What are your views on the muslim immigration in Europe?

Yeah, you don't know shit about Islam. There's a political component to Christianity too, it's just gone through reformation movements, whereas Islam is still going through a bit of an identity crisis. The US and the Saudis have done more to push radical islamic theology forward than any other country tbh.

Result of Western and especially Murican imperialism. As long we treat them decently and give them opportunities, they get of their sky wizard shit. With the numbers coming so far they are mostly irrelevant and the only issue to address are quotas for the countries and integration.

No sand religion works with democracy if left unchecked, which it is in Western countries. Hell, even Turkey was relatively sane before that idiot wanted to become Turkish Putin.

Islam is the mother of all bad spooks and should be quarantined

the middle east was the most prosperous under socdems, kys
secularism flourishes when material conditions are alright, fundamentalists cant do shit unless things go south

Well, its not europe, but my country has been taking refugees from Middle East since ever, and even so you dont hear about islamic attacks on Brazil
To be honest, they deserve it, its their fault for overthrowing the leftist secular republics that all this shit happened in the first place, If I was born in Middle East, seeing all that shit happened I would probably go for terrorism too

Well, to be fair Europe was that dumb friend, who followed their insane buddie, who loved to start shit, so Murica should take many, many more, but in the core of it, you're correct.

Oh, yes, definitely

This is demonstrably false…

Gusanos & White Emigres taking advantage of Diversity™. Sub-zero revolutionary potential.

Speaking as a European, I fully support immigration and open borders, HOWEVER I do believe the Left is really fucking stupid for not integrating Muslims (and all immigrants) much better.

Muslim immigrants have zero revolutionary potential from a leftist viewpoint. Yes, they may feel resentment towards European society and may feel alienated by secular, postmodern European values, but this in no way entails that they are socialists or communists. If anything, they're comparable to so-called "rednecks" in the US much more than they are industrial proles. The best thing the Left can do is organize them *as members of the working class* rather than "noble savage Muslims".

Untrue. Those images you see of women in mini skirts in 1970s Egypt, Tunisia, Iran, and Afghanistan were urban elites who bore little resemblance to women in the countrysides of said countries.

*rapes you

Wouldn't be a problem if the west could stop bombing the shit out of the middle east for two fucking seconds, and is generally supported by the neoliberal establishment only for cynical and self-serving reasons

Hardcore reactionary Islam was not a problem until America started giving those groups billions of dollars in order to fight the ebil gommies. It would be like Russia giving the aut-right in America millions every year. Eventually they would start to affect the political discourse and could even come to dominate it completely. Get rid of America and it would disappear.

I agree, but that doesn't mean those countries had zero religious nutjobs before.

Depends.

I can't believe I thought that this board would be anything other than retarded little kiddies with retarded little kiddie ideas.
I hope that stupid fucking polack is here, maybe he can explain city state polack communism to me on his own home board.
Fat fucking chance.

Yeah, because nobody fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan was a Muslim, right?
Retard. Predictable since you're posting with that rag.

Its pathetic, but not surprising, to see a little lefty babby turn to great manism when it comes to hard facts about a uniquely disgusting nation.
Turkey was always an Islamist country, the only people who ever cared about Ataturk were urban elite. It was never 'sane', there were coups every decade to prevent Erdogans and Edogan's-lite coming to power.

Fucking mongoloid.

You and your faggot bowel movement are too weak and too timid to actually do it, all you are good for is 'kokoko'ing about muh Nazis, as always.
Don't worry, little babby, we'll handle them for you, and then fifty years later you retard cunts can pop up again and forget everything that happened, puking up the same lines you always do.

And how many of those refugees are Muslims, you simian spastic?

'Y-you're totally right, hehe, I mean, you have to be, because if you were wrong…'

They don't want to integrate into your degenerate 'culture', retard. They don't want it.
Get this into your paper skull, it shouldn't be hard.
They're not even working class, retard, they're lumpen shit and always have been. The ones who aren't lumpen shit are petit bourgeois kebab shop gang rapists.

You must be the mong-left. How can you actually buy into this sort of idiot fantasy? Even the 'Russian shills' line? As though movements can be called up and banished like you're a wizard - which you are, but not the kind that is potent, quite the opposite actually.

'Depends'. Are you people too pussy even to disagree with one another openly, or is this the kind of inbred, neutered heeing and humming around the obvious that you see in any pishy little four-man branch meeting?

It's gonna cause problems but the west created it with climate change and wars

'Only we appreciate the centrality of class in history!'

'MUH WEST MUH MURRICA MAO IS SHIT EXPLOITER NATIONS WEEWOOWEEWOOWEEWOO!'

Reminds me of why I apostatised in the first place.

K I L L M E

muslims enrich the lumpen

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This retard is a example of the dunning kruger effect in action. Literally kill yourself.

Everyone living in Afganistan was a muslim, including the millions of refugees who fled the American-backed Islamists after the war.
Mossadegh was a muslim, Nasser was a muslim, Arafat was a muslim, Gaddaffi was a muslim and Assad is a muslim.
No really cares if you LARP clash of civilizations in your own board, or on social media or anywhere else, just don't expect your retardation to go unchallenged here.

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Shit, as they're mostly reactionary cunts. But then, so are the natives and it's a predictable outcome of constantly ruining the Middle East and really most of the world.

Europe does more than enough nasty shit of its own. This is actually one of the most effective types of European propaganda, this "holier than thou" narrative towards the US. Everything the US does is condemned and looked down upon, thereby distracting from all the horrible things the European nations do themselves. Consider all of France's adventures in Africa, for instance, or the role European corporations and governments play in the systematic exploitation of the peripheral nations right alongside those of the US and other powers.

The left is full with people like you. Muslims are more prone to religious radicalism and won't give a flying fuck about a left revolution, only an islamic revolution led by their clergy. They only leech off the system or somehow integrate (and not thanks to the leftists whose views towards muslims/brown people are simply paternalistic)

Does not compute.

Also, there is no need for any "compatibility" between Islam and communism, as every ideology is ultimately determined by the mode of production.

You're generalizing way to much. Salafism is a giant issue and on average, Muslims in Europe are probably more reactionary than the native population but that doesn't mean every Muslim is some sort of theocratic fascist. Leftists are thing in the Middle East.
I live in Germany and in the area where I grew up, the radical Left was like 50% Turks and Kurds.

The native snowniggers are just as reactionary as the sandniggers tbh.

Well enjoy being put down by a Caliphate or being put down by western liberalism either way you're getting put down.

They deserve more than the suburbanites who chastise them.

Sure thing timmy

In Europe suburbanites are the poor ones fam

While everyone focuses on muh rapefugees, eastern European migrant workers drive down wages and scab during strikes. That's not their fault, it's a problem inherent to capitalism that you see everywhere in the world. However, it's still an issue and it's a way bigger one, affecting way more people than the ebil refugees.
Other Muslim migrants who came here in the second half of the 20th century are often among the poorest in society. Politicians can conveniently ignore the systemic issues of capitalism by blaming this poverty on a lack of integration on the immigrants' part.
Meanwhile, the Saudis are funding fundamentalist Islam all over Europe and Erdogan is turning migrant Turks more nationalist every the day.
All around, it's a real fucked up situation that divides the working class.

My personal opinion is that the mass immigration of peoples from the middle east and elsewhere into europe is the result of decades of unwarranted foreign intervention by neo-liberal powers, followed by an incredibly laissez-faire attitude towards containing the recent refugee crisis.

Whilst I don't believe this was originally a capitalist plot to import masses of cheap labour, the upper classes have certainly taken advantage of the situation for their own benefit and have time and time again lambasted the native populations of European nations for being less productive and less willing to work for shite pay than their foreign counterparts.

Authoritarian incarnations of Islam are something to be fought against, just as authoritarian incarnations of Christianity and Judaism have been and will be used as justifiers to keep the proles in line and not speak out about their exploitation.

I do not believe that immigrants are a 'natural ally' of the left as I personally argue that the idea of natural allies is a very cynical idea and implies that certain groups hold some sort of natural predisposition towards left wing values. However, if immigrants can be encouraged to join a hard left cause and not give in to pure ideology then obviously this is good.

I was legitimately quite surprised that in the recent UK election, during the televised debates Jeremy Corbyn used the old Labour justification for containing mass immigration, and received very little public backlash, with only UKIP really arguing against him, stating that they didn't believe Jeremy's heart was really in it.

All in all, I think Zizek is right, immigrants are fine, just don't treat them like children and deny them active agency by trying to make up for the mistakes of individual migrants by projecting the causes of their woes onto vague social phenomena. Even in a socialist/communist society there will no doubt be a set of customs we all wish to live by.

Most of them are actual refugees and need help.
Economic migrants should not be accepted.

Vetting and a more efficient border control would reduce it dramatically.
Ideally, we should build refugee camps directly in the Middle-East to offer a safe haven to the persecuted people.

I think that when the war is over (it soon should be, ISIS is on its last legs), they should be politely asked to leave. I support citizenship tests with a full understanding of the language, basic law and history knowledge, as well as a cultural understanding of the host country to grant nationality.

In the mean time, refugees need to be administratively controlled and housed properly, the sad display in Calais is a fucking shame for both sides.

If you're afraid of great replacement, then push for policies that encourage white people to have more children - and those are not Capitalist policies.

Pretty sure loads of natives would fail this.

egypt was secular as fuck and so were many other places. "miniskirts" are not related to this. Its about general political culture.

They might, but on the other hand they have supposedly passed A-Level/Baccalauréat/Abitur and so have known it at some point.

Question like "When is the national Holiday", "What does it celebrates", and "What is the motto of our country", "What is the role of the President + check the right answer" shouldn't be too hard.

A suburbanite is a suburbanite, they're the same as in America.

Nat cucklet. Social democrats, first against the wall.

sauce on image?

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It is your zionist jew white house who starts wars with enemies of israel to build the greater israel, and to destroy Europe. Kalergi plan.Commies why do you hate so much??

Communists are anti-zionist
Im european

It's an invasion. The muslims see it as an act of conquest over kuffirs and the European governments who are encouraging it see it as a means of eradicating inconvenient western traditions like democracy, justice and the rule of law. Behind it all are the jews who want to to destroy white culture and ultimately the white race so they can rule over bestial mongrel slaves.

Never before in history has a nation's rulers waged war against their own people by allowing a foreign army to invade and usurp.

Orcs vs humans, rebranded.
And people compare us socdems to this.

read a fucking book you dumb nigger

t. leftypol

what did he mean by this?

Why? They are just as much victims of our policies, just not hit as hard yet.

Not sure about the others but Abitur is only done by a minority of people, nor does it guarantee any of the knowledge sans language.

Got a masters degree, and wouldn't know the answer to any of the shit nor care. How would the questions be of any use? Something more practical and law related would be a lot better to see how well people fit into the culture.

We need to adhere to democratic principles. If a majority of some country don't want immigrants then the country shouldn't take in immigrants. It's that simple.

They are not. Source: about two thirds of asylum applications are rejected after even a lenient investigation. And besides, as climate change picks up, the old definitions of who is a refugee become fairly meaningless. We need mechanism to deal with large movements of people regardless of whether they are refugees right now, efficient bureaucratic machines to help warehouse and assimilate large numbers of frankly backward people.

Multiculturalism has been achieved so i support shutting EU borders at this point.

Because Europe cannot host the whole world's misery, but it must take its fair share.
Which means helping war refugees, development aid, and eradicating the legacies of colonialism like Franc CFA.
I stand corrected.
The Bac or Brevet (lowest diploma available) here always have a civic education part, which includes what I've mentioned.
For shame.
I'd say it's what we call "Culture générale" here, basically knowing a few trivial stuff about the country and the world.
Culture générale is required of all civil servants here, regardless of rank.

Yes, but I was talking about those who actively were refugees - Yazidis, Syrians, and the like.
I more or less agree, but I'm less pessimistic. I think we still have time to fix it.
They aren't technically backward, just accustomed to a different culture.
Polynesia is first threatened by climate change and is that backwards, with easily a 0.7+ HDI. That's higher than Moldova.

If it can create a good part of it, it only makes sense to deal with the consequences.

Which is much larger than we take now either way. Countries like Lebanon or Afghanistan have much, much, much more refugees despite not doing anything related to the issues that cause these.

Just why? It doesn't tell us much about how well people fit into the culture. People could've just learn it as trivia to answer the question without every getting why these things matter. I bet millions could repeat liberté, equalité, fraternité without being able to truly define these nor how important the shit is.
Also AFAIK something similar exist or existed for immigrants in Germany but with questions like the amount of federal states.
Knowledge of laws are much more practical: "No, it's not legal to slap your wife for wearing a skirt, Ahmed."

Overrated, I thought they were coming in by hundreds of millions but no, it's like 2 million a year at most, it's nothing. I had hope Europe would finally get it's teeth kicked in but no.

God Damn you're bootyblasted

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I'd argue that we aren't responsible for the faults of our past governments.
Let's also not put passion before reason : you can only efficiently manage so much refugees at a given time. They need houses, food, a job, a network to help them make their mark, teaching, all while suffering cultural displacement and longing to return home.

Because that's something Holla Forumstards don't realise : most refugees will probably go home once it's over, go reconstruct their country, meet or bury their friends and family.

That's rich coming from a man who wanted to raze Benghazi.

"Responsible" is a tricky word in this context since there is no vacuum. Even if we didn't elect them, we profited or paid for their decisions and if the country was reasonably powerful, the decisions also had impacts on people outside. Drawing the line at a new government is just as simplistic as playing blame game based on events centuries ago.

Though yes, from a certain number on, we won't be in the position to offer an improved situation for them. If half of Africa would come here to find a job, the whole journey would be a waste of time. Although we're a good way away from being anywhere near that point either way.

France was always a Catholic country, the only people who ever cared about Robespierre were urban elites.

Guess which European government actually pursued that very agenda not so long ago

The ME it's a wartorn shithole thanks in part to meddling from the West. Western countries should bear some responsibility for accepting the refugees and saving them from war and starvation.

However, it was the US more than Euro, so US should be taking more

It's being used by the political elites to get what they want. And they'll get it, as they always do. You will see an Islamic takeover or a fascist police state develop in Europe within the next 30 years. No matter what option, the elites win. The Europe that we used to know is effectively gone at this point.