Is eugenics inevitable? I am inclined to believe so...

Is eugenics inevitable? I am inclined to believe so. There are limited resources on Earth and there are no signs that we will be able to travel to the nearest inhabitable planet near alpha Centauri or wherever the fuck. Even with FALC and miraculous technological breakthroughs, I don't see how you can stop eugenics from being implemented. Moreover, if we don't achieve communism soon, it's a guarantee that the elite will make use of private technology to create superhumans. Thoughts, Holla Forums?

I am pro-eugenics. I want this "humanity" project to be prosperous and successful, and we do have a lot of dead weight at the moment.
I don't want subpar people murdered, just to prevent more low quality people being born.

Over population isn't going to happen. As the world becomes more industrialized in places like China and India there won't be as many high birthrates. It'll fix itself eventually, the problem is how we provide higher standards of living to the world while maintaining the environment.

Eugenics is a retarded ideology. Selective breeding is a dead-end - you can do far more by grafting technology onto the human body/genome directly and building better machinery.

Besides, there is ample farmland to feed something like 20 billion people, certainly enough land and material to build housing, and two large oceans that can be desalinated if we really need water that badly. There would be problems if everyone lives as wastefully as burgers under capitalism, but capitalism makes that equality an impossibility and socialism wouldn't aim for such a goal.

Societies can either be eugenic or dysgenic. Dysgenic societies are doomed for collapse, so eugenic societies will always prevail.

I hope this thread sees bans where appropriate

The Chinese are already doing en masse while we aren't because we're being held back by christcucks and Jewish blank slateists and gibsmedats for jamal and his ten niglets.

If it's retarded why is it used for chickens, cows, etc? Pic is a friendly red fox the soviets bred, they also made untameable foxes from the same species.
The two are not exclusive.

Why do right wingers always bring up genetics when every study shows they have below average I. Q? It's like they don't understand cause and effect, and somehow think all the evidence doesn't apply to them.

I believe in reverse eugenics. We should purposely breed retards to intentionally collapse society.

Eugenics as applied to humans can only be negative eugenics and coercive. There is no such thing as "positive eugenics". It's also a thinly veiled attempt to uphold the ruling class and pick out who gets to be the best slaves to the ruling class once "freedom" runs its course.

By time you actually know enough about the human genome to make intelligent breeding choices, you know enough to engineer a whole new human brain (for intelligence) or limbs, hearts, etc. The level of knowledge humans have now is pathetically small.

Because eugenics is a retarded ideology from the get-go, built by ruling class idiots for ruling class idiots and their ignorant, cowardly hangers-on.

You're wrong. Not even going to bother spoon-feeding you as to why.

Says the Nazi fag.

I think Gentic engineering will be more effective then eugenics.

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It's because ideology ideology ideology.

No. Selective breeding is a government policy and as such not "inevitable".

If you are talking about genetic editing, there litterally nothing wrong with it as long as theres universal access.

All breeding is selective. How can you possibly be so dumb?

Treating humanity like purebred dogs is honestly one of the worst ideas, and we have a long sad fucking history of how that works as well.

Then trust in nature, not man.

The chinese also destroyed lots of ancient buildings and replaced everything with generic postmodern architechture.
The chinese also built huge dams that one day will cause so much destruction they will have to resort to international aid.

The chinese are like the americans, they make the same mistakes only deeper and bigger. SO it doesn't surprise they do eugenics. Chinese are very racist, they always were. Europeans soon find out they couldn't fuck with them back in the 1500's…but they did try…

There's no welfare in Nature.

Man is part of nature.

So you have no arguments why government imposed girlfriends works.

Alright, peace.

What does government imposed girlfriends have to do with eugenics you idiot? Government imposed gfs would in fact be horribly dysgenic.

lol

The profits from any insurance company could easily pay for all the welfare in most countries.
I don't understand why you see welfare receivers as such an issues, when they are few in the majority of countries which do have welafre programs.
An insurance companies doesn't produce anything, wins money based on people's fears. If youw ant to make an insurance on your house and a satelite falls and destroys your house, the insurance company doesn't have to give you jack shit, because it's "too random".
Those are the real leeches….insurance companies, banks. Welfare users? ffs..they receive per month what a useless cunt working in finance makes in 5 minutes on a monday morning.

Don't stop the world, you know you can't.

You have to live what's only real, can't stop the world and start again

This.

Holla Forums faggots love China because they're "efficient" or whatever, but really China has autistically caused immense environmental destruction and set the course for a climate apocalypse much sooner. Just because they're doing things western scientists aren't doesn't mean they're on the right course.

I see the future for humanity as something like the Borg - a collective hive mind with individual nodes, augmented by technology. The only difference is that warp drive is ofc science fantasy and that eventually humans run into a limit to their expansion. I can imagine though that interstellar travel is possible if someone(s) are willing to wait it out for tens of thousands of years, though they'll probably find a lot of desolate rocks and gas giants before finding an Earth-like planet. Life beyond bacteria is probably exceedingly rare.

I love that song

If eugenics is so inevitable, why are they so afraid of the dysgenic? If it's the natural course that the so-called Master Race is systematically slaughtered, so be it. The eugenicists deserve to rot in Hell for their responsibility, they started all of the world wars and are guilty of starting WW3 if it happens (which is appearing likely at this point).

Because the dysgenic are pests who not only threaten my existence but their own as well. Thermites breeding until they chew the house into the ground is not a victory for the thermites or the home owner.

Eugenicists by their nature are ultraviolent monsters who seek to subsume everything in their ideology. It would be better if the world were destroyed than for eugenics to reign triumphant. Kill them all, kill them all, kill them all.

If people like you want a big strong black bloke to be the father of your wife kids thats fine, but I meant government mandated eugenics.

Nazis are pests

Nazis are incapable of following their own thought process beyond "muh Master Race"

*blocks your path*

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

I don't think we're ever going to get to that point. Mankind is going to survive into a thousand years and beyond, genera less succecful than us have lived for millions of years. Whether we live that long, I have no idea. But in any case, I think humanity is going to be what it is.

There's never going to be a science fiction element to it, beyond how we adapt to our own environmental problems we created for ourselves. One day we'll be living in ruins.

Overpopulation is a meme, we have no shortages, only problems of distribution. We could feed and house a couple more billion people comfortably. Moreover the trend of population growth is on the downturn and as soon as people's conditions would be improved through rational distribution of resources people will have 2 children on average at best and we'll settle in for a global natural decrease.
We're never getting off this rock and there's no good reason to. Assuming no catastrophe gets us first we'll slowly go extinct. Even ignoring all this we're 10 years from genetic engineering and designer babies, after some mistakes are made, and they will be, we'll be able to make healthy children when and how we want them in fucking artificial wombs.
Eugenics is a dumb meme that we've advanced beyond.

this sort of thing should be a bannable offense

I think there's plenty of room for technological advance, and that will feed back into the form humans take and how they associate with each other. I won't say it's inevitable, but I think once the transhumanist idea is freed of its present-day autism and people start thinking of how technology can be applied for the betterment of all, there's going to be some fusion of technology and biology, and eventually there will come a point where the human brain can be networked with other human brains and a main computer, and a better-than-human brain can be engineered. Left in the hands of Porky this is a very bad and dystopian future, but I don't think Porky can make the necessary technological leaps before Porky settles into neo-feudalism. It would have to be a socialistic society that makes these advances.

Perhaps using the Borg is a bad example because they're fictional villains, but I could definitely see humankind collectivized to the point where individual people are subsumed in a giant collective mind. It could be a much nicer version of the Borg where individual drones retain autonomous thought, but the collective would just be so much more powerful in processing power and mutual survival would depend on integration and cooperation.

IIRC they outlaws miscegenation with turkic people after observing health problems in the offspring

What do you mean by coercive? That violent force would be needed? If that's what you mean than you are very wrong. People will do it because they won't want their kids to be speds compared to the 160 I.Q. super chads

The entire premise of eugenics is that these dysgenic masses are a threat to their natural betters, by the mere fact of their existence and participation in society. Merely practicing "good eugenics" is never enough for them - they will always, and did always, seek to attack those they consider inferior and place restrictive laws against their existence and their ability to participate in society at any level. The very concept of "human betterment" requires attacking those deemed inferior in order to have any meaning.

Violent force was needed, and is needed, to maintain any form of eugenics. It is an inherently coercive ideology.

At any rate, eugenics is a dead meme as 4th intl. flag mentioned upthread. We're close to being able to engineer healthy babies outright in artificial wombs, and engineering far outpaces any benefit you would get out of selective breeding.

In case you're going to make a knock on my intelligence, my I.Q. was tested around 150 or so as a kid, because my mother basically prepped me for the test. I.Q. is a shitty metric and I wound up doing shitall with my life, testing at 110-120 when I was a teen (and that high rating was basically based on past biases - they couldn't conceive of me being anything less than that, even though I basically stopped giving a shit about the test or my future, and my life was effectively ruined by that point). All of that ruination was for the sake of the eugenic ideology.

Eugenics is simply the ideology of the ruling class and their effort to entrench their status, and to identify populations which make ideal slave-specialists so that the ruling class doesn't have to actually work. It is the most pernicious and destructive ideology created, responsible for all of the world wars, and in a right world the boosters of this ideology would be assigned all of the war guilt and either killed, or placed into debt-slavery (which would mean that they are used as guinea pigs for bio-engineering and technological experiments, a far kinder fate than the sadistic "experiments" they carried out on institutionalized people).

What the fuck is this thread

Well, you're not wrong about that.


Read the green book, idiot.

I'm leftist, but this is one of the best arguments for eugenics IMO. If implemented consistently, you'd have far fewer reactionaries, racists, and other retards dumb enough to fall for Breitbart/FoxNews/polyp right-wing propaganda.

IQ tends to be correlated with higher degrees of empathy and conscientiousness. High Autism Level people are also less likely to make sweeping generalizations.

Eugenics could possibly hasten the arrival of socialism by removing much of the opposition's retarded rank-and-file.

Looking forward to sterilizing you for being a retard