Can I ask the anti-antifa bunch if they think normal sign carrying...

name one thing wrong with corporatism
no, fascists saying they like it doesn't qualify as something wrong with it

No Trump won because liberalism is collapsing (economic conditions, not social conditions caused by economic conditions) and people want a strongman to save the liberalism and Hillary was fucking shit.

You have one retard making the decisions based on his personal fickle whims, being that that individual is a human being and therefore fucking retarded, no matter how smart they are, their retardation needs kept in check. Further to this, people keeping his retardation in check are also retarded, the only way this can work out is if we don't give anyone enough power to cause damage, and we come only to decisions we can all collectively agree on, and our system should be one which seeks to facilitate this.

FUCKING THIS
antifa are just liberals that are crying over trump
we need something like a anti-cap

I don't have a problem with fascists getting rolled on but I do take issue with is communists and anarchists colluding with liberals to save capitalism from itself in the name of "antifascism".

endnotes.org.uk/issues/1/en/gilles-dauve-when-insurrections-die

I'm asking for a direct alternative solution to the actually existing issue of a large fascist march happening in your town. What is to be done? Nothing? Something? What?

Assume I accept your critique, what is to be done instead?

mass protest with as little LARPing as possible seems to be the most effective way to go about things. see it as a chance to get exposure for the left

Stop collaborating with liberals and maintain a strict anticapitalist line. You can still go out to confront fascists if you want.

Funny how you guys have the exact same mortal enemy as the media and big corporations.

I don't recall any anti-capitalist site being taken off the internet. Or anyone imprisoned for criticizing capitalism.

Really makes you think.

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This is a pretty baseless accusation really. I'm aware there is a large proportion of larping that goes on but anybody actually willing to silence a fascist with violence is by definition not a liberal in the classic sense.

no just straight up murdered

So, a normal, standard, march to this spot and wave this sign and chant this slogan protest?

Edgelord quoting gilles dauvé. Yes, fascsim and succdem is the same thing, living in capitalist democracy is the same as living in nazi germany. Buy stuff in supermarket=Gaz a kike.
Gilles dauvé is a joke outside of some weird french ultra-left sects. the man said negationsit stuff repeatdly, then denied it while apologizing and said he was right to say so. Typic bordiguist baby leftcom

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Management_Relations_Act_of_1947

FAGGOT

Lmao history disagrees. Read that link further up.

They shouldn't. I'm not saying liberals are consistent, just the even liberals recognise you need to crush fascism violently, you have apparently outliberaled the liberals in that regard.

Also there is literally nothing wrong with allying with liberals when you need to. Only a true autist thinks the left is ever going to have power without at least their tacit consent. They make up most of the population and we are losing ground with them rapidly.

I'm thinking about stuff like Boston, that got the alt right to cancel dozens of rallies . avoid unnecessary confrontations/LARPing as muh captain america. Remember, fascism is not an evil from outer space but a product of capitalism and alienation. It is neccesary to build a real grassroots anticapitalist movement and organise locally. Hysteria only helps the alt right its important to keep things in proportion. Nazi rallies are not new, but the hyper intensive cybernetic media coverage is. There is an emotional charge that wasn't there before. But remember, Charlottesville and Boston were seen by the alt right as catastrophic defeats that killed any middle term potential for their movement.

currentaffairs.org/2017/08/how-to-write-about-nazis

Maybe you should try reading the essay.>>2013435

Personally, I would try to set oneself up as a defensive but still strictly anti-capitalist group which makes itself apparent that it is working in the communities interest. Without some kind of communal connection, all people are going to see are two random opposing groups entering their town and getting in the way of their lives.
There does come a time though in capitalism where you almost have to wait for things to get bad and for the system to start folding in on itself unfortunately

This is your brain on anarcho-liberalism.

street protests are not effective. none of them are.

the ones with violence against people are even less effective, because nobody likes gratuitous violence

Why doesn't ANtifa attack evil corporations like Coca Cola instead of tearing down old statues?

Need bottles for throwing

Who is trying to do that? This sounds like a critique of leninism not antifa. This is a critique of alliance to the liberal state, not a critique of joining liberals in the street for certain causes.

Also all this basically tells me is that Dauve is a dramatist. It is objectively better for the workers to live under a liberal democracy than a fascist state, liberals at the very least afford the existence of trade unions, even if they are in a constant state of struggle. This is the worst form of academic disconnectedness.

should mean, organise and prepare for when things get bad, which means hooking up with other leftists of a militant bent, which means joining your local antifa and working with what you've got from their. If your ginormous brain with its superior ideals is truly so gargantuan I'm sure they'll come around to your way of thinking.

There is no leftist group around right now that could put a dent in coca cola in any meaningful way

You can effectively make life difficult for the most reactionary part of society with relatively low risk of jail by physically opposing them.

Also I would argue that actually most people do like gratuitous violence and the almost definitely preach it even if they don't know it. People aren't concerned with violence really, just who is committing it and why, you will notice over time that press attitude to antifa has improved over time and not got worse. As the reactionaries get more bold, more and more people are realising they need to be opposed.

Now think about, your average "liberal" as you call them hooking up with some actual leftists and becoming commie pilled at an antifa/liberal event such as charlottesville. I have it on good authority charlottesville has meant an incase in membership of the IWW for example.

This is how you get stuck in liberalism

The way they were handled at the "free speech" rally.

I have no problem with the CONCEPT of Antifa. There's an Antifa tradition in Europe that protect neighbourhoods from racists. But this current US iteration of it are a bunch of LARPers. Sure, show up to defend people, but there's nothing inherently good in smashing windows other than fun; porky don't give a fuck bout dat.

true that

there's a huge overlap between (american) antifa and idpol

The reactionary rednecks are doing even a a fifth of the damage to the planet that the Coca Cola corporation is. From what I can tell, Antifa isn't doing much of any good for anyone. There are better groups out there that are enacting meaningful direct action.

No you get stuck with liberalism by waiting for the revolution and refusing to organise in any manner that has any real chance of capturing the popular imagination. All this theory, although I love it, is what most people hate about the left, lofty ideas most people reject out of hand as pretentious or are even just plain intimidated by or flat out don't understand. The left has to focus on the visceral and tangible .

and I would support those groups. You do realise though the question of this thread was "how do you deal with a fascist march in your town". Your answer is what? blow up a coca cola factory? Okay that's a good plan but lets focus on the issue at hand. Whattaboutism at its finest.

Okay so you're saying the fash should be bashed just more in the euro tradition of actually bashing is that about right?

My experience at the Charlottesville rally was that the antifa present were VERY red. They had a free food table with "FOOD IS A RIGHT" banner right next to it, people were passing out copies of the socialist worker, and the main organizing force was the DSA.

Didn't see any iron front but I have doubt they'd try to move in there. There was a pretty big focus on remaining coherent against the nazis rather than solve any ideological beef.

*have no doubt

also my experience of anti-fa guy who made it is a pretty big tankmaster, the rest are anarchists, theres a fair chunk (the biggest chunk) of people who have read no theory at all but are generally anti capitalist (this demographic I will remind you make up the very biggest bulk of all revolutions ever bar none) . Those who speak up about shit tend to have strong left politics, the others tend to just listen and accept and ask questions rather than espouse the virtues of the free market or whatever.

Getting killed seemed to work pretty well.