Why did 4chan of all places become Trad?

Oh please, "traditionalists" on 4chan are a farce. I've been in more churches and museums than any deus vult LARPer. I've studied latin and ancient greek. "Postmodernism" is an overused word but I do think it really applies to these people.

My god, the right has the answer

the right left dichotomy has lost all meaning, for both sides serve the same pagan god, that is, sodomy.

You seem awful concerned about people putting dicks in butts.

Because the left nihilists got overwhelmed with the hordes of normies that love regular society except when it negatively impacts them personally (bullying, girlfriend troubles/lack thereof, having a shitty job, etc). They weren't looking for an escape, just entertainment, and they betray their fecklessness with this trad shit. They don't want to escape society or change society, they just want to be the ones that benefit from society. They don't have a problem with coercion like bullying or being forced to work, they simply object to being the bullied instead of the bully.

christianity started in the middle east. Such thing has no space in any european country.

The thing is, this isn't entirely true.

It's gotten slightly better in the past several months, I guess, but there was a substantial amount of time where it was clear that Holla Forums was just going to all the other boards and making it about them. They would not fucking shut up and would consistently REEEEE every time someone said a word they didn't like or talked about something they didn't agree with.

People left.

"They were colonized" is absolutely accurate. But if you want a more complex explanation, they were colonized but also troll culture played a part in the appeal to colonists and the appeal of the colonists to the audience.

i really hope you're shitposting nigga

Well it can't go back to the middle east - there is probably anal sex there!

i bet you'd look cute in a dress ;3

Is there an argument to be made that Holla Forums's culture is directly descendant from the chan ethos of the past? Saying "not every board is /pol" always felt like a copout because from the outside looking in, it seems like they are all inextricably linked in some way.

Holla Forums as it currently exists? No. Modern Holla Forums couldn't be bigger newfags if they tried.

4chan does have a reasonable leftist community desu.

Just an hour ago I saw a nice leftist thread on /r9k/ and saw a pro-sjw tyhread on Holla Forums.

I blame alot of it on the cycles in which people go in and leave. It's most a good site for edgy teens to go to share memes. When debate is reasonable and diverse it's kinda fun, but as of late idpol and rightist have kinda taken off as rightist have no real opposition. They also don't get the context of past memes. For example, the reason people pretended to be rightist on 4chan during the Bush years was to parody the Bushfags and Blairites who seemed to only be loved by flag-fucking inbreds. Since they're too young to remember how retarded Bush and Blair actually are, they take their ideas as a reaction to the ess jay dubyas. I used to love 4chan until it basically became mainstream around 2015. Before than you had at least some diversity of topics.

It's partially true - but also:

Is true.

Back when Holla Forums was growing and shitting up the rest of the site, the results ultimately tended to reflect an overall ignorance of chan culture itself - ie a lot of these people were fucking newfags who came in thinking every board was Holla Forums and proceeded to act like it.

Holla Forums has elements of previous chan culture - absolutely, I'd say, and early on this was absolutely part of its leanings. But it's like that fake quote says - "Any group which gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will soon attract idiots who think they're in good company" or something.

if only i knew…

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'the defenders of western culture' are all philistines dreaming of some mythical realm or timeline when they weren't. they seem to think quaint landscapes are the height of art

I don't.
Holla Forums has infested literally everything.

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1. It was a direct response to refugee crisis.
2. Anonymity has the effect of making people more hostile or 'edgy' towards eachother.

You're right, these people post pictures of greek statues on Holla Forums while never having seen an actual greek statue.

This actually makes a lot of sense to me

Good post

You seem to have an actual unhealthy obsession

it's no secret that (extreme) right-wing politics is the politics of shame

Why did other parts of the internet become idpoling neoliberals masquerading as leftists?

If reddit is anything to go by: intense, concerted shilling via bots, sock puppets, and moderation subversion.

Because liberal idpol was so stifling that Reaction became edgy, and thus cool.

Do you think the site will eventually shift back to irreverent apolitical/vaguely left-libertarian once everyone gets tired of Trump memes? Or will the irony fade away and all that's left are sincere nationalists and alt-rightists?

buttsex isn't going to go away once capitalism is dismantled sorry, guy.

>I used to love 4chan until it basically became mainstream around 2015.
I can't comprehend how someone can think that 4chan only went "mainstream" in 2015. Let alone think that while lecturing about what 4chan really used to be.

Can you name any irreverent apolitical community on the internet that isn't strictly moderated to limit what will be discussed there? I can't, politicization just comes with the times.

Consumer culture doesn't allow for indifference. It requires identification with brands and commodities and a slavish subordination of one's thoughts to manufactured consensus. After all, if you let people think for themselves, they might think that buying your product isn't something they actually want. Think of the poor, lost profits!

So as long as normies are there, PAYING for video games, PAYING for anime, PAYING for comicbooks, etc, then no. Shills will continue to shill their asses off to cultivate identification with their products and mold the conversation/board narratives so that the users are invested one way or another in the fetishes of their various hobbies. Indifference is intolerable. Irreverence is blasphemy. Do you know how much money HBO spent on this last season of GoT? Do you think they're just going to sit idly by as internet loser virgins photoshop it and make fun of it and potentially damage the value of the brand with their internet shenanigans?

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Also, I feel you could substitute "Young Hegelians" with 4chan in this paragraph and it would still ring true.

Hegelians declared them the true bonds of human society) it is evident that the Young Hegelians have to
fight only against these illusions of consciousness. Since, according to their fantasy, the relationships of
men, all their doings, their chains and their limitations are products of their consciousness, the Young
Hegelians logically put to men the moral postulate of exchanging their present consciousness for human,
critical or egoistic consciousness, and thus of removing their limitations. This demand to change consciousness amounts to a demand to interpret reality in another way, i.e. to recognise it by means of
another interpretation. The Young-Hegelian ideologists, in spite of their allegedly "world-shattering"
statements, are the staunchest conservatives. The most recent of them have found the correct expression
for their activity when they declare they are only fighting against "phrases". They forget, however, that to
these phrases they themselves are only opposing other phrases, and that they are in no way combating the
real existing world when they are merely combating the phrases of this world. The only results which this
philosophic criticism could achieve were a few (and at that thoroughly one-sided) elucidations of
Christianity from the point of view of religious history; all the rest of their assertions are only further
embellishments of their claim to have furnished, in these unimportant elucidations, discoveries of
universal importance. It has not occurred to any one of these philosophers to inquire into the connection of German philosophy
with German reality, the relation of their criticism to their own material surroundings.

all identity politics are ultimately based on a feeling of shame. identity is in itself a shameful and unwanted thing imposed on the subject by external structures

the internet has developed into an inverted totalitarian panopticon that tolerates no dissent. the media's task is to create the image of illusory unity that conceals the reality of universal separation. expect a more domesticated, monitored and apolitical internet, an endless panegyric to the latest commodities. pretty much what was saying. The material collapse of our society and the collapse of all systems of signification show no signs of slowdown. people are more alienated than ever. expect more random rampages and bizarre doomsday cults emerging from the fringes of society.

this is why 'diversity' in shitty pop media has become such a thing lately. I remember reading an interview with JJ Abrahams in which he said he made an effort to cast women and black people in the new trilogy because 'everyone deserves to experience the magic of starwars'. The Brand is the closest we moderns can get to transcendental religious experience. Never mind the Force Awakens was a literal point by point rehash of A New Hope, which itself was a nostalgia trip harking back to the Flash Gordon serials of the 30s and 50s, by the numbers hero's journey structure and all. 'Diversity' is a mechanism meant to distract us from the realities of cultural stagnation by placing the product squarely on the 'right side of history'. The 'reactionary backlash' itself is an integral, planned component of the product's marketing strategy. This is a means of pre-empting the audience's reactions, of forcing the brand into the consciousness into those who previously resisted the monoculture. We are forever condemned to an hyper-nostalgic limbo with an increasingly tenuous relationship to any actual, historical past, a limbo in which a dozen or so pop culture Mega Brands tower over the human imagination.

As you have noticed, corporations are trying to silence opinions of those who are anti-feminist or pro-white.

When you have free speech (real free speech, not your "no hate speech allowed" free speech) you find that the majority of people do not want feminism, or immigration, or nonwhites. or proprietary software.

You don't have to deal with your banks closing your account for unkosher political views when you post on 4chan. When you post it on facebook or twitter, you do.

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I'm not sure I follow you.

Holy shit what the fuck happened on that show?

Now I've seen everything, we're truly living at the end of times.

Which 4chan are you browsing? Holla Forums shit constantly shows up on Holla Forums, /vg/, Holla Forums, /fa/, /mu/ etc

IMHO when the cucklord cleaned up the site for sale and triggered the exodus a massive void was left…-A void that was filled with newfags, ripe for the inducting.

Anyone who had any idea knew that the site was about to be farmed for data and swarmed with influencers so most fo what remained were the fools and the people expecting to profit from them.

Several factors mixed.

Althusser is ==NAZBOL==

Traditionalist /christian/ here, 4chan/Holla Forums mostly aren't actually traditionalist. Most Holla Forumsacks are much more obsessed with race than they are with actually preserving the traditions that made the West great. Lots of them are atheists/LARPagans/kekfags, advocate abortion for non-whites and the disabled, happily fap to porn, support free market capitalism, like traps, like anime/asian girls etc. Sometimes they aren't even that concerned with actually finding a White woman to breed with and they buy into MGTOW shit.

once porky became PC, traditionalism became edgy

I hate this duality. Dualities are shit in general.

4chan is at it's heart contrarian and ironic nazi shit pisses off mainstream libs. Eventually ironic nazism attracts actual nazis who end up out numbering the irony lords.
SA had a similar thing happen on its politics board but it was MTWs trolling libertarians.

lmao you believe that? That's somethingawful and it always was

I hate you and think you should stop tripfagging

Filter is right there for people who can't stand disagreement.

Gross, so what does that mean, you are in favor of stoning adulterous women and rape?

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this is some shit i can grok, this is why i come here.

Law of Moses is no longer in effect so adulterers/gays/disobedient children no longer have to be stoned, though the moral law is certainly still in effect and those sins ought to be treated with some sort of corporal punishment in order to teach the individuals a lesson. But don't worry Holla Forums, traditionalist Christianity taking over the West any time soon is about as likely as Marxism doing the same.

Don't worry, people still value the material conditions of themselves and their families more than false promises. And capitalism and Christianity offer the latter.

There is no promise either can offer outside Christianity giving you a cushy nice light at the end of the tunnel for everyone and their pet bunny. You just have to contradiction love the sinner hate the sin, and throw corporeal punishment in there.

Christianity already is in power and has been for generations in America, grow the fuck up and face the music.

Reminded me of some article I saw after charlotte
vox.com/identities/2017/8/17/16162226/corporations-replacing-churches-americas-conscience

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Stormfront got shut down, I understand you have nowhere else to go.

Well, Protestants in particular. America has had only one Catholic president, and that was JFK.

Protestantism is the most milquetoast bullshit ever and I would gladly eat ten ten dogs before calling myself that bullshit.

How do you live with yourself associating with Joel Osteen and his giant fucking teeth that require jump ropes to floss.

Who gives a fucking shit. This bullshit will end as quickly as Tumblr feminism did. The legacy they leave behind will be the same legacy /u/Aalewis left behind for the internet Atheism craze.

Until Marxism delivers on its promises, I'm going to keep assuming you guys are full of shit too.

Yes how horrible, that sometimes we might need to punish someone to help them! Better just to love people by letting them do whatever they want. Honestly I thought even Marxists didn't advocate for that sort of liberalism, what with your re-education and labour camps.

Yeah, that explains why abortion, gay marriage and pornography are legal. Just because the elite Satanists say a few phony prayers and make vague refrences to "Judeo-Christian values" doesn't make America Christian.

Hmmmmmm

Holla Forums has a good chance of refuting and not standing for Holla Forumsshit when it tries to bring it to the board. Not always, pol threads often slip through. But they don't always stand unopposed unlike with every other board and often Holla Forums shit is refuted and told to get the fuck out. This is why all the Holla Forumslyps on all the other boards bitch and whine and moan and complain endlessly about "Holla Forumsmblr".

Help them with what? Everything in the Bible is hilariously arbitrary.

No wonder it produces so many terrible house holds.

You're a living justification for the existence of them.

Unlike Capitalism which is set to self immolate within the next hundred years and promises nothing to the world your God you supposedly love so much told you to treat so saintly.

According to The Bible you're not one sinner not left to hell for the wrong that Capitalism produced to its own teachings bitch, so step down and don't give me more of your protestant crocodile tears.

I explained it to Moot way back when the faggot brought Holla Forums back. It's fairly simple actually. Reactionaries are retarded in general, and thus awful posters. So they tend to get banned or permabanned from just about every other community on the internet. Ergo they would tend to accumulate on the few places that can't really ban people, of which 4chan is the biggest one.

So, like garbage accumulating at the bend of a river.

Buh muh freeze peach!!!

I read someone once say that a civil libertarian building a no-witch-burning city will inevitably result in about 3 other civil libertarians and a million witches. 4chan has taught me just how true that is.

Hoochie I'm sorry your Christian parents didn't raise you well but I think you're projecting individual problems onto all Christians.

I'm glad to see you've admitted that you can punish someone with the intention of helping them.

Capitalism is pretty messed up tbh but even despite that it still has a better record (of succeeding at its own goals) than Marxism does

I don't even know what the hell you're saying here

I'm Catholic, and I'm sorry your Protestant family has ruined Christianity for you. Some Protestants are ok though, despite the heresy.

Buddhists

You're welcome, I'd be happy to help you put you out of your misery.

LOL

Same milquetoast shit. God of the Bible couldn't make anything more interesting than a man as the pinnacle of art. The God of the Bible is shit wrapped around cum, he's slathered in cum actually.

He slurps cum and then he burps cum.

To be a human is to suck cock at life, god made man in his own image, god sucks cock at life

catholic leftism does seem like a growing trend

twitter.com/ebruenig

Islamic Terrorism in Europe fuelled it. When I'm debating with the right wing, I refuse to defend Islam. If someone wants to attack Islam, go for it. Yes, it might be because they don't like brown people like myself, but if they genuinely hate the Koran, that's fine.

If Muslims want to be protected by the left, they shouldn't expect us to defend a stupid religion. It's about stopping racism.

Glad Europe finally caught up with America in Iraq War hysteria and is ready to fertilize a baby with hunk spunk to protect themselves from the Other

Why are you stealing categories like these?

Ah my mistake, I was sure your hatred of Christianity was based on something personal, but I guess that was self-serving of me.

Thanks Hoochie, but I'm afraid that's going to have to remain a fantasy for you.

Laugh all you want, it won't make your historical record look any better.

Weren't you telling me to grow up a few posts ago? Pretty pathetic tbh.

If you insist.

This post uses up twice as much space as it should do. Don't do this.

Some left wing principles are indeed a big part of both Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular (compassion for the poor, avoiding war, caring for the enviroment, having mercy on wrongdoers). Of course some lefties go too far and try to pretend that Jesus would be totally fine with everything the left does, even to the point of supporting abortion. Similar things happen on the right, with people legitimately trying to argue that you shouldn't help poor people if they've made bad decisions in their lives or that having a black Pope would be a bad idea.

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wtf I'm a NAZI now.

nazis aren't people

4chan is a place where those who can't stand normalfag internet go to, and the normalfag internet got taken over by progressives. It's a natural reaction that has nothing to do with Holla Forums, which is also repulsive to them.
Most people on 4chan just want to be left alone.

This is a great description of an existing process, though. I personally think that the defenses against normies were put up long before Holla Forums and are basically working to this day, but if you disagree, that's the one explanation to go with.

It's good to remind oneself of the times when Holla Forums was to 4chan what Holla Forums is to it nowadays, because it shows it's not the first time it happens. And, despite all the troubles, casualties, and disillusioned people leaving in the meantime, the sanitary cordon mostly worked before.

That's more meaningless than you probably realize. Holla Forums shit constantly shows up on Holla Forums, and we're hardly a nazi board.
It shows up due to natural crossboard contamination and Holla Forums's sheer size and relative newfaggotry. It is not and cannot be representative of the boards' "native" populations.
Pretty much every time I've seen Holla Forums posting on other boards in the last few months and looked closer, it was instantly repudiated. (Admittedly, my board selection is different from yours.)

If you mean SomethingAwful is contrarian, I beg to differ. SA, with its focus on ridiculing abnormality, was always built around enforcing mainstream social norms. 4chan was the first place to actually put its losership and fun on pedestal.

That was Scott Alexander, and it's a powerful argument, but not without caveats. And the best response to it that I've seen is that it only works that way when you try to make an "alternative", replicate an existing structure instead of building a new one. The real solution is to start with just the civil libertarians and grow organically.
It explains Holla Forums and its failure to withstand Holla Forums in the face of 4chan migration, but 4chan was built from scratch. It's stronger and more resilient than people believe.

Fin.

the reactionary character is torn apart by profound contradictions. liberal elites are not actually ridden by 'white guilt' in any meaningful way, in fact they rather enjoy their status and their sense of moral superiority, when pressed they will invariably side with their class interests while virtue signalling all the way, see Trudeau, for example. You can't say the same about conservatives, who are prisoners of the identities they have internalised, always tormented by guilt, resentment and self loathing. deep down, they worry that maybe the left is right about them, after all. Think about the guy who stabbed himself and blamed antifa, doesn't that betray a certain self destructive impulse?

think about the figure of the cop in this MDE sketch, the cop is state of exception that exists within the normality of bourgeois society at any given moment. Fascism embraces and celebrates the brutal reality of capitalism, a reality that is both denied and upheld by mainstream society. the fascist reconciliation with an authoritarian father figure that is at once loathed, feared and envied, is, in the last instance, a foiled escape to childhood.
youtube.com/watch?v=MJ8hkjsEzS0

maybe their brains had already been turned to mush a long time ago. Capitalism + digital media is a hell of a drug. Liberalism emerged in a print based culture of literate bourgeois, as an ideology it becomes obsolete in a neotribal electronic environment. Liberal/libertarian individualism is hard to maintain in an internet medium that demands total involvement. That's why it is always good to take a break from the internet every once in a while, read a book , talk to people listen to music in order to avoid a sensory overload. Twitter is a specially 'hot' emotionally charged medium, imageboards are somewhat 'cooler'. Marshall McLuhan wasn't technically a leftist, but y'all should check out his stuff anyways.

How can you genuinely think that people with opposite views of yours think in such a simplistic one-dimensional way? You're not even talking about people who spend their time posting on r/incels all day long, you're talking about everyone on 4chan with rightwing views.

It's just so boring.

Because they are majority white and young ffs, it's that blatantly obvious, and grew of age in a time when the Unis, media and corporations all connived together to head off any revolution and made them the scapegoat. It's simply down to race at the end of the day.

I'm talking bout the crusader LARPs on 4Chan, dickhead. The ones that act like they're Christians cuz they wanna """save the west""", but are lowkey atheist history nerds.

Grand strategy vidya becoming popular on imageboards happened. Crusader Kings II memes were taken seriously.

Much as "le new counter culture" is a meme, 4chan has always been largely contrarian. And if you look at today culture, liberal values (in the idpol sense at least) are ascendant. It's not just that there is gay marriage now, and trans protections in law, but that something like 60% of the population supports the former, and an ever climbing amount also the latter. And among the young, these numbers are even higher, into the 80's. As far as the culture wars go, the trads have been defeated utterly. They have been so defeated they are not just not mainstream, not even counterculture. Trads are now edgy weirdos, kinda gross if I'm honnest, the prime 4chan audience.
Their obsession with sword wielding knights is in that regard very much like the weeaboo's obsession with katanas, that other weirdo subculture.

the problem is old structures have been swept away but the new utopian structures that were supposed to replace them never arrived, instead, we got the atomised void of the market. change is by its very nature violent and traumatic, the 60s represented a chaotic and ultimately disappointing process. Many of those counterculture individualists aged into Reagan voting neoliberal yuppies. The so called sexual revolution wasn't all wine and roses either, specially for women. That's were the radical feminists that were later to join forces with the religious right in the 80s came from. The liberal vision of history as linear progress conceals its actual, chaotic nature. One step forwards, two steps back. the seeds of the reaction of the 80s could already be found in the 60s. 'the trads' feel something is wrong but their solution amounts to a half imagined parody of pre 1960s society that could only exist in the minds of those who never experienced it.

It could exist if nation was not subservient to economy as the modern day scourge which has allied with progressive linear nonsense. There will be no utopia, there will be ethnic conflict within nations, not war between them.

Quite right. Sadly, we don't have much in the way of concrete plans to put up new structures, only endless critique - deconstructing everyone's privebelidges like it means anything. And on the other hand, the true believers, transhuman total liberation crowd - all will be solved by the willed individual with the help of technology. Of course, this technology is just Capital under a fetish mask, and it will dissolve them, not liberate them.

4chan died long before even scientology. even so scientology was the first huge influx of normalfags. 4chan was doing it for the lulz and they called scientology raiders moralfags. it was a rather obscure target to take down if it really was about "morals". they were obviously reactionaries from the beginning.

also its just the fact that its anonymous and uncensored.

yes oldfags still post but most traffic is generated by literal normies. Holla Forums really is an internet containment board(not just 4chan) where facebook and youtube mouthbreathers go to post their shitty ideas. 4chan hasn't represented whatever anonymous was since pre-2008.

It leaks over into other boards too. You can go to /g/ and a lot of people are pro open source but a lot of normie tech illiterate people are pro capitalist because they have cushy jobs and bought a gaming PC. People will correct them but its a constant battle just like the daily bait threads we get here.

even their pol is infested with endless traps threads
just a vocal minority and coverage

nation, economy and violent state power have always been one and the same. that's something right wingers just don't get. If we don't wake up and seize the revolutionary now, the world will continue its descent into generalised 4th generation warfare and ecological collapse. eventually humanity itself will die and leave behind a dead planet. fascism is nothing but collective suicide.

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I watched it happen in real time.

What really happened was that what once started out with edgy political discussion and memes/jokes about Jews and the Holocaust was co-opted by unironic Stormfronters

Holla Forums became such a shithole hat a lot of reasonable people abandoned it

Try having a real, reasonable discussion about socialism there, you'll get nothing but MUH PEEN O'SHAY kiddies

"Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company." - Descartes

is it really yours to judge?
why do ALMOST all christ-fags fail at compassion

this is fucking retarded

it's like arguing that enjoying video games is a religion

there are really two things that can happen

one is that the alt-right at large disintegrates, under the weight of massive image issues and Trump being a total failure in every way, and Holla Forums goes back to the way it was before

two is that the alt-right goes even further right, distancing itself from Trump, along with the more "alt-lite" kekistani types, and accusing him of being a race traitor who sold out the white race for the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧globalist deep-state🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

No site is the driving force here. This is not movement but a zeitgeist.

Thats just not true. Most boards are liberal.Holla Forums is a containment board for i presume oldfags who hate brown people and those hook nose jews who apprently are behind anuddah shoah.

In a more in depth look. Pol is a board of lonely sex depraved losers who want to belong to a group. Us vs them mentality. It gives their life meaning i suppose. There are actual racist on pol but i think thats the minority. The majority are le ironic memesters and like i said lonely virgins who want to belong to a group

Video games and anime/manga shill for medieval fantasy which is trad propaganda.

I'd say there's no proof of that, but considering you ascribe that kind of tinfoil shit to begin with, I'd say it's obvious that your definition of "proof" is broader than PJW's asshole after a stay at Alex Jones' rumpus room

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Man, I don't agree with Nietzsche about everything, but I think he had you guys figured out. The shit people like you say absolutely reeks of repressed sadism and guiltmongering.

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Nation and economy, are a method of human organization, and neither are good. At least in our current iteration of them.

Race doesn't matter at all into this equation, its what man himself created through empire and nation.

You are witnessing "Nation" kill itself in slow motion over 200+ years of history.

How's /lit/ doing these days? I haven't gone there in years but I remember them always rejecting Holla Forums's trash. Or is it just Junger, Land, Evola, and Peterson these days?