Lenin lives, stalin lives

I stand by my point

khomeini is one of the only symbols of anti-imperialism in this century. just because you don't agree with the shiaa religion doesn't nullify the anti-american anti-imperialism sentiment he expressed. he literally did the suicide bombing against american troops in lebanon.

and when american troops die to an anti-imperial force thats always a good thing. unless you are some american faggot who condones unwarranted military action against "defenseless savage 3rd world nations"

Jesus christ every time I come here when I become interested in communism, theres a poster who actually wants to kill anyone who has opposing viewpoints

Are you all smashies? I try to tell myself that a board isn't just one person, but goddamn. Everyday with this. This shit discourages any newcomer with interest. You guys need to be better than Holla Forums

Yes, I'm everything wrong with leftism for not supporting openly capitalist, far right states like Putin's Russia or Assad's Syria
libcom.org/blog/syria-imperialism-left-1-08082012

Khomeini was a faggot and the west fears a secular, honest social-democrat in strategic regions more than they fear any suicide bomber.

Finally someone fucking gets it.

Stop being a tool of American imperialism kid.

No thanks

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I honestly get the feeling that most tankies on here are just cointelpro

Oh wow that's rich. I'm sure you understand then that there is no communist side in Syria then and simply abstain from "critically supporting" any one right?

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cooperativeeconomy.info/could-communal-economy-be-a-distinct-mode-of-production/

"Yes, it does exist and does operate. Wherever commodities and commodity production exist, there the law of value must also exist."
- Joseph Stalin, "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR"

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/index.htm

If you don't support capitalism, you're a reactionary who deserves a bullet to the brain.

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Not all ancoms are the same. When did you see me voice support for Rojava? I personally lean more towards The Invisible Committee and Tiqqun than I do towards current mainstream anarcho-communism (Graeber, Chomsky).

This makes leftcoms look retarded though. Once again leftcoms do not understand the origin of a meme and painfully insert themselves into it in an attempt to seem relevant. Leftcoms are about as important as a normie during capitalisms collapse.

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Lmfao this is why left unity is a joke.

But when one establishes several states, and the other sees the rise of fascism and becomes a CIA honeypot, it makes you wonder why leftcoms are considered a school of thought rather than the school of makes ya think.

Stop being an opportunist then. Also stop indirectly supporting imperialism.

You don't have to support Assad, honestly. You just have to realize that the United States would fuck up Syria far worse than Assad could ever do. I mean look at Libya.

It's a good thing I support the DFSNS then and not the US

kys

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I implied that I didn't support Rojava in the post quoted. Mostly that's because it's irrelevant. I have read enough about it to know, however, that it's not nationalist. Stop spreading bullshit memes.
This is why no one likes Leninists and their cohort dicksuckers - your first goal is to justify the party line in public and establish a state where it has complete control, not to search for the truth and free people from material constraints, the goals of actual socialists. This goal even overrides your capacity for rational discourse. It's indicative of mental illness tbqh. You display many signs of a cult.

you are an idiot. read marx.

I have read Marx and have mixed opinions about his work. I certainly am not anti-socialist.
Even in your own pic, it describes charges of fanaticism against socialist and mentions that there are anti-Leninist varieties of socialism, implicitly against the cultism associated with it it.
I refuse to think that a functional, unlobotomized person could be this bad at internet arguments. Are you a bot?

>It is about participating in a democratic workplace.
>Not about abolishing the commodity form, production for exchange, etc.

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They're both capitalists who I never have and never will support.

Utopian garbage

The USSR collapsed.

This "really existing socialism" rhetoric is horrifically anachronistic now that really existing socialism no longer really exists. Now is the time for reflection and critical examination of the USSR, not blind worship. You gain absolutely nothing from worship of a state that's been dead for a quarter of a century.

I knew tankies were revisionists but holy shit

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isn't that technically antisemitic?

Cuba and the DPRK. That's still a thousand times more than what every other tendency has ever achieved.
So far I only see Marxist-Leninists do that, many others just yell state capitalism and are done with it.

It's utopian garbage to think you can abolish the law of value with a single policy or something. The USSR was in a siege situation and in direct competition with the capitalist world, to think it's possible for the law of value (which isn't restricted to capitalism btw) to fade away in such a predicament is utopian and anti-materialist.

old che wasn't too smart was he

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No, all M-Ls do is whine about "revisionism" like a bunch of utopulians. Most radical critiques of the USSR come from other tendencies.

Nah man they've got that sweet-ass socialism following the immortal ML doctrine. We all know this.

You can make all the excuses you want for why it didn't or couldn't achieve socialism, but that doesn't change the fact that it wasn't socialist

Kim Il Sung states specifically that communism isn't attainable as long as imperialism exists, and I tend to agree with him. I don't really care what some tourist guide says who probably thinks communism = everything the USSR did.

You mean by making stupid infantile generalizations like "sdade gabbitalism xD" these critiques appear somewhat radical but are absolutely useless.

I don't see a single argument there
Sure it wasn't socialism. Because if it actually was, you'd be forced to engaged with it which you are a) too lazy to do or b) might ruin the bonus points you want to get with liberals.

The USSR set our cause back 100 years, fuck off.

Had wage labor, had private property, had production for exchange as you concede by admitting commodities existed. Bureaucratic control over the MoP isn't the same thing as worker control, and people could only vote for whomever the party allowed to be voted for. There was a market both internal and external, and socdem policies do not make a country socialist. Try again

Soviet union wanted to fuck over my country with intended plan to bring in hundreds of thousands of "foreign workers" to work in the phosporite mines that would've fucked up half of my country's natural habitat forever.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorite_War

I'm on board with marxism and some of the ideas from leninism, but you are a brainwashed idiot if you still in 21th century unironically endorse USSR.

The tour guides tote the state line 100%. He wouldn't have had said that if it wasn't the official party stance.

Confirmed for not having read any of the "infantile generalizations".

State capitalism is one, but there are many more, most notably the idea that the USSR was a degenerated workers state run by the bureaucrats.

Fucking where? It's funny that you post feels>reals but make all sorts of mental acrobatics so you can continue to live with that belief that the USSR was capitalist from toe to hairline.
Again, you show lack of any nuance by completely misinterpreting. Commodity production existed only in the cooperative farms, the rest was production for use, and even the cooperative commodity production in agriculture had a very palliated product in for exchange as they sold their surplus in fixed prices and guaranteed contracts to the state. This is nitpicking.
This shit again? Explain to me what you mean by this, I've never heard a justifiable explanation for this besides vague assessments. Workers had worker councils and trade unions which assessed control over each trade and managers could be recalled directly. And then there is the proletarian democracy with soviet delegates nominated by worker organizations.
lmao. No, that's just wrong. There are innumerable occasions where workers not only voted for the candidate the party was opposed to, they could also utter heavy criticism into the face of the manager and the local party officials. There are witness accounts about this.
Explain how. Yes there was an external demand since the outside world was capitalist. Are you kidding me?
They don't, but I can't see a socialist state existing with patriarchy, racism and zero welfare. I also have yet to see a SocDem state achieving zero unemployment. SocDems are notorious for increasing unemployment rates due to minimum wages.
Your arguments are utter shit.

The official party stance is that the DPRK is a socialist country.

I've read both "The Slave State" and "What was the USSR" and both make the conclusion that the USSR was state capitalist. So what "nuanced, radical ultraleft critique" are you talking about? Most I read are historically illiterate and copy-paste anti-communist smears.
That's usually a Trotskyst critique because they at least admit that the USSR wasn't capitalist because that would mean that the Trotskyst notions of socialism would be just as state capitalistic. It's still not a very good critique because Stalin was pretty much anti-bureaucrat and to think that Trotskys collectivization would have been less bureaucratic is simply ridiculous. They don't bother explaining what they mean by "degenerated workers state" in detail, or what they would have don't different, they just use smears. I've yet to read "Revolution betrayed" but that's what I got from most Trots.

bamp

How am I supporting imperialism. I always root for US military failure. I sure as fuck don't support Assad, but I did support Gaddafi.
IDK how not liking authoritarian state-capitalism automatically means I like the United States and want to see more war. FFS guys come on now.

K. My life sucks anyways and I want to die.

The USA doesn't stop being imperialist from wishful thinking.

Op is a fag and should read marx

There's no incentive to create great things if you are not rewarded for them

This is why communism always fails

this is the stupidest shit i've ever heard in my entire life. communism failed because
1. 3rd world shithole countries without a proper capitalist system tried to make the step towards communism, and communism will never work unless capitalism has existed before it
2. the cia and global imperialist countries actively couped in any country leaning towards communist that wasn't a 3rd world shithole because resources and trade
3. all communism is is the workers owning the means of production. The system is exactly as you see it today except instead of some fat jew owning 100 factories sitting on his ass passing it down from generation to generation making billions and achieving power the people who work in the factories own the factories. they still do the same exact work but get paid more because the fat jew isn't exploiting them and taking money out of their paychecks and doing no work whatsoever. When these people get more money they can afford to automatize the factory or hire more help and still get the resources and monetary value they need. all communism is is destroying the parasitic class that keep us from being a country where those who work actually get paid and those who don't work get jack shit. this literally solves all the worlds problems, and things like immigration that you hate so much would cease to exist without capitalism, also you wont be stuck working in the service industry while more and more of our jobs go to mexico and india to be done for penny a day wage slave labor further dividing the gap between the rich and the poor and ceasing economic collapses. if a 1st world country like america and not a hellhole like russia after losing a war became communist we would all be chilling on the moon in a year and everyone would have to work considerably less to make considerably more.

How is establishing a variety of states which failed to change the mode of production worth anything?

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Reminder that Fanny Kaplan did nothing wrong

except miss

jesus you guys are annoying you know that

Sweet edit.

most people deserves a bullet to the brain regardless tbh

no pol pot destroying glasses is not socialism

Or… maybe… he's the socialest?

pol was right all along