Why can't you be a anarchist if you hate trannies?

trannies have existed before liberal idpol bullshit though
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history
Except that's wrong? Having a penis or having a vagina is simple biological fact, being a man or a woman is not. Different societies through history have had different gender roles for each. Regardless transgenderism is dumb though, we should all just become asexual/agender robots tbh

I highly, HIGHLY recommend that everyone in this thread and people in general watch this video, it's made by a bio-chemist? or something, but he is a professional scientist:

youtube.com/watch?v=AoUORx0LeIc

It clears up a lot of the misconceptions about trans people, especially that they are some kind of product of "late stage capitalism".

trannies bring chaos and drama into whatever relationship or endeavor they join. Their untreated mental illness is regrettable but they make themselves into liabilities.

The high % of suicides even after transitions is also very disturbing as is how liberals have latched onto them as the new cause célèbre after the gay issue has been "solved".

that being said I don't hate trannies just like I don't hate ants. They're both just a pain to deal with if you find them in your house .

Man, you're lost. ;_;

Watch the video I linked

Oh wow a professional scientist and a bio-chemist. Clearly his hot takes on gender and social norms are going to be correct.

No, I'm not going to tell you to go back to Holla Forums.
They are. Look up nutpicking.
It really depends on how bad their Gender Dysphoria is. It's like a boulder that lies on your shoulders and the more they conform to the gender the more of the weight is lifted.

Dunning-Kreuger

Most of them are heterosexual, so I doubt it.
I think it's rather a form of purchasing the gender: if you make your way to surgery, you can feel authorized to feel like a opposite gender and play it. It's like when you buy a cat outfit you can feel more like a cat and play being a cat. But more screwed up.

Reading what people have to say about trannies is really telling as to what they think about mentally ill people in general. I assume you think we should just give them pills until they stop working and/or stash them all away in a mental institution until they get "fixed"? Transitioning at least makes some sort of sense as far as solutions go

*he more they conform to the gender they feel themselves to be

What does that have to do with anything? If you have a dick you're a man, even if you wear a dress.

*the

Watch the video I linked

No.

I think the new popular view is that it's actually not a mental illness. It's just an exiting and particular way to express how you feel inside!

Fine, stay ignorant. I'm sure you'd happily watch dozens of videos confirming your presuppositional biases.

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Fuck off

What? What are you quoting?

therapy and drugs is a better way then extensive surgery and hormone treatments which has seen no real effect in stopping the high % of suicides that the transgender community suffers from.

but yeah worst case just lock them up somewhere

Why not tell that to the guy who called it a mental illness?

I just write this bullshit about non-binary gender is invention of upper middle class young girls just like pink ponies was 40 years ago. Do you want to give me a nature documentary about ponies to justify your daughter's fairy tales?

It's like you hate a stereotype of a trans person, rather than a particular trans person.
Most just want to transition and pass by attracting the least amount of attention possible.
(The loud flamers stand out giving you confirmation bias)

Transgenderism is all about stereotypes. They just call them "genders".

Well, gender dysphoria IS a medically recognised illness. You calling it "rainbows and gumdrops liberal postmodern idpol" is fucking insulting. However, being transgender =/= gender dysphoria, being transgender is an offered CURE for dysphoria. It doesn't always work (al la suicide) but it DOES help, and has a net positive effect. Like why wouldn't it, if people feel dysphoric because they want to be another gender, then why would helping them realise that goal make their situation worse?

You'll not need any mental institution, if we archieve socialism they'll simple cease to exist because people will not be alienated from their social functioning and gender, and stupid marketing will not stir in children's heads.

I might've been a little flippant.

Somehow I think moot will still want to be the little girl even after capitalism.

Every of them want to get as big attention as possible because it's form of narcissistic compensation.
Mythical humble and passing transgenders simply don't exist. Nowhere.

Transgenderism is product of entertainment industry and commodification of gender.

Exactly, nutpicking.

Fucking hell. The idea of more than two genders has existed since antiquity, has been found in ancient Greek, Babylonian, and Egyptian societies, as well as the Native Americans and Incas.
Watch the video I linked if you actually care about what research into the topic ACTUALLY suggests.
You must understand how frustrating it is to see people pretending to be experts on things they know nothing about… Dunning Krueger Effect.

“Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habit. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny.”
-Lao Tzu
Words have meaning.

See

What are you trying to say with this incoherent drivel?

Ah boy fucking isn't really a different kind of gender dude. Natives did have 2-gender person thing but that was incredibly rare. We've never seen the high amount of transgender people as we have today. Really need to look into if this is caused by capitalism instead of some basic human characteristic lol

boy fucking mostly stems from a lack of birth control and the need for families to have clean girls to sell in marriages. the forces that drove it were entirely caused by capital just like prostitution today.

Actual "gender dysphoria" (and I'm not talking about submissive gay men who like to wear skirts and do make-up but are fine with their physical body and who are told that they are actually women by rabid overzealous trans-activists)
is a form of "body integrity identity disorder" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_identity_disorder and won't just go away even if all gender roles and stereotypes are abolished.

Well since you brought it up, that's another part of the video that was a bit strange. The ancient Greeks held a lot of beliefs that are not okay today. Like slavery. Having sex with young boys. So just because they had more than two genders doesn't mean that it's a good thing. But also the Greeks just happened to have a separate gender for intersex people - that's quite different from what non-binary people are calling for today.

There are 'transgender' people in many cultures, but the way late capitalist society deals with 'gender' is deeply paradoxical and has little to no historical parallels.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femminiello
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa'afafine

'gender' is at once a fluid performative social construct and an authentic expression of one's unique 'true self'. the focus has shifted from the acceptance of trans people as a minority to 'deconstructing' binaries and cisnormativity, which mostly makes everyone more confused. Humans are not made to survive in the void. By this point, 'non binary' trendhoppers, that are like heterosexual cisgender women in every way, probably outnumber actual trannies. Capitalism and technology really erode people's identities. Designer genders could be a desperate attempt to hold on to something that HAS to be recognised by society.

Every week or so, the media will put out a story about some liberal yuppie parents who decided to raise their child as 'genderless'. It seems like media attention might be the main motivation of those parents. Elliot the genderfluid toddler from Halifax is a post human Overman, an empty vessel that exists only to be filled with the latest tumblr trends.

metronews.ca/news/halifax/2017/02/06/gender-nonconforming-kid-elliott-educate-pop-up-school.html

You've clearly never read Shakespeare.
This is a similar to the talk that gay people or prostitution didn't exist during the Middle Ages, which is a ridiculous assertion and a rose-tinted view of history in retrospection.

I'm leaving, I cba to argue anymore. I'll just say try and be a fucking compassionate human being and understand other people's suffering once in a while.
And, as is said in the video I linked, "If it doesn't directly affect you let it go".

Psychiatry is cool and all but never forget it was a profession made to make money and operate in a capitalist society. If you want to convince me of anything you need to link some soviet stuff (which is hard so I wont expect you to go to that extent)

Gay, faggoty, thread.

You try and understand that pushing this gender shit is counterproductive. No wonder people are confused when you separate gender from sex, that just perpetuates stereotypes about what a male and female should be.

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what a weird way to argue. Sex slavery in the third world doesnt affect me either so I guess I should just not worry about it lol what a dogshit liberal argument

I get it, because blue is the boys' color!
Man that's some great genderless parenting there

women dressing up as men to deal with a patriarchal society != transgenderism

jesus fuck what a retard

wtf is that image

Then you agree with me. Capitalism caused the collapse of culture and humans identity. People create this fake issues and think going through a transgender surgery will solve their problem…but that doesn't happen, since they still remember they weren't born like that. Which in great part helps to answer the question why so many transgenders kill themselves.

I agree that it's irratating when they force other to use their language. Also i find baffling how the majority of transgenders always go for the cliche…male to female will try to become barbie dolls, always filled with makeup, lots of pink, short skirts and high heels…like that's what being a woman means. Meanwhile female to male go for the bro, baggy pants, tank tops, huge sneakers like that's what being a man is supposed to mean.
Dispite all that i realize that it's pointless to have hate towards transgenders… i believe they can be saved.

Yes, we should give the mentally ill pills and/or stash them away. After all, anti-psychotic medicines are the best treatment available for psychosis and containing murderous serial killing psychopaths is the best way to prevent them from harming others.

It's not really that inconvenient to call people by a different pronoun, like she instead of he. But it's downright strange the new ones they've come up with. Zie, hir, xe, ze, and so on. That's fucking strange.

If this isn't a fucked hyperculture produced by the disintegration of identity under late capitalism then i don't know what it is. People are atomised and alienated and want their individuality to be recognised, but, lacking any actual community, they can only turn to the internet and the language of 'gender fluidity' and 'social justice'. 'gender' is a fetishised term that has lost all meaning. 'transgender' is nothing but escapism, a consumer product.

genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/gender

Abimegender: a gender that is profound, deep, and infinite; meant to resemble when one mirror is reflecting into another mirror creating an infinite paradox

Adamasgender: a gender which refuses to be categorized

Ambonec: identifying as both man and woman, yet neither at the same time

(POSSIBLE Rated PG Parental Guidance) Autigender: a gender that can only be understood in the context of being autistic. Meant for autistic people only.

Juxera: a feminine gender similar to girl, but on a separate plane and off to itself

Why not just execute them? They cannot be cured.

one day a treatment may be found. Execution is robbing us of a valuable resource.

Arguing in terms of resources used is the worst possible argument. Imprisoning and 'treating' them indefinitely in the hope that maybe hypothetically there may be a cure someday is gonna cost a ton of resources over the course of their life; executing them costs basically nothing if you get it over with quick.

Look at the schnoz on that princess!

^this

There's no place for slave labour in communism. Any people that want to biuld prisons or live from exploitation should be executed as well.

No idiot. The prisoners are the resource in finding the cure. How are you going to fix something without some materials to test????

You're right. A life of wearing an explosive collar doing dangerous work with high mortality rates it is!

go back to your Holla Forums, in socialism/communism there shouldn't be any place for exploitation of other people or treating them as things, it's capitalist mentality of people as resource

incorrigible criminals, fascists and nazis should be executed immediately after the revolution, all private property abolished, and then all people will live free and peacefully in new society

your way would result in people being put down forever as no attempt to cure them will be made. My way will have some sentenced to imprisonment so that for the future we can be better.

Anarchists have no fucking futuresense

It's not true. Only those criminals that are threat to life and health of others can be in danger and possibly be killed by free, local people's militias.

some people are born as sociopaths. They only exist to hurt. We can do better in diagnosing and treating such individuals.

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You do realize there are functioning sociopaths, right? Killing unstable murderers doesn't mean every person with the disorder is suddenly gone and that research becomes impossible.

Not really, and eugenics is a threat to human freedom in long distance.

What a great thread!

eugenics is a shitty fucking idea. Getting rid of genetic diseases is something that is owed to every human.

I am not a scientist familiar with this area so I'm not going to make an statement equating the conditions of functioning and nonfunctioning (??) sociopaths

It's not eugenics, eugenics is trying to 'cure' our species from disorders like sociopathy instead of organising society so they don't be a threat.

What is disease and what isn't is based strongly on way of organisation of modern captialist society, and it's often derived from perceiving humans as a recource which should be productive. Old, primitive communities had different ways to cope with genetic diseases than technocratic medicalization which is most popular today.

Yeah, like dying.

Not really.

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hey you need to add the green to your flag if youre going to start talking about the wisdom of the ancients

Said in defence of guy who wanted to put people into closed resort and force them to do forced labor or treat as experimental animals in pseudoscientific experiments.

I'm sure they used their magical primitive powers to just overcome shit like Huntington's.

capitalism can only understand things in terms of consumer choice.

The intersectional anarchist stirnerfags on here adhere to some sort of naive secondhand postmodernism that is only able to mirror the logic of capitalism. Bad, evil 'social constructs' stand in the way of the total freedom of the consumer unit and hence must be 'deconstructed' whatever that means. The problem is, this process is violent, traumatic and ultimately self defeating, as it relies on imposing a single 'correct' way of looking at the world. universal gender dysphoria does not seem like a pleasant or 'liberating' experience at all. Refer to Marx' The German Ideology a prescient critique of Stirner and the young hegelians. imo materialism might be the only way to retain a semblance of sanity and individual identity under the conditions of late capitalism.

bewilderingstories.com/issue582/without_sky.html.

no

if you believe in sacred culture, human identity and all that shit you might as well go full Asserite/Nazbol/Tankie.

if you fetishise capitalist deterritorialisation for its own sake you might as well go full Landian technonihilist accelerationist

good vid but I don't think it matters. If Stirner was alive to have an imput on this he would simply say that: "who cares let people do whatever the fuck they want with themselves".
Thats it. There is no debate, discussion here it's pointless.