With all the memes aside about kurdish women in military uniforms, how would you describe "the vanguard party of communist fashion" would look like, so-to-speak?
Don't gulag me for it but I really love bourgeoisie fashion so far, you pinko lot cannot possibly trump these A E S T H E T I C S :3
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People would prob just wear what they like and what the can get.
This is excellent. I am triggered by the lack of PoC representation. Are you some white supremacist?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Sure, but how would a different economic system and conditions influence the kind of fashion choices people make? Surely there is some differences there, just like how there was a tremendous change in fashion (mass-produced clothing) when we transistioned from feudalism to capitalism.
Probably a lot more personalized, maybe even completely home-made, clothing, rather than just wearing shit straight out of a store.
These girls are all eastern europeans that I posted in OP. Why are you racist against eastern europeans, they lived a hard life during USSR times you dirty american pig
This. Also more clothing made more locally instead of in distant factories in the third world.
So it's a little bit these customized online store sections see on the internet everywhere where every company and eceleb sells shirts, mugs, pencils and stuff with their brand logo or memes on them?
If this is the idea you get from home-made, personalised fashion, you're deep in ideology.
No, I'm saying people would customize their own stuff a lot more. A lot of people already do very simple shit right now, like drawing on their shoes or sewing patches on their jacket.
I think fashion is unfairly shunned by leftists as 'bourgeoise'. The truth is, fashion is the most common form of art available to the working class, far more common and accessible to the proletariat than museums or opera, for example. Not only this, it's also available for self-expression, instead of being art only for spectators.
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IMO Fashion would be like Uniqlo is today: Quality, elegantly minimalist clothes made for the masses democratically. Not cheap shit that falls apart after wearing it 3 or 4 times or bizarre haute-couture.
I'm a lover of that "art" of that hobby. And I can tell it would be pretty much the same tbh.
Style changes thanks to artists, people trying to get original.
The only thing that will happen is that fashion will become more accessible for more individuals.
Spooks tbh. It's just an art, even painting and statues have porky prices the higher you go with the "re-nowned artists". What would happen in socialism or communism is that the art will be more accessible therefore more styles which is healthy for fashion, it makes the art more interesting and unique.
People would hopefully have more fun with clothing. Things that are practical yet playful. Personally I'd like to see a return to tunics, puffy sleeves, capelets and the like.
Communism should be eternal larping and renaissance fair.
Everyone will just wear those Red Guard uniforms
Eh, it can be a form of personal expression just as any other craft. It's its awful industry that shits everything up. Well, that, and people with no fashion sense. Luckily, gulags can cure both things.
Tokyo is already a city like that. New styles experimental almost every week. It depends on the creativity of the individuals tbh, like always.
All hipsters will perish, everyone from London dies
get style stop being so autistic
only center looks completely ridiculous tbh
The only oddball is the center. The other guys if they just dressed not like liberals they would look fine.
Center is a tranny Beetlejuice.
More homosexual fetishization by liberal feminists. There'd be a meltdown if these wew straight men.
When the next Great Depression hits will beanpoles on the right go back to being considered unattractive? I think they will.
Nope, wrong. Hipsters are some of the most subtly reactionary trash around. They will all pretend to be leftist in a radical fashion but are all too self involved and narcissistic to ever pick up a book, so they are just the worst kind of liberal trash that doesn't even know its a liberal. Spends much, much more time perfecting hair and trousers that just don't quite touch the ankle and talking about how their friends are all amaaaazing but then bitching about all of them nonestop. All can die, we lose nothing. Also every tried organising IRL with hipsters? Lazy, most of them have no practical skills whatsoever, no real passion, its just a good look for them, a huge obstacle basically.
they're all ugly and dress like the nerds of lookbook.nu they're amateurs. If they were pretty they would pull it off through, pretty people can pull off absolutely anything really.
Hell even fucking weaboo core.
Dress however you like. Searching for a commie/counterculture fashion or aesthetic is a spook.
Practical clothes with a conscious rejection of bourgeois fashion.
Also I want my country to bring back its traditional clothes to some extend. I really the dutch male farmer clothes, its very similar to "normal" clothes but has a distinct vibe to it.
I mean look at this and say it doesnt look commfie as fuck
fashion and the appetite for it is mostly a result of the consumerist liberal capitalist culture we have today. it's an integral part of and expression of consumerism and capitalist values. it likely wouldn't be a thing in a communist society. the appetite for and creation of fashion and brands are wholly capitalistic. in the same way that actors are idolized today where in roman and greek times they were considered little better than prostitutes.
dude you can wear whatever you want just don't look like a retard. Don't get antique clothes that look like costumes you will look like one of those kekistan socially inept nerds.
I like it because I like the art & styles one can do with it. Period. Your shit about consumerism doesn't applies to me at all.
Brah fashion is purely artistic in its essence, but like any art, is corrupted by capitalism and production for profit in general.
Learn to differentiate that, as what you say about fashion can be applied to any form of art, be it paintings, music, videogames, whatever. The unfortunate side effect of capitalism is that only the rich have time to enjoy art, because the poor are kept ignorant to it, and work to much to ever partake in it. But in a post-revolutionary, post-scarcity society, all will have the time to both produce and peruse art, including fashion. Read bread book.
yes it does. its literally the product of liberal capitalist society. it would not exist without it. its actually the perfect expression of it. there is no greater expression of liberal capitalist values than to buy overpriced clothes made by kids in order to create an empty identity that conforms to the expectations of bourgeois society. without capitalism fashion is not even a thing. only clothing.
no, how the hell is fashion art? you fucking buy it and put it on to show off. you dont make it. you dont create it out of your own imagination it isnt original. every article of fashionable clothing is one of many made by a bunch of kids getting paid pennies by your capitalists. the demand for it is purely artificial and hyped up by the gods of society (actors, celebreties, etc.).
We need to bring uniforms back. Start Red Alert style then get most authentic.
You don't make colors or words either. Just combine existing shit.
lol you simpleton, its a form of expression, in the same way interpretative dance is.
Plenty of people do. I take it you don't talk to any women? I know a couple that are highly interested in fashion as an art form.
But according to your logic, music isn't an artform either, since I don't make it. Its not art to me, I can't enjoy an album and appreciate it as a form of expression because I've never picked up a guitar in my life. Paintings aren't art to me either I guess, I can only buy it and show it off on my wall, I can't appreciate it since I don't make it, right?
once again you are conflating a corrupted version of it within the context of the modern for-profit economy. Outside of said context it is simply another way to express yourself, as is all art.
Read bread book
it's a form of expression within capitalist society. it is entirely a commercial capital generating endeavor. it literally wouldnt exist without capitalism. there would be absolutely no reason for it. music predated capitalism. painting predates capitalism. art forms are expressions in and of themselves. fashion is literally a meme. there is no point in making and marketing clothing to consumers based around an identity or lifestyle they want to buy if consumerism stops being a thing.
i actually studied fine arts. the medium is the message. the medium of fashion is overpriced material built on the exploitation of people by the free movement of capital. the medium is worn on the body, marking the wearer and eagerly complicit in this. it is literally the mark of the beast.
if you want to find excuses for your bougie pastime of buying clothing in order to construct an empty seductive identity that's prefectly ok and understandable. but dont try to somehow include a purely capitalist endeaver and invention into a post capitalist society for the sole reason that you buy the bullshit the marketers and ad agencies sell you.
everyone should wear prole uniforms
Ancient Egyptians had capitalism?
how the hell it isn't an art. would be the right question. you're socially retarded you look like a misfit thats it, projecting your insecurity this is why girls dont like you, you look like shit man.
Even Marx aimed to be dressed Dandy. All the Young Hegelians / Die Freien did. Max Stirner just had the best body for the style.
Reason: because it's fun, it's attractive. It's so retarded to say all art is inherently Capitalist just because "high art" is sold at expensive porky prices, so so retarded.
Art in a socialistic or communistic society just becomes more accessible to the public it won't cease to exist.
did you actually pass any fucking classes. LMFAO
I wear cargo shorts I've had for the past 10 years, ripped t-shirts, and old shoes. I'm not personally a huge fan of fashion.
But that doesn't mean I am completely unaware of the artist potential of fashion.
Throughout history, people have partaken in fashion. Proto-communist tribal societies have utilized all sorts of fashion, be it feathered headresses, piercings, jewelry, ornate garments, ect. I mean, dude its so glaringly obvious, do I really need to lay it out? Feudal soceity, which predates capitalism, featured plenty of fashion, rings, fancy clothing, colors. Medieval Near and South Asian peoples mastered makeup.
People, since antiquity and in societies absolutely independent of capitalism have utilized their bodies as mediums for artist expression. I fail to see how fashion in this sense is not an artform.
Once again, I will keep reiterating, I think you are conflating a modern corrupted version of said art, in much the same way I could easily do by saying music is not art because garbage butt rock bands like nickleback pervert the music industry.
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In all honesty I think the guy is just an anarcho-primmie. Primmies are retarded af but we got a few in Holla Forums.
jesus youre projecting really hard here. girls are just people man. im sure they think youre okay just dont be weird.
i actually dress well, but thats cause in the scene i run in everyone dresses well and if you dont you stand out in a bad way.
this whole conversation sort of has me thinking about why leftists and socialists in general suck at making decent art or media. behind the edgy veneer ya'll are basic bitches that think buying that cool top and looking cool in it is equivalent to being an actual creative.
I have had a lot of chicks (& dudes) complimenting the styles I make often. Doing things to be pleasing to the eyes of other people (but most importantly to your own eyes) isn't inherently Capitalist you're spooked af.
I have even come as far as to make my own clothes or modifying the clothing I already own to make it look cooler everyone digs that especially myself. It pleases me and I'll keep doing it.
Why is it that the neo nazi uniform is polos and khaki chinos?
Why does antifa dress like, well, shit?
Dude, fashion is the most easily accesible form of art and self-expression to people. Of course it gets co-opted by capitalism much like rap, video games and victorian painting, but this does not diminish the fact that it is art. You must be some sort of snob to think that only the stuff in fine arts museums is art.
antifa dresses red and/or black which almost always looks good tbh.
OP here, surprised to see this argument rolling up in my yesterday's thread.
I have to go with the one that fashion is like any other artform, which can be appropriated by capitalism. I say this because I've talked to some fashion designers IRL and they all hang out with the other art school kids and such, they are not as bourg as you think. If you wanna see bourgeoisie in fashion industry, look towards the porkies who generate money from brands.
You are just plain ignorant if you can't recognize fashion as an expression. Most commonly, it signals your status and environment, like how most working class people wear jeans and such, not because it's a western commodity thing but it's a durable material that lasts. The practicality becomes hugely important in rural environments. In urban environments, the practicality becomes less important, and you have people mostly only wearing clothes for status, like the hip-hop stuff, or suits.
There was also a study where one man was wearing casual clothes and women were asked to rate his attractiveness (he was standing behind the window IRL) and they rated like 4 or 5. Then the same man dressed up in a suit and different set of women rated the same man, and this time, he was rated 7 or 8 from 10.
Why do they all look so pissed off?
It literally existed for thousands of years before it.
Conflating the circumstances of production with the content is an idiot's approach to anti-capitalism, user.
if youre over 16 and this is what you think looks "cool" i got news for you user
isn't the revolution supposed to be worldwide?
The style of antifas resembles techwear the most. It's urban, light with lots of pockets and dark. Perfect for urban exploration.
They're ninjas that bash the fash
whats the alternative? dadcore? fuck that I live in the city, I dress urban, practical but with style. I'm done dressing dadcore I already had that stupid ass phase. The way I dress now is liked by my gf & myself.
I'm not actually against americans it was just banter desu
fashion might be art but it's bourgie art. no one is really into the latest rick owens x acronym collab unless they're 1. bourgeois fucks or 2. retards who can't manage money and spend their whole paycheck on fucking moon shoes
This unironically describes a sizeable segment of the working class.
or they can fucking get them second hand from people who do not want them anymore for way cheaper? I have not spent in clothes more than $50 in my life.
And once I shoplifted a coat worth $200. Thats the most expensive clothing I own.
Im caught between Gerrys cool look, and wearing a 5p bag as a balaclava.
Is this a serious question?
Anarkiddies never change.
Well to be honest they have never been taught how to properly manage money. Most of the working class ppl have never attended a single enterprising, budgeting or finances course. It's actually funny how knowing some very basic rules to enterprising/business can help you see through much of the PR shit you are subjected to every day through ads, targeted ads and more ads, and helps you make buying decisions not based on hurrdurr I liked that thing when I saw it at the shop/online and I wanted to have it rite now!!1! emotionalism.
unskilled.
Not even FBI I'm serious as fuck. Fuck the law, illegalism is the life.
I once put an entire outfit at the store and just walked outside. It was so natural that nobody questioned it. Everything is mine.
Cheap plain clothes, so we are all equal and don't have to spend much resources in achieving that. That would be the state issued "uniform" of the citizen anyways. If you have some more freedom in your commie implementation, people would just make their own clothes, and the fashion would be like a modern hipster one.
My commie exgf for example traveled Europe and drank different kinds of beer, and had the different bottle caps sewn into her bag like badges. And badges in general were very popular in her circle, as well as home made clothes and accessories.
Porky is insured against your shoplifting attempts and other petty crime. Sometimes porky even earns money from insurance and loses absolutely nothing. Only thing your attempt does is to inconvenience retail proles who get yelled at by the porky for not keeping eye on the diminishing inventory and at worst might even get fired for being accused of stealing from the job.
But whatever, if you wanna listen to scratched punk-rock records, sew DIY patches on leather jackets, shoplift and do all that other lifestylist bullshit, I can't obviously stop you.
I still got it for free for my own pleasure. Porky is my bitch.
Well one of those days porky's gonna send in his army of policemen and security guards and you're fucked, and none of what you've achieved will amount to anything. Maybe if you manage to gather "a union of egoists" and smash a store, then you could do significant damage to a smaller porky, but to effectively damage a corporation, you'd need a nation-wide campaign.
I know what I'm talking about because one of my old classmates used to brag to me about his petty thefts when he was in elementary, and now 10 years later, he is pretty much a career criminal who probably faces real prison time by now. It's a shitty road you shouldn't take. Read books and join political orgs instead.
nah.
In my country they sometime organize anarchist fairs where you can trade stuff for stuff. Maybe that would be of your self interest?
Well theres the issue, I cant sow and I got no sense of artistry. If this shit is going to happen I need someone who actually knows how to do fashion to design the clothes.