit memes and damage control?

It's pretty wired for Maoists to be like that and I have have no idea why those people are a thing.
If you support Russian imperialism, you're a fucking revisionist.

syria wasng to iran anf russia what poland or south korea are to the US. and claiming someone isnt sovereging while criticising their unmanipulated foregein policy is paradoxical

syria wasnt to iran and russia what poland or south korea are to the US. and claiming someone isnt sovereign while criticising their unmanipulated foregein policy is paradoxical

not pol and not an argument

so whats practical about supporting rojava?

do you have a cognitive bias?

they have dierezzor threads? i tought they have a syria general and then everything related goes in there.

isnt this a pol meme?

yeah, some bald french guy that pol watches has a copyright on the phrase.
also not an argument

Their foreign policy is constantly being manipulated, that's my point. It's easy to manipulate despots like Assad because of their nationalist and imperialist interests. People like Assad constantly make faustian bargains that always lead to either their overthrow or their subordination to their "allies". It happened to Saddam, it's happening right now to Assad.

I'm not making an appeal to practicality, you are. In terms of it being practical to the people on the ground, I think the facts show that the DFSNS has done a lot to empower the people then Assad has.

I try not to

he died :(

No lol.

Referring to how /sg/ will be full of HAPPENING for a day.

F

F

twitter.com/arisroussinos

Aris was just in Raqqa with SDF and is cranking out some good tweets

kek

F

That was very amateurish, you don't run through a field of fire like that, but rather you have a guy stay back and do suppressive fire towards the suspected enemy positions while the rest of the team run to cover, from which they then cover the advance of the guy that stayed behind.

Except that for the peshmerga and the PMUs the only thing that's necessary for someone to be "Isis" is that anyone claim they are and that they be a Sunni Arab male.

No.
They're way different people.
Google him.

Shehid Namirin!

F :((

Peshmerga also likes to force confessions of having been child soldiers out of kids in the refugee camps

twitter.com/nashalabi/status/904067819842801665
375-400 daesh apparently surrendered and got executed. Maybe it's my bias but they don't seem like random sunni males. Suspected and confirmed daesh usually get questioned. The massive scale of this summary execution doesn't seem to warrant them being innocent civilians. Peshmerga sure as shit would not risk their relation with their American puppeteer or Baghdad over a simple genocide of Sunni arabs (when majority of kurds there are sunni themselves.)
The fact that the reports say "captured" and "surrendered" would make sense seeing how ISIS just collapsed in Syria. At worst some of them could have been mere collaborators. Not to be utilitarian but this was dope. Get the lube, comrades.
Sad if anyone of them was innocent. Not going to lie, I wish YPJ would execute daesh at scales like this instead of having the councils pardoning a lot of them as a constructive and restoration process.
Biji berxwedana kurd u Kurdistan

A high-ranking Arab FSA commander also defected stating criminal behaviour such as looting and extortion throughout the faction as a reason. Turkey usually champions the reconstruction there as propaganda but their turkish mula can't hide their corruption. Kuzz omak Erdogan that water melon seller gowad bin kelb

Kinda old news but I'll just leave this here. Looks like the regime is okay with leaving some oil fields to the SDF.

The line in DEZ province won't stand. SAA dogs have already broken the siege. And DEZ council of DFNS haven't even mobilized on that front yet.

As your ambassador from /sg/, I'd pick green if I were pro-Rojava.

The partition line is unofficial. The SAA is not attacking Rojava at the moment, yes. Russia has said it will shoot down US aircraft assisting Rojava south of the Euphrates, yes. Russia is not enforcing this in the Tabqa region, yes. The USA has said it will shoot down Russian aircraft and bomb Syrian forces north of the Euphrates, yes. But Russia has also given portable bridges to cross the Euphrates to the SAA.

Link?

twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/898884651804241920

so wait youre saying their problem is that neither side can manipulate them enough to make them a proxy and then thats not having a sovereign foregein policy? looks like youre just trying to complain or something.

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looks like we have a NEET couchgeneral from america here

lol

al-monitor.com/pulse/en/originals/2017/09/pkk-sulaymaniyah-kurdistan-iraq-turkey-spy.html

Oh shit apparently PKK have footage of them capturing the two MIT agents.

Read more: al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/09/pkk-sulaymaniyah-kurdistan-iraq-turkey-spy.html#ixzz4rtaSi3DU

what do tankies think about the PKK? Are they just US puppets like Rojava or are they Cool Anti-Imperialist™?

Iraqi security forces and PMU did tons of dubious executions in Mosul and the US never batted an eye. The KRG executes daesh after trial and probably does summary executions anyway so this isn't much of a jump. There's even a weird video of the pesh shooting some guy in a building through a window 10ft away, obviously just set up a prisoner for the cameras

The US replied to SCWmap and confirmed that there is a line going from somewhere south of Tabqa to somewhere around DeZ, not the whole way down the Euphrates though

twitter.com/CizireCanton/status/905405376597721088
Confirmed by the Russian MoD, they also have a base further North near Afrin city

twitter.com/arisroussinos/status/905170296319115265
It's working

YPG and PKK are basically the same organization the rebrand to YPG was to drop the terrorist label
in all honest the YPG and PKK are the same

not that thats a bad thing

wait i take that back i was all mixed up ignore everything i posted

Love how everyone is saying Aris is a YPG propagandist and that there's no Arabs in YPG or SDF. Some people will never acknowledge that YPG are true to their ideology.

No, I'm saying that they're constantly being made into proxies of one side or another. How is this at all soverignty if you're having to give up your soverignty to one power or another in order to remain in power? Constantly being somebodies bitch isn't soverignty, even if you trade one pimp for another.

Stating that i wasn't originally making an appeal to practicality doesn't mean that i couldn't. This is not the same as saying there's nothing practical. Stop being a pedant

anfenglish.com/rojava/nine-al-nusra-members-killed-as-warplanes-hit-a-convoy-21955

Coalition targetting HTS in Idlib. Can imagine Afrin SDF attacking Idlib with coalition support at some point

Oh shit boys, Afrin looks safe. Game over for Erdogan and his mercenary misfits?

Out maneuvered by PYD to the east and west. Not they're stuck. Glorious.

Glorious video of the YBS elite units featuring Resident Evil OST

youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=qKDAapB4EHs

erdogan made a deal with russia and syria not to advance into afrin and to cease supporting ISIS and FSA in return for military aid from russia after the US sponsored coup in 2016.
afrin alone is not that significant to turkey and its anti-PKK operations, compared to southeast turkey and rojava beneath it.
russians and syrians dont want rojava top become an american foothold, so they try to get on the better side of the DFSNS, but because americans need a foothold, and because turkey cant stand a defacto kurd state there, russia cant make much progress with cooperating with rojava

On that note, how do you guys balance your support for Rojava with the fact it's American-backed? Social-imperialism?

aw jesus man there's been literally hundreds of posts in these threads constantly arguing back and forth over this very issue

Them accepting help hasn't made their policies neo-liberal or their own goals imperialist so i could care less who they take weapons from tbh.

Figures.

One pro-Rojava namefag on Holla Forums said it's "blatant Imperialism," toting the US military bases in Rojavan territory. I understand your stance though.

Are there any good documentaries on Ocalan himself?

The military bases are a contentious issue, and if they really do have plans for permanent bases then I have an issue with that. With that said, Salih said that there are no plans to keep them so I'm taking his word for it for now.

Not sure tbh. Best thing you can do is read the man himself though. Prison writings is the place to start

nessocary evils

SDF specifically Deir Ezzor Military Council will launch an operation within the next few days to clear DeZ province from ISIS.

How much butthurt will be generated if the SDF liberates more of the city than SAA I wonder

i doubt theyd dare enter itwith both NDF, SAA and tigers there

They won't go for the city but they'll go for everything north of it including the oil fields.

American imperialism is never an evil necessary nor tolerable

joeylshop.com/

Joey L just put up a banging hour long documentary about Sinjar, PKK and YBS. And a shorter one about the Raqqa operation too.

i dont think you know how the "two evils" term works

Namefags are almost always wrong.

This, except oilfields are mostly to the east/SE of DeZ city, still north of the Euphrates though. Dez is all on the south bank but the SAA were pictured with boats today

Talk about being an alarmist.

airstrikes on markadah in preparation for DeZ offensive. announcement is a matter of hours some say.

twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/905425177818914816

don't see how that's true but it looks like theyll be investing significant manpower in this.

mobile.twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/906091340345339905

This happens regulary but it must be one of the biggest hauls ever. Shitloads of nice anti tank missles.

talk about being mentally rerarded

all the money is on the oilfields now, wonder how the PMU will act, they might go across the border if a deal is reached with damascus

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What does that have to do with the posts I was responding to?

attemping to refute something

refute a point that nobody was making?

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I'm not sure how creting a strawman lof a point nobody was making refutes that point your addressing m8

what dont you understand?

southfront.org/us-led-coalition-will-not-allow-syrian-army-to-cross-euphrates-river-reports/

everybody is grabbing oil money apparently

wow what men of the people ehh?

this is not about ethnicity, it's about curriculum. PYD are removing Baathist curriculum, and they're cracking a few eggs in the process. (you're taking this from a source who literally supports ISIS and views Kurds as subhuman btw)

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so porky is rallying up for ypg genocide, what can be done?

lolwut? Sauce?

Big gains by SDF in the north and east of deir ezzor

I am tremendously enjoying all the Baathist ree'ing in response to SDF blitzing DeZ province.

theye blitzing for oilfields like the US planned

why wouldn't they take oilfields?

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they need oilfields to sell oil and drilling rights to the US, which was the whole point of the SDF besides partitioning syria and crippleing its post-war economy

theres other newsources than twitter alot more reliable ones too

the US does not need Syria's oil.

they dont NEED it, but they can and will exploit it.

Not being ironic here.
I keep hearing about ethnic cleansing of non-kurds in Rojava. Is this just a meme or is there evidence to collaborate this claim?

corroborate' this claim

This meme needs to die

It's a meme. Literally no proof

yes 100% but in their defense the non-kurd babies are trying to kill them so its selfdefence

Yeah because they are going to be able to sell oil to the US with an embargo placed on them. Most oil production is for international use or funds from some smuggling of it.

and it's a great thing to have in post war negotiations too.the more vital infrastructure like dams and oil and gas that SDF has the more leverage they have.

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Why would you support a government whose entire existence relies on the Sykes-Picot agreement if you're an "anti-imperialist"? How can you Balkanize a nation that has never existed in the first place?

The actual original allegations were of collective punishment via home demolition, claimed victims were actually plurality kurdish: not actually accused of ethnic cleansing by anyone except straight up liars.
Plus, Amnesty ended up going "yup all those demolitions they said were military necessity were in fact military necessity, sucks that isis mined your homes to the point that it wasn't worth attempting to clear out."

A random thought I haven't seen discussed much elsewhere: What would be the prospects of the SDF expanding over the border into Iraq? Is the situation there chaotic enough where they would be received favorably by the local (non-Kurdish) population? How hostile is the Iraqi central government? What are the chances of the KRG's internal politics swinging toward Rojava soon?

whats next, a FOXNEWS article?

how stupid are you?

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both syria and iraq were doing good before the US came to fuck it all up, despite the dictators. and the issue of perpetual war and humanitarian crisis isnt even the main problem, the main problem is enabling the US to keep doing what they do.
syria already formed a national identity by the way.

The PCDK was never very popular, you'd really have to see some sort of rapprochement between the Demconfeds. The fact that there are already strong kurdish parties and armed forces in iraqi kurdistan basically prevents the situation that leads to the importance in Syria and Turkey, where they're basically the only ones that manage not to get crushed when inevitably made illegal.

Turkroaches are turkroaches, but Arabs are a thousand times worse. The fall of the Ottomans was a mistake.

all of iraqs wars had heavy US involvement, and syria was a benevolent agressor keeping israel at bay. and in case youre not up to date with the political situation in iraq, everything would end up perfectly fine if the US and israel completely withdrew their involvement and support in the regional conflict.

but no, instead youll have them funding kurd and sunni extremist militias that will drag iraq into another civil war.

Iraq would completely collapse again if the US withdrew again.

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wrong. the new goverment with a strong influence from iran, former baathists and the former mahdi army have proven, with the PMU, that they can and intend to govern iraq without the US. thats why the US is putting its money on former IS and alqaeda sunnis to start revolting, not to mentio the kurds.

ok.

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you mean like what the west is doing to syria and iraq
also like the west is doing? and like the kurds are doing for "muh baathist corriculum"

its about as bad as enlisting in CPUSA
also

The people claiming ethnic cleansing were using Amnesty as a source. See

How long tell ISIS in Syria get’s split into another pocket.

Lenin would be spinning in his grave if he wasn't a glorified wax figure.

DFSNS is imperialist for trying to spread over syria

you're a retard

not an argument, cry me a river

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

THE BALLSACK MANEUVER

KYS

whats that link supposed to do? imperialism is tge highest stage of capitalism, and accordingly the US is imposing hegemony via SDF. and imperialism isnt limited to only capitalist countries if that was your point.

destroy israel
support assad
bring real socialism to the region, not american "federalism" which is literally just a sunni kurdish ethno state that wants to be america 2.0 and pretends to be ideologically motivated.

they are just an ethnic group of people who want their own ethno state because they are mad at arabs, when in actuality there has never been a kurdish ethno state. the country is syria and has always been syria. nationalism is a cancer and so are the "kurds". who are still the only group of people in the middle east who circumsize their women btw

Someone could replace you guys with a bot and no one would be able to tell the difference

still retarded

i know right, how rerarded do you have to be to become a US proxy and think your revolution will last longer than the US needs you

ok.

this is like a neoliberal centrist trying to critique any leftist thought

Receiving arms from another nation to fight a common enemy does not equate to the former accepting and adopting the latters economic system and political system. They are a proxy for american interest in the region, just like the regime is a proxy for russian and iranian interest. But this doesn't mean the SCW doesn't have its own dimensions that are independent from the geopolitical side of the conflict. As a heval from the IFB said in an interview with stim "-to say that it should have been refused is equivalent with saying that more of us should have died."
I would also like to note that Èfrin canton cooperates with the russians and not the americans which contradicts the 'murican puppet' narrative. At the end of the day we are seeing an alliance between two different factions to defeat fascism, much like WW2 if you will. Any ideological puritan here is insane if they seriously think that turning down free ATGM's and small arms is a good choice when fighting a veteran fanatical force. The YPG existed before the SCW, back when the star was yellow and the only weapons were some old AK's that came from a small number of local families. Let's not forget that the YPG/J's parent organization, who have also contributed considerable manpower, is officially in direct conflict with America.

i see.

Definitely a retard

Wow, yeah, getting military aid from the USA sure is a reliable indicator.

prettymuch.

state and paramilirary actors arent exactly on the same level. abd when you put the aid into the context of itself youre carte blance fallacy falls apart. and when did tge US support khomeini? they sold some equipment to iran to fund co tras but thats it

Literally every one of them except Stalin and Khomeini was a US proxy before they seized power over any state. As for later US funding to Iran, they had US (among others, including directly from Israel) aid during the Iran-Iraq War.

Log off and don't come back until you a book, dumb nigger.

mondediplo.com/2017/09/05rojava

anyone has a link for the full article?

i think you switched letters at the end of the country names. iran still had loads of US equipment anc supplier contracts after the revolution, but certainly not US political backing.
and others, ho chi min for example, were allies of convinience, not US footholds to launch local hegemoney ovef respective regions.
ive bought and read enough books to know exactly what will come out of the kurdish little social experiment and the region.

what kind of a retard makes an account on Holla Forums? i tought this premium membership meme was just for people that spend all day shitposting and are too lazy to solve a captcha once a day

but, id also like you to explain how is this social experiment and the gamble on its potential future worth having tge US terrorise the region for a few decades more now that its hegemoney was getting bogged down.
anf i mean explain, not start some autistic implications and strawmans

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i never mentioned it does in my post. but speaking of which, they are, and people here went

anyway good job adressing any point i made in the post.

the entire premise of your posts is absurd. It equates the DFSNS with right wing governments (without actually making any case as to why it is besides taking weapons) and imply that the US is going to terrorize the region using DFSNS (as if the DFSNS has done anything close to that so far). You're a retard, flag related

fix your shit codemonkey

The US (both directly and through its allies) funneled weapons into both sides of the Iran-Iraq war depending on who was winning.
Aside from the better remembered alliance of convenience against Japanese Axis occupation, the US under FDR was leaning against French colonial interests in favor of a more independent Vietnam likelier to trade with us over the French, and in fact the Vietnamese communists were at the time inclined toward a constitutional monarchy using the US as intermediaries in negotiations against the French.
The US is far from the only catalyst of strife there. As long as Russian, Chinese, European and other interests (including the geopolitically unaligned sheer flow of oil money) keep stirring the pot even a little, the status quo of continual dictatorship and bloodshed will continue. What's needed is a solid kernel of secularism and democracy to undo the malign effects of Cold War meddling (especially NATO, but the USSR's best efforts invariably turned out as tinpot dictatorships, too, even if more secular). Rojava is the best prospect we've had since the pre-WWII days of endemic modernist reformers and socialist/labor organization in the Mideast for that to happen.

Post sauce, fag.

WTF, "invalid flag selection"!?

ok.
see
you can click on post number links to see their discussion, in case youre ignorant or just plain stupid

in practical terms from a world perspective yes.
in case youve been following the syrian war since 2016 like the rest of naive dumbasses that circlejerk in these threads the SDF was a plan B in case the FSA and overthrowing assad failed. to put it as simple as it gets, the US went along the lines "if assad doesent lose syria, then he will atleast lose some of it"
why exactly do you think theyre there then? to fight the boogeyman they helped create?
what flag, are you too retarded to properly use those?

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because they wanted a war of attrition to weaken both countries to make them request for further US support. whats your point
the US was expanding its monopoly on southeast asia, and the fall of european colonialism was at hand. and the US support was apparently so good that Hochimin had to turn to the soviets and chinese after the war was over.
so far theyre the only force to have so many coups, invasions and terrorism funding under their belt.
like what was developing in syria before the US came to bring "democracy"?
you seem to forget that the region under the sykes-picot borders and ethnic sectarian tension wont just have everyone get along. as history proved, these states were the most stable when a strongman was in power, not when some dumbass from half the world away tought it woulod be a good idea to force "democracy" upon them.
baathism was alot more potential and then succesful. so no.
also
you cannot effect the region in any way as it can not effect you. so i dont know what youre talking about.
not to mention that this argument is on the level

That Iran is yet another example of American "imperialism" "working"
That was more due to the French twisting the US's arm, and a change in leadership within the US. Also:
>turn to the soviets after the war was over
>turn to the chinese for support
Did you… Did you just say that… READ A FUCKING BOOOOOOK!!
House of Saud FTW?
The "Ba'athism" that took power in Syria and Iraq was a reactionary front against the more genuinely progressive Nasserism (not to mention actual communist, anarchist, and labor unionist groups, who they ruthlessly murdered from CIA-provided lists). And Syria had been a decaying tinpot kleptocracy indistinguishable from any other regional dump.
Any success for socialism around the world will bolster other efforts. Also, the Mideast has been the primary justification of global militarism since the Cold War, so stabilizing it will strike a blow against the malign influence of the MIC on global politics.

but the US didnt try to turn iran into a vassal state after the revolution. they just wanted to drain it and push it behind a negotiating table if possible.
it as because the communists were now representing a threat to the west
what, are you a grammar nazi?
are you sure about that?
i meant ww2. the war in vietnam was not limited to the frames of ww2, much like china
take your xanax or whatever it is autists eat and you read a book.
saudis are a strongman and they are a US ally. dont really know what you were implying here.
infrastructure, the secular state, economy, social welfare, housing, education, medicine, that sort of stuff
syria and egypt formed a union state that didnt hold up. the baath party thus split into regional branches. baathism wasnt against nasserism.
baathism was both against the soviet version of ML and against reactionary and acpitalist systems, opting for the third way, which was why they joined the unaligned movement under yugoslavia. the communists supported the baatha party, they still do to this day, with an exception in iraq, which had a political power struggle that had nothing to do with "muh ideology", and the US just kicked in to get a piece of the pie.
anarchists are a fucking joke so i dont know why you mentioned them.
syria was the most advanced of the non-US alligned arab states and pioneered in medicine, tourism and trade. it was alot better than anything they could have been without selling out for petrodollars.
im sure youre working on a revolution in your local country right now and not just LARPing right?
and keeping the US in the region will defeat the complex how exactly?

With ISIS removed, but both the US and Russia dug in, are they locked in a stalemate in Syria? It's better than nothing but I suppose.

youtube.com/watch?v=HBTdYD_jHBs

jasonbutthurt is at it again.

rt.com/news/402995-syria-us-deir-ez-zor-oil/
oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Russias-Big-Bet-On-Kurdish-Oil.html

take your bets, who do you think will get the oil, USA or Russia?

pri.org/stories/2017-09-13/some-americans-conflict-syria-spanish-civil-war-our-time

Isn't this basically a junta, except localized?

I'm pretty sure every single one of them has transferred over to a civilian council as soon as they think they can get away with it

I'm having a hard time taking this seriously

kurds will sell theirs to the US, syria will just develop their market and boycott the US and trade oil for anything but dollars.

so basically just LARPing with no results like the spanish war

the first video is a joke right? its cringy AF

absokuetly mad max

You just keep proving to me how much of a retard you are.

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i dont have to prove anything, im just stating the facts, and if youre a biased retard then too bad.

ftfy. I'm glad that we both can agree that you're a retard

And use it as a catspaw to punish Saddam
Not really, like I said, Vietnamese communists were initially open to an independent democratic constitutional monarchy, and remained genuinely open to it right up until the US shunned them and the French came down hard on independence. Much like Cambodia, which I'll mention in a second
God DAMN you are either a good troll, or one unbelievably illiterate brainlet! Communists in Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh came down firmly on the Russian side of the Sino-Soviet Split, with extensive military backing from the USSR including illegal (thus "secret") Russian boots on the ground. Further, not only did they invade and topple Pol Pot's Maoist Chinese/crypto-American puppet regime in Cambodia while fighting the US, but after the US pulled out, Vietnam was invaded by China (who got their asses kicked).
That one flavor of strongman leads to as many troubles as another
Like I said in the post you replied to, much revisionism happened between the foundation of Ba'athism and the only "Ba'athist" regimes to actually seize power (Syria & Iraq), which hunted down and slaughtered Nasserists, communists, etc.
We're not a backward failed dictatorship that, so I'm pursuing reformism and dual power strategies, just like Marx advised.
Keeping any external military powers in the region is bad, the region must be made capable of standing on its feet.

Sabotaging one genuine socialist revolution just wasn't enough, was it?

no, because iraq and lebanon are the next obvious targets.
the US already expressed support for the kurd seccession which the iran backed goverment supports. the last pro-kurd sunni preident is out, and the PMU is very iran-syria-leaning, so they reject further US meddling in the country. at the same time various sunni militas declared that after ISIS is gone they will fight against iran backed forces.
would syria have completely driven out the US and its proxies the US would greatly lose their ability to influence iraq, being limited to only the southwest sunni part of the country bordering on saudi arabia and jordan and the coastal city bases like Basra.
the civil war in iraq that the US started with its invasion will last for a few more decades.
lebanon meanwhile will have a faceoff between hezbollah, syria and iran and the part of the population that supports them, and the US/israel backed goverment parties and militias, and some sections of the army.

who sabotaged what now?

so you dont have any argumenst? almost as if youre a retard.

kek. Prove any of your claims and I'll stop calling you a retard, but you can't by your own admission. You'll just go in circles without actually providing anything substantive in your posts because you're incapable of producing anything substantive. You're entire argument is based upon equating polar opposites as equivalent, and your best response to this obvious contradiction is "I don't have to prove anything". Pathetic.

yes, its what i said when i mentioned the attrition war
im sure the domino theory had nothing to do with it then
they did. the sino-soviet split happened in the 60s, and the chinese still accused the soviets of a too west friendly foregein policy and reactionary marxist revisionism and the denial to help the vietnamese, arabs, africans and others to acheive revolution.
before the split china supported hochimin and gave the USSR a landbridge for their support.
What happened after the sino-soviet split and in the rest of southeast asia in the second vietnam war doesent have much to do with the pacific theater of WW2 then does it
wrong.
and for the sake of the argument, if it does, how is more local strongmen better than one big one keeping the country together
revisionism happened because the union state didnt hold up and because of internal power struggles
those were on both sides, so you dropped the ball on that one.
syria isnt a failed dictatorship.
a) they were targeted by a coalition of foregein countries
b) the goverment is prettymuch still in power and succesfully waging a war allover the country with popular support
youre just sitting on your ass and putting an x in a box on a ballot every few years arent you you revisionist
excpet iran is a part of the region and iran kept syria and lebanon stable and safe from any western color revolutions and civil wars.
it did before the US came to fuck everything up.

congratiolations.

southfront.org/kurdish-peshmerga-deploys-forces-in-kirkuk-city-to-opress-resistance-to-upcoming-independence-referendum/

KRG tho

anattemptwasmade.jpg

relevant tho

Rojava is socdem. Stop trying to insert yourself into the first socdem revolution.

To Northern Syria?

>>>/reddit/

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not an anwser, even less an argument

Hey autistic guy, did you know that some things aren't arguments, and thus don't get responded to by arguments? Fuck off to 4pol if you want """""arguments""""

take your botox or xanax or whatever you spastics take and anwser the questions

The answer is your mother, nerd.

CIA thread

how old are you, 15?

You do realize that barzani and pyd are hostile to one another right? Why bother posting when you're this politically illiterate

pdf file: wetransfer.com/downloads/9223652b7b9c69c094d061872a9ec7a320170914173828/6115cd

based

fixd

Hello, Jason.

he's right though

I love how they say
to get the attention of liberals lol

theyll ally under the US when both iraq and turkey, along with syria start pushing pressure on them. the thing keeping them apart is power struggle, not some bullshit ideological principals.

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Nigga can't you do anything more than make speculative statements with no proof to back them up?

its pretty obvious. alot more obvious than fanfictions about the dfsns kicking out americans and spreading their control over the rest of syria

not surprising

id bet you a value of 5 federal reserve notes backed by the petrodollars system which the DFSNS is practically defending.

news is coming up that after ISIS beat back SDF forces and syrian forces along with russian specops crossed to the other bank that the latter established perimiter inside some of the oilfields and rafineries east of DeZ and are now waiting for regular troops to establish a solid corridor.

that would also mean ISIS is now encircled along the euphrates from Raqqa to DeZ

Source?

Think they'll actually succeed?

twitter.com/Reuters/status/908787545307271168
Oh lordy. I can already taste the salt

So the belgian government reached its last appeal on "let us declare the PKK terrorists." PKK is officially engaging in legitimate warfare according to at least one government.

SAA just bombed the YPG.

they already crossed while the SDD was pushed back by IS.
the SDF cant do shit on the ground unless they know the US is gonna give them CAS.

youtu.be/nZIL7hE2UD4?t=30m19s
rt.com/news/403296-oil-fields-syria-army/

this is like reading one of Obamas "red line for russia" statements

now in HD

see

it was the russians, not SAA. they were letting them know that DeZ oilfields are off limits for america.

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Looks like it's over. It was fun whilst it lasted.

aldorars.com/en/news/1629

Every time you say this the SDF becomes stronger.

Hopefully the SDF turn up to that meeting the Russians wanted them at.

What's the source on that? Can't find anything on syriancivalwarmap or liveua

It's bs. SAA never crossed the Euphrates

Can't say I'm terribly surprised

it was officially stated as linked here
more over heres more
anfenglish.com/features/sipan-hemo-an-attack-on-our-forces-is-support-for-isis-22153

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If it's true then prove it faggot.

Why hasn't either website (SCWM and liveua) reflected this change yet?

are you illiterate?
are you having a hard time reading the thread?

ask them

Read the articles yourself you mong

watch the video, or do you just not want to accept it

She's claiming that they crossed. Looking through the video, I still don't see the source of and I haven't seen any kind of independent verification yet. The foreign minister claiming xyz isn't proof of anything fag.

I've been arguing with a politically retarded Indian that has a hard on for Assad who thinks the YPG is trying to overthrow Syria as a proxy for the US and that the YPG is going by other names and that every Kurd is the YPG. What am I supposed to do with that?

I found this old tweet if Roo's linking to an article, that's a gold mind of keks

twitter.com/MaoistRebelNews/status/847667976060915713

Returning back to the specific topic at hand, there is no precedent whatsoever for discussing the imagined historical connection that Chechens have to Syria (aside from the terrorist one over the past couple of years), but as for the Turks, this corresponds exactly to Erdogan’s Neo-Ottoman vision of the Mideast and plays perfectly into his plans to de-facto annex part of Syria on these grounds.

The reader should recall the earlier point which was made about the Turks about how the Kurds recognize them as being “genuinely legitimate” to Syria and that they also “cross boundaries: that is, the lands where they live do not begin or end at the state borders.” It’s not yet time to discuss the specific “federal” (internal partition) arrangement that the Kurds and their US-Israeli-Saudi-Turkish supporters have in mind for Syria, but it can be said at this point that it’s extremely amenable to the soft projection of Turkey’s Neo-Ottoman influence via the creation of a de-facto independent Turkish political entity on sovereign Syrian territory.

Apparently the SDF is now a Turkish-backed Neo-Ottoman group. It also has shit on how they are "Cultural Marxist"

Stop talking to him.

And nobody was surprised

He's spreading that around though. I'm just not sure how to correct him when he refuses to trust any site that is hosted in the US.

Point out how logically fallicious that is then, and make arguments not to convince him but third party observers.

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Reminder

whats going on there

southfront.org/russian-military-observed-no-fighting-isis-sdf-north-deir-ezzor-last-days/

It's the "ISIS and the SDF make secret deals" shit again.

so?

Obvious bullshit, same as them claiming that the SAA crossed the euphrates and that they didn't bomb the SDF

how do we know that youre not full of obvious bullshit?

Kek

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It's not about "wanting to believe", it's about the lack of convincing evidence required to believe. Stay butt mad tho

see

SAA Crossed the Euphrates, Kurds on suicide watch
youtube.com/watch?v=_lsptMAd8g0
youtube.com/watch?v=AYkSPg-KUv4
reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-army/syrian-army-sends-more-troops-across-euphrates-close-to-u-s-backed-forces-idUSKCN1BT2B9

how do you take seriously the russians?

SAA crossed the Euphrates and got an Island in Dier-Ez-Zor

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Interesting. I wonder if this is going to mean conflict between the two.

kek

Looks like Turkish backed FSA is moving on Afrin.

It really does look bleak.

twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/909549915751231489

lol

So conflict is looking more and more likely. The question comes down to who you think the more competent fighting force will be: SAA backed by Iran and Russia or SDF backed by USA.

I fucking wish.

BIJI BIJ ROJAVA MOTHERFUCKER
SAA CANT EVEN KILL A BUNCH OF THEOCRATS IN THEIR OWN CITIES. THE FIRE OF KURDISTAN WILL RIP THROUGH ASSAD'S DOGS.

also the us will tomahawk the shit out of Assad because they really fucking want to get that pipeline through Syria no matter what.

AMA of an volunteer going right now

reddit.com/r/rojava/comments/70i6wo/ama_ypg_volunteer_since_april_9162017/

Kek. Honestly would have preferred a federal solution (what russian wants) but it looks like the Syrian Government is too chauvinistic to let that happen. Doesn't help that Iran is pushing them towards this end either.

Come to think of it, this is actually going to lead to a worse case scenario for everyone. It appears that both the SAA and the FSA/Turkey is going to make a concerted effort to destroy the DFSNS. Which leaves the DFSNS with few options, the most likely being making a faustian bargain with the US. Russia's actions so far have been to try and mitigate this possibility (the astana talks, placing russian troops in DFSNS territory to deter Turkey etc). So if permanent US bases weren't going to be a thing before, this very well could lead to them becoming a reality. Assadcucks shouldn't be cheering for this

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Nobody wants permanent bases. Everyone who supports DFSNS realizes the immediate necessity of accepting american help, but this does not mean that they support permanent US or long term relations in general with the US. Unfortunately, the Syrian Government is so chauvinistic and bent on reestablishing their internal colony that they're very quickly going to force the DFSNS into a corner with results that will make nobody happy.

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well fuck the way things are going the odds of the U.S pulling out is becoming incredibly slim
taking off the ideological goggles for a sec if the kurds dont stop being U.S cannon fodder soon their going to basically be a puppet proper

So then hope as I do that the Syrian government isn't completely unsalvagable and can make a decision that's in the interest of it's people for once. Adopt a federal solution and make peace instead of opting for the guaranteed balkanization of the region. The best us DFSNS fans can hope for is that they turn on the US eventually like all of the US's proxies have done. Lord knows if anything will be left of the revolutionary system at that point though, but believe me when I tell you that you will have nothing to be happy about. At this rate, assad is going to end up like gaddafi

How the fuck do I use that first link? It's a mess

That would mean the end of Syria.

And if this happens, it will all be over some people being butthurt about Kurds speaking their own language, and wanting to be something other than subsistence farmers.
They don't even want the oil, they could have sold it through the black market but didn't.

Anyone cheering for conflict between the SDF and SAA/Government doesn't have the best interests of the Syrian people in mind.

how do you take random profiles on twitter seriously?

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they wont because it would be a diplomatic suicide. they need a good pretext, and defending some militant group occupying syria fighting syrians wont do it for the UN and int.community

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not pure ideology, but common sense and reason.

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you can hope in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

SDF is flooding the euphrates to prevent syrian forces from crossing.
Talk about damage control.

tass.com/defense/966370

LOL.

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what is a carlgon dumbass?

I'm going to assume this is bullshit

next theyll start setting oilwells on fire to prevent them from falling in syrian hands like iraqis did in kuwait

checked and confirmed.

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wowee that's pretty good argument there. I love it when some assadist reduces the events of the war into a linear set of event so as to not take into account the countless times Assad has been in the losing position.

SDF has huge gains in Raqqa recently.

Noice

what kind of media do you consider legitimate?
the ones that say what you like?

checked.
true.

fall of raqqa when?

Having multiple non-state independent sources to verify the claims would be good. I wouldn't believe something if it was only on CNN so why should I treat Russian state media any differently?

1) not an argument
2) ive been following the syrian war since it started, not when some tribe decided to LARP a revolution in 2017, and ive never called it quits

Within less then 60 days. The SDF in on a roll recently.

kek

wrong. what i was implying to was the fact that about two years ago none of you edgy 1st world middleclass NEETs had no idea what kurds were, or even syria for that matter, or were actively supporting alqueda with a name change.

You're an obvious new fag. We've been talking about Rojava since this board first came into being (though admittedly it's popularity didn't take off until a year or so after, and it didn't reach the height of it's popularity with the Rojava generals until more recently). Also like how you changed from 2017 to 2015.

if by "we" you mean three posters that mentioned PKK among "other groups we think are the good guys around the world" in some threads then youre right.
but besides a few people that came across the groups name here and there noone knew or gave a fuck about them, and noone will if the predictions about the new US regional proxy come true and this whole thing gets swept under the rug out of shame by you guys.

the basic premise is that there can be any third world "revolution" somewhere noone even knows about, but when it gains some traction and MSM coverage you will pile up on it like flies on shit and staret circlejerking.

You're being dishonest. YPG was mentioned alongside with the PKK, not one or the other. Why would I be ashamed? There's no shame in seeing the potential in something, the real shame is to disregard that potential in favor of a completely shit status quo. You're literally supporting someone who is a defacto monarch, leading a state that's closer to a form of chauvinistic Arab fascism then any kind of socialism. MSM still doesn't cover Rojava, outside of a few fringe articles online. They're always mentioned as "the kurds", nothing is ever mentioned of their political and economic system, and it's almost always some kind of orientalist bullshit talking about how cute the YPJ fighters are. Maybe the revolution does fail, maybe they become another liberal state ala iraqi kurdistan, but I would rather be wrong about them then support a dictatorial bourgeois nation state in the name of "anti-imperialism". I have nothing to gain from Assad's victory, possibly everything to gain from the revolution's victory.

and to be clear, I'm talking about the Rojava revolution not the FSA's "revolution".

So anyone want to ask the /sg/ Ambassador anything? I got banned from /sg/ again, this time for posting phat asses with the Syrian CoA on a post about oppai loli.

Why do you support assad?

why are you such a cuck faggot?

Thanks for the IP faggot

new thread

Holy historical revisionism, Batman! Rojava wasn't "a group of /ourguys/ somewhere" lumped in with the Zapatistas or whoever, from the dawn of Holla Forums it was hailed as the Kekalonia of the 21st century, with everyone here dreaming about going overseas to become the next Orson Welles and possibly getting backstabbed by red fascists like you.

You mean george orwell comrade

Durr, right.