What the actual fuck is Gamergate?

I joined chan culture after gamer gate and I had to stop playing muh vidya for about half a year because of autists sperging shit whenever there was some female gamer in the lobby.
I get two stories, one is gaming culture under attack from SJWs, another one is some dude went onto 4chan and asked for a personal raid army against his girlfriend. I'm conflicted so I thought I'd ask Holla Forums since you seem knowledgeable.
Also when I first joined Holla Forums it was for this same question on 4chan that got me banned and told to fuck off to Holla Forums
This isn't a bait thread eith

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molleindustria.org/blog/gaming-under-socialism/
boards.4chan.org/v/thread/387964746
encyclopediadramatica.rs/GamerGate
knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/gamergate
thisisvideogames.com/gamergatewiki/A Review Of Game Journalism _ GamerGate Wiki.html
archive.fo/HMvuc
eater.com/2017/8/23/16192508/kfc-virtual-reality-training-oculus-rift
youtube.com/watch?v=59smIvEZ8hM
hackernoon.com/the-big-fat-compendium-of-russiagate-debunkery-4278a753a3af
consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Dead, leave it buried.

Holla Forums was created out of gamergate. It's bannable offence to talk about gg on 4chan. Also Holla Forums is the only place on the internet were people still talk about that mess

Consumer rights' movement fighting a battle against video game feminism which in only a matter of 6 months it managed to consider cultural Marxism.

Some bitch fucked some game reviewers to give her shitty game good reviews and her boyfriend found out and wrote a long blog post about it and people were talking about it and there was a massive multi platform wide censorship campaigns that included 4chan where anyone who talked about it got shadow banned which is why the exodus happened from 4chan and why I post here now. Then the movement got coopted by neo- Nazis and it went from being about "ethics in games joirnalism" which, let's be honest, has never existed and if you thought it did you never paid any attention to it in the first place, and became a giant sperg fest that died… thank God.

Basically just let the dead rest in peace/piss.

a completely depoliticized consumerist space for discontent

it's extremely ironic to me how much gamerfags oppose democratic ownership over the means of production.
you can't even say anything remotely leftist on Holla Forums without getting banned. Sony must have bought out the board under Hiroshimoot's rule or something.

I thought it was a bunch of retards spamming it on Holla Forums and then sperging out when they got told to go back to Holla Forums.

Shit I forgot to anchor the thread. Make sure you sage the thread, thanks!

There wasn't much spamming at the start. They were banned on Holla Forums at the beginning and eventually found their way to Holla Forums after being banned on all other boards, then it came back to Holla Forums where it started getting spammed after people realized every thread they made about it was being deleted outside Holla Forums.

a clusterfucking embarrassment that people take far too seriously.

but why all the bans? who the fuck cares about some bitch that fucked some guys for good reviews?

what would the benefits of democratic ownership be?

I've never seen a good explanation for why discussion of it was banned at the beginning. The best guess I saw was that one of the mods was friends with her or the Kotaku journalist involved, but that's never been proven as far as I'm aware.

The gaming press was a dumpster fire for years prior to Gamer Gate and even Holla Forums knew this as event by the Dorito Pope memes. Then Holla Forums and Holla Forums acted all shocked that the gaming press praised Depression Quest and it quickly spiralled downhill when forums banned talk about that corruption.

At least that might've been why it was banned on 4chan. It was banned almost everywhere else online as well, though, when it started to spread outside of 4chan.

It was a consumer revolt that got co-opted by Le Rational Skeptics and Holla Forums.

It was right for moot to ban gamergay. It was literally just another chanology, except worse and almost immediately hijacked by Holla Forumstards. I don't know why anyone gave a fuck about it to begin with. Game journalism has never been a thing. It's always been advertising.

It as a thing in the 1970's at least no one can point to corruption in the hobbyist magazines early in the industries history.

It was banned before it even became a major story, though. If anything, the first bans that sent it to Holla Forums made it worse by resulting in a Streisand effect.

it was dumb gay shit that nobody cares about

This.

It started out as people revolting with some very legitimate criticism that quickly turned into a mess of "rationals"

Here's what happened:

"SJWs" were already a thing. The internet New Atheist had well transitioned into its anti-feminist stage, Anita Sarkeesian had been doing her series and getting attacked by people like Thunderf00t and Amazing Atheist.

Among this, the indie-game scene and game journalism etc. started to take on a more liberal SJW aesthetic. Everything was all cutesy and colourful and had blue hair etc. You had games with idpol themes like Gone Home. In addition, game blogs and sites started running these "woke" takes about how hard it is to be a woman in the gaming scene because of the behaviour of white men, featuring phrases like "you are the problem."

Then some guy posts a blog about how his gf, Zoey Quinn, cheated on him with some (or many) game reviewing, insinuating that it was to get good reviews for her game. (Btw the game itself was basically 21st century white liberal American depression porn; I mean it even started with a quote by David Foster Wallace).

The general hatred of women of 4chan culture combined with an irritation of constantly being lectured about their manners by this bourgeois idpol liberalism meant Holla Forums could easily swoop in, so you had Holla Forums + Holla Forums combining forces which is a shit load of people (it also spread to leddit). And even fucking Milo came in - this was how he was born. There's literally a quote by him where says he thought gamers were a bunch of fat losers until he realised they hate feminists too.

A shitload of anons just started harassing people online so from the mainstream liberal perspective it was a woman hater bullying campaign. From the perspective of Holla Forums - which I observed at the time - a shitload of them were just young people who didn't know anything about politics and wanted to be left alone with their sexist games.

Moral of the story: gamers can't take criticism, but the criticism was shit to begin with.

No war but class war.

OH, I get it, since the board would be owned by the state, it would be subject to the first ammendment and then it wouldn't be able to censor anyone by views… right?

Oh wait, I forgot leftypol hated the first ammendment.

Its aids.
Dont touch it.
Dont dig up corpses.

GG was in constant violation of 4chan's no dox and no raid rules.
And they where chanology level cringe.

I agree with your narrative for the most part, but I'm not sure if it was actually the anons who started the harassment. Certainly anons are fully capable of doing so, but identitarian liberals are also fully capable of doing the same to people they don't like (and the "misogyny" framing came extremely early, when the people supporting Gamergate still thought they could get the media on their side, before most of the fighting had even moved to Twitter and long before the mainstream media picked up on it)

Hello, newfag.

We sure do!

Anita Sarkeesian had already been getting harassed for about a year, and she got dragged back into it lol.

The Gamergaters were harder to harass because they had less figureheads, other than people like Milo and Christina Hoff Sommers who were just riding the wave.


Oh I forgot to mention there was some controversy over a program to get women into games called "The Fine Young Capitalists", or something, that Zoey Quinn fucked over for some stupid idpol reason. And because of their name she was making jokes about communism and shit (cos she's a red liberal), so obviously this played into the political element of it.

You can see how the whole "cultural marxism" thing started to come back into fashion

Also I think SJWs are way harsher and harassier to dissident-minded leftist than they are to outright rightists

molleindustria.org/blog/gaming-under-socialism/
also
freedom of the press isn't the freedom to organize ethnic genocide.

The only thing I disagree with is
The whole thing that actually pushed GG into being co-opted was the fact that the feminist groups making the critiques refused to acknowledge people engaging them and generally just insulted them. That was what kicked off harassment campaigns that turned it bad.

Many of the anons at that time weren't necessarily anonymous on Twitter and were using previously held Twitter accounts, though. "NotYourShield" (which relied upon one's personal identity) came fairly soon after the fight had started to move to Twitter to battle the accusation that Gamergate was only about hatred of women (as, again, supporters still thought they could get some of the gaming media on their side).

The Sarkeesian issue is distinct, and there were conscious efforts made (at the beginning) to encourage people to be civil and not to do anything that could be construed as harassment on Twitter. That plan, obviously, didn't last long for many reasons.

They may be, but the start of Gamergate was much more politically mixed compared to how it later became. The different tendencies in Gamergate didn't become clear until somewhat later, I would say around the time of its move to Holla Forums.

You'd be surprised, you can find it all over Twitter still.

That's what I heard anyways. No doubt it gave birth to the alt-right and YouTube reactionaries like Computing Forever or TL;DR. Gamergazi's a defining point in Millennial political history.

PURE SPECTACLE

1. 100000 ways to make games
2. 100000 ways to sell games
3. Video game distribution on the Internet is the freest market ever known.
4. Femodoxy arrive and whine that they're being "persecuted" and try to establish a priesthood-cartel that charges protection money in exchange for their blessing.
5. People say "what the fuck could you even be talking about?"
6. WOMEN DEVELOPERS AND PLAYERS ARE BEING DRAGGED BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS FROM THEIR HOMES AND BRUTALLY RAPED IN THE STREETS IN ONE OF THE DARKEST DAYS IN WORLD HISTORY AS CELLS OF THE NEFARIOUS WORLDWIDE INTERNET GANG G.A.M.E.R.G.A.T.E HAVE ACTIVATED. THE UNITED NATIONS PEACEKEEPERS MUST BE DEPLOYED TO STOP THE CARNAGE AND CENSOR THE INTERNET BEFORE MORE INNOCENT LIVES ARE LOST.

New century, same shit. Eject all priests. Eject all politicians. Abolish all hierarchies.

I was in gamergate early on when I was a Holla Forumstard I jumped into that bandwagon.

It's a reactionary shit with a decent core ideal that got all corrupted to shit by Holla Forums. Now it's about being a literal MRA.
aka who cares.

It is, arguably, one reason Holla Forums became the neural center for much of the image board population. People used to call Holla Forumslacks "uncle Holla Forums" like a crazy uncle who is always awkward at family gatherings but tolerated because >muh blood relative
After GG it seemed everyone had to pick between being an idpol conservative or an idpol liberal.

Holla Forums killed GG. I saw this back in early September 2014, where you had people in the burgersandfries IRC wanting to steer GG into a political cultural war instead of a consumer one.

LW cried about harassment that people were talking about her abusive behavior (this went so much deeper than just serial cheating) and the BELIEVE WOMEN crowd went and believed her.

I made a thread, let's see if it gets replies
boards.4chan.org/v/thread/387964746

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why?

It was always about male idpol from the very beginning. Any attempts to try and steer the "movement" away from being about harassing liberal women journalists or developers who were somehow "ruining" vidya by doing what their bosses were telling them to do was met with extreme resistance. Also why did it take some slut fucking multiple dudes to make them care about corporate influence in video games? What about Gerstmann?

Not very Christian of u user

They did already care. Honestly a lot of it was building off of frustrations with the media response to the ME3 reception.

Nobody thought that. Read the dossier. We (one of the authors here) made this early on specifically to remind people how long this bullshit has been going on.

There was no review. There was positive press. Not entirely the same thing but still a problem. Everyone knew this early on; you have been manipulated by a clever distortion used to discredit the movement.

I can only speak for myself, but after years of seeing my fellow vidya fans eat mountains of anti-consumer bullshit and always come back for more, I was hopeful that we finally had a strong enough reaction that could be molded into a powerful consumer rights movement to make some real ground against DRM, day-one DLC, payola, etc., and I was determined to help make it successful.

Gamergate happened when a bunch of dipshit millennial gamers suddenly realized that all video game news is really a bunch of corporate-controlled advertisements. Gamers, being the worst new identity since furries, lost their shit and started screaming about how the video game companies who publish video game "news" are pandering to other demographics. Of course, then pink-haired SJW hambeasts started screaming about how the gaymers were a bunch of deeply triggering WHITE MALES who can't handle stronk wymenz in vidya. From there it got even stupider.

A couple solid takes:
encyclopediadramatica.rs/GamerGate
knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/gamergate


This, it's the unofficially official statement we drafted at the height of the movement, which of course nobody in the press read whenever they did one of their hack job stories, instead copypasting the ludicrously biased Wikipedia article.

Gjoni only listed some names, he didn't insinuate anything. And again, nobody said shit about reviews, it was positive press. The claim that there was sex for good reviews, rather than press coverage, is a distortion, a straw man, by the media to discredit the movement.

No they didn't. It was a handful of people who could have been playing both sides for all we know. There have been multiple studies now that clearly demonstrated that harassment was a insignificant fraction of all the people. All of the people involved in GG who dared to take on an identity denounced them, and there was even a GG group for a time called the GG Harassment Patrol (think that was the name?) that actively tried to expose these trolls.

Basically it was the perfect chance for the left to find a captive audience while showing them how capitalist financing was shitting vidya up more than SJWs were. But SJWs closed ranks around their amoral buttbuddies, and the left stopped criticizing them long enough to believe every single fucking lie they said about GG and poopooed GG too as a result. So inevitably the right flocked to GG, the aut-right was born, SJWs are temporarily weakened but will be stronger than ever after Trump leaves, and the left continues to be culturally irrelevant. A halfway coherent leftwing culture could have sprung up instead of the aut-right, but instead here we are. Now my only solace is to weakly repeat, as I often do on a variety of topics, "I fucking told you so".


Stop parroting SJW nonsense, faget.

This shouldn't have to end like this. Holla Forums maybe could have been a giant leftist board in another timeline

She fucked dragged herself into it. She is a charlatan and a literal con artist who had nothing to do with GG who actively and successfully pushed into the controversy to enhance her reputation.


There was plenty of outcry about Gerstmann and many other scandals. The key difference is ''their discussion wasn't censored to high hell across video game forums (which we later found out was coordinated to a degree via a "journalist" mailing list), and the reaction of the media to those scandals wasn't to condemn the critics in a coordinated "gamers are dead" campaign.

Oh, I may be somewhat bitter, but regardless, GG was right about everything.

Glad to see many of my fellow gimblegobblers are still around and found their way to this board. I have a question for some of you who were there from the beginning, now that some of you have a deeper understanding for exactly why the video game press industry and the industry itself is a bucket of shit:

Knowing what you know now, what would you have done differently to steer the movement in a more productive direction?

Gamergate is the reason why imageboards and the internet in general are all fucked up, everything turned to be extremely politically polarizing just because this shit happened. And I'm not exaggerating.
People that were crypto-facist just saw gamergate as they opportunity to embrance they shitty beliefes.
The le skeptical community just grow up because they were the anti-feminist and used the gamergate as their chance to be the guy that says "I told you, you should have listened to me"

It was poison from the very beginning.

This board exists because of gamergate. Clearly it wasn't all bad.

Silly putty exists because of WWII.

I would prefer not having Holla Forums in exchange to Holla Forums's eternal non-relevance.
(I'm gonna get a lot of shit for writing this, sorry comrades)

I already was a gommie way before GG. I tried driving discussion leftwards but there were too few of us.

Regardless, I'll stick around carrying the name on if only to spite SJWs. The way things are going, it's a matter of time before all the male allies are all doing time for sex offenses.

I'm calling bullshit on this.

The talk on feminism was at most a side issue with the biggest thing being the corruption of video game publishers. The only reason it got dragged into a sexism war was because the feminist "critics" decided to shove their noses in when people said they didn't like the pandering.

Completely agree

if Holla Forums didn't shit up so many home boards there'd be no need for a Holla Forums imo

This, a thousand times. Five Guys would've been brushed under the rug in a week and forgotten, like the (genuinely unfounded) Brad Wardell rape scandal that happened one news cycle before. But no, the SJWs were too arrogant and proud, they couldn't stand one false-flagging cunt from their little clique getting thrown under the bus, so they pulled off the biggest wave of censorship of discussion fora and slander against netizens ever attempted on the internet since Scientology, and got the biggest pushback since Chanology in response.


At the time, I thought a focus on crowdfunding IRL private investigators, lawyers, and precedent-setting lawsuits was what was needed, something like the ACLU, EFF, or FAIR (appropriate, since all three were subverted by SJWs in the leadup to GG). Purge as much corruption as possible from gaming (press, devs, industry orgs), maybe spread from there to comics/tabletop/tech/etc., form a permanent consumer union/watchdog group and all that. I still think this needs to happen.

some dumb twat made a game and cheated on her boyfriend
that she cheated is of no interest
that she cheated with a number of people who work as video game journalists who would go on to provide her with good press is of great interest

Gamergate is a consumer reaction born of the rage at sweetheart deals for good press and a demand for integrity in journalism

Ugh, reading through this again now. I had a major hand in editing it and I'm still so embarrassed at the autistic writing quality I ended up greenlighting. Some pushy asshole (who did almost fucking nothing in the document itself) made unreasonable demands on due dates and stressed us all out while working on it for a whole week until finally I had to actually proofread the entire document the morning before publishing after a whole day without sleep. I bragged about being a good writer and I'm glad my name isn't on this.

Slightly easier to navigate version here by the way:

thisisvideogames.com/gamergatewiki/A Review Of Game Journalism _ GamerGate Wiki.html

literally nothing wrong with that.

I wouldn't. I'm still thrilled as fuck that a comparatively active alternative to 4chan exists, even if that cocksucker owner of 8/v/ has done everything he can to ruin the biggest single allure to the site. I've been posting on alternatives to 4chan for a long time, always desperately hoping that one would take off in a bigger way than 7chan.

Luckily, Holla Forums is becoming its own lure, if we could just combat the Holla Forumstard's utterly toxic influence on other general boards like Holla Forums.

This is the legacy of gamergate. Great job guys. No seriously you have done a fantastic job of discrediting idpol by making it a tool of white supremacy, which has caused a huge shift in opinion among the western left regarding idpol.

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

I think it's more a case of corrupt motherfuckers finding an easy, palatable narrative to cover their own asses than necessarily them being genuine SJWs (though there were some).

It really is impressive how much they held onto cult-like behavior. They defended each other against any and all accusations so long as central dogma wasn't broken.

Yeah except Holla Forums made most of those people famous and jumpstarted quite a few of their careers. Idpol only creates more idpol.

The 8/pol/ Holla Forums split is unquestionably the worst thing to come out of Holla Forums. Having somewhere like Holla Forums exist is nice, especially since SJWs have achieved a total lock on every other leftist forum (DKos, Alternet, DUnderground, every leftist subreddit, etc.), but 8/pol/ turning from a political battleground into a Stormfront torture chamber really sucks.

I really hope Holla Forums gets big enough to purge the stormniggers from modship, and restore balance to the force.

While I think your argument is retarded, since literally everyone of any internets-notability gets hatemail and "death" "threats" they can wave in front of normalfags for sympathy, there is strong evidence that all three of the LWs false-flagged on 4chan.

Oh yeah, here's some very fresh gossip.

That's imkampfy's faggotry tho, nothing that could be done I'm afraid.

I remember when Anita divulged the amount of "negative tweets" she receives in a week to show what a poor damsel in distress she is. It was something like 0.1% of total tweets received. She gets less abuse than I do.

OH God that is gonna be beautiful!

I always thought this is what we should be doing, but I also always need to remind people that Kyle Orland, a major fallen journalist, was involved in Video Game Media Watch and did exactly that sort of thing before it fell apart and he became an Arstechnica editor. Why did it fail? How do we make sure the people involved in an ombudsman remain faithful?

Yeah, the "leader issue", that was a tough nut to crack.

Consensus tended to float around loosely connected strings of single crowdfunded efforts, but I (being libsyn) usually pushed for a democratic org funded with dues from members, like classic 19th-century activism. If members dictated policy, maybe it would take longer to be corrupted.

Probably the best approach, in hindsight, would be some kind of pseudonymous blockchain system for both funding and votes.

If someone on the skeptical community or some Holla Forums Idol gets some real shit exposed we can have your own gamergate that can make Holla Forums grow af.
I thought that the charlottesville incident would do that, but seems like everyone forget it about it idpol reigns again.

…Having followed shit since early in the Five Guys phase, I can tell you that Zoe Quinn and her clique were having twitter meltdowns in the lead-up to all the articles. She was tweeting shit like "CONSPIRACY" over and over with no context like she expected people to wonder what it all means. And then there was the pathetic shit where she and her friends pretended they were hacking 4chan or invading the IRC or whatever the fuck that was supposed to be. Definitely a little of columns A and B.

Video games aren't even that fun.

Hahaha I know right. I used to cheer on gamergate in 2014, yet a couple of years later I just stopped playing games altogether. Not even joking. Last time I logged into steam, there was an invite for an unironic Trump steamgroup waiting for me, and I suddenly realized most of my steam "friends" had gone from 4chan anime nerds to fucking Holla Forums posters who freak out about anything that sounds left-wing.

I'm also pretty sure, by now, that steve bannon had been planning to convert miserable white nerds to the far right for quite some time. However, it was the liberal journalists who accidentally created the conditions for gamergate to spring to life and later fall into the hands of breitbart.

Allow me to explain. When reddit started talking about this zoey quin drama, she apparently started talking to mods and convinced them that any user mentioning her name is trying to doxx her and must be banned. This just made a bunch of reddit users incredibly mad. These modding incidents resulted in a "streisand effect" around communities, meaning people just got more interested in the drama and so wanted to talk about it. A bunch of 4chan users obviously had the freedom to talk about it which made them really smug and happy.

I don't know how much of it started on /r9k/, but I remember the early Holla Forums threads. A group of Holla Forumsirgins were pounding their chests, proud of being able to say whatever they wanted about Zoey without getting banned, and they hoped for these corruption scandals to somehow crash the game industry. The rest of Holla Forums told them to stop being gossipy drama queens and to fucking stop inviting (banned) redditors and (banned) neogaf users.

Now, what really fucked everything up was when video game journalism sites decided to get involved.

The concerted effort of these journos to do something noble, and to turn into esteemed cultural critics overnight, was so fucking clumsy and arrogant that it only poured oil on a number of conspiracy theories blazing across the internet. The oil arrived at just the right time, because for the preceding five years or so (ever since OWS) everyone on 4chan had been whining about overzealous left-wing call-out culture, which they of course simply refer to as "SJW" or "tumblr."

What the journalists should have done:
1. condemn 4chan trolls
2. post articles randomly, condemning 4chan
3. point out fucking 4chan

What they did:
1. "omg gamers are the worst I'm going to attack my own target audience in general instead of a specific community."
2. fifteen (!) articles from competing outlets are posted on the same day. I think it was 18th of august. These journalists had been simmering about it on some mailing list and had started browbeating each other into supporting Zoey Quinn, but they didn't stop to think that it would look a little weird to write histrionic anti-gamer articles and post them all ON THE SAME DAY.

Some dude on twitter then came up with GamerGate as a movement.

One happy memory that remains is the anti-advertising mailing campaign, which supposedly cost Gawker millions of dollars.
Advertisers really did pull out. But I never sent any mails, and I'm pretty sure most gatergamers just sat around screaming on twitter and chans like a bunch of retards.

Of course, the Holla Forumsirgins posting about gamergate now wanted to look "legit" and they didn't want to look like /r9k/ robot freaks, but there was no way to stop anyone from waltzing into the general thread and just shout "hey guize we should rape Zoey! XDDD". So they decided to self-censor with jokes. "Nice try, Zoey!" and "Nobody wants to fuck you, Zoey." And then "Literally who?" But one thing led to another, and the posters started seeing infiltrators everywhere. Eventually everyone was screaming about spies and shills like a bunch of tinhatters. Fertile ground for Holla Forums to step in and spread their conspiracy theories.

And so it came to pass that gamergaters started to believe in the cultural marxism meme, and they immediately made a faustian pact with breitbart when Milo showed up.

Moot got sick of it and eventually banned gamergate from 4chan altogether, sending them all to Holla Forums where it was even easier for Holla Forums to "redpill" the whole lot of them. On Holla Forums, everyone turned fucking feral.

Milo apparently picked up the pieces and eventually converted them to MAGA shit. I uninstalled steam forever. The end.

iirc Animal Mother himself coined the term

4chan were just the brown-shirts. Sexism in gayming was perfectly acceptable and common before gamergate was a thing and probably before most of the kids caring about it were even born. All the shit did was put it in a spotlight.

They're supposed to do some basic research and say where the trolls are coming from, not start ranting out of the blue.

If they would have simply wagged their finger at /r9k/ as the source, then it would all have been over in an instant. Just like that. No backlash. Nobody would have stood up for /r9k/.

Instead the journalists started howling about gamer culture in general, which just left everyone outside of their clique dumbfounded. It allowed early gamergaters to recruit from multiple communities and grow massive in a very short time.

Rightfully so, it's pretty cancerous. The gamers who aren't cancerous never had any reason even to begin to care about the reporting nor the topic itself. The fact that so many idiots got recruited isn't the fault of journalist but simply a representation of the community.

We get it, you've never played a video game in your life.

It was still a clusterfuck of staggering proportions that I wish had never happened. Accusations from both sides ranged from doxxing to hacking to death threats to character assassination to career termination and even to bomb threats at conventions. It was the ugliest thing I had ever seen.

I can only hope that Holla Forums will make up for it and teach people something useful.

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Oh, fuck off. I spent almost every day from 5 to 14 playing vidya and getting NES, SNES, Saturn or PS One was a pain in East Europe. The biggest retardation with the community probably happened when online stuff became mainstream, CS and BF were already hinting it but after WoW and then console MP becoming super common, it was infested by gamegate type of idiots before gamegate.

Though hey, at least you can blame idpol for it too, since gaymers love to identify themselves as such and get aggressive when you question it.

It wouldn't be documented on Wikipedia regardless, because the admins and their clique control the discourse and most are liberal sycophants.

So is 4chan, but that's a sane target of criticism for a video game journalist whereas the set of all gamers is not.

You can't treat journalism like call-out culture and tell all your friends to just write big rants to be posted all at the same time, and then decide the target is not even a person or community but your own entire target audience.

It looked fucking insane. Everyone watching just started to believe in some kind of cover up going on, one where they don't even directly mention their enemy for supposed fear of this enemy telling everyone the truth.

This little stunt gave Holla Forums the opportunity they needed to introduce the cultural marxism conspiracy theory to video game nerds, increase their hold on 4chan and later for everyone to get swept up by breitbart.

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what is the source on that I love it

Mega64

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have another

The target were the people who fit to the criteria, there were just a lot more of them than anyone expected. As someone who liked vidya, it never felt that the shit had any relevance to me nor my friends who like vidya.

It's the same when someone complains about rape culture and then some faggot has to come with #NOTALLMEN, and then bitch about the entire movement, proving that he's the person who's part of the problem, while men who are indeed not the target of the message, realize it right away.

True but at the same time, the people who were ready to eat up the narrative, were always potential recruits, so it'd just happen at a different pace.

and some more just cause

Man, the first one should go on just a bit longer to capture the "EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: DICK WOLF"

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Oh wow, I can't believe I never made that connection.

checked and also Communism failed and you will be put up against the wall by your own people and also hi

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Whenever LaO happens to come into my mind I end up going to check out the latest economic update.

True to an extent, but you're forgetting the "test shot" for the SJW meatgrinder that caused GG, and the opposition that formed around it: Atheism+

I wasn't big on New Atheism at the time, but I was deep into skepticism and popular science, especially regarding "alternative" medicine. I mostly hung around on Rational Wiki, but the "center of gravity" for most of them was Youtube, which is of course where the nucleus for GG's (and later the alt-right's) heavy Youtube presence originated. When A+ happened (since it was mostly a tight-knit IRL con scene) the eruption of rage was absolutely nuclear, and the slightly earlier antics of Anita Sarkeesian which a few big-name atheists had snarled at before (because of their history with the 1990s "Ominous Alliance") put postmodernist critical theory types and Tumblrinas firmly in their crosshairs.

While the anti-A+ phenomenon was limited by the tiny size of the New Atheist community as a whole, the fact that it was composed of 99% highly intelligent anti-rightist political activists lent it impeccable protection against the typical slander of all anti-SJWs being "right wing ideologues", something GG struggled with even when it was overwhelmingly center-left. If an internecine uprising against SJWs had happened inside a large leftist phenomenon like Occupy, I'm certain we could've purged them unopposed.


GG is almost precisely the worst possible subject for a Wikipedia article, even if only because of Wikipedia's inherent structure:
I'm not really sure how Wikipedia's formal process could be reformed to deal with a situation where every single mainstream authority on a subject is literally part of the same giant (incredibly lame) conspiracy.

I basically stopped playing modern games because of the ever increasing bullshit the game industry puts out.
Bullshit that neither Holla Forums nor the husk of the gamergate thread even care about.
Fuck, before ME3 and the anita KS at least Holla Forums used to get angry at shitty practices, nowadays they only get angry at idpol shit.

This reminds me.
Zoe was in part of another shitstorm some months before GG started, only the "bad guys" "harrasing" her was Wizardchan.
Of course no one defended wizchan and it died in one week or two.

Additional note: Later, during GG, the Wizardchan posts (barely a handful) were reappraised and found to quite possibly be a false flag. Of course, nobody thought to do any of this legwork on a story that circulated through basically every almost every mainstream gaming outlet, plus most tech outlets, and a substantial number of normalfag outlets.

Editors have demonstrated before that enough material exists from Trusted(tm) sources to make a genuinely neutral article. The problem is corrupt admins who have banned everyone who pushes too hard for a neutral article while giving clear SJW accounts who are only there to fight a war free reign to propagandize the article to their heart's content.

*on Wikipedia

Wikipedia's problem has become much more systemic than just a matter of what constitutes truth. It's a matter of insufficient rules and mechanics in place to promote a responsible and principled administrative structure. Some of the most flagrantly corrupt arbitration committee decisions I have ever seen have come in the years following gamergate.

holy FUCK is that what passes down as entertainment in the US?

AFAIK not even Americans could take it seriously.

But, broadly, yes.

I think even anti-A+ would have been shot down.
Look at how "left" Reddit/Twitter treats atheist/nerd shit. It's treated like it's inherently reactionary. I'm sure there's some idpol based explanation like it being disrespectful to oppressed religions or whatever, that's not really that important though. They could do the same thing for OWS easily. Link union action to the traditional masculine image of industrial workers and say that everyone involved in OWS only cares about men and thinks we should return to the 1960s.

I need a physical way to let out all the cringe I'm feeling.

In related news, Polygon went full porky and defended crunch time. Even their Weird Twitter buttbuddies are mad.

archive.fo/HMvuc


Ripped straight from the headlines, user. Headlines written by gaming journos, who were shocked, shocked at how sensationalist the story was.

eater.com/2017/8/23/16192508/kfc-virtual-reality-training-oculus-rift

Hory shet! Bibyo gams are srs business! Fucking patrearchy raping women gamrs.

>direct linking UBM payolaIndie Game: The Movie
Nauseating social circle of the author aside, it's a pretty good overview for normalfags, even if it is boilerplate anyone familiar with socialism could rattle off if asked about gaming or other mass media.

also
Concrete ancillary acts committed in connection with expressions can be legally defined and sanctioned in a consistently enforceable way, the expressions themselves cannot, because such interpretation is wholly subjective. There is no possible instance in which censoring mere free expression is justifiable.

I will tell you why i supported GG. I don't care about the politics. What i saw with my 2 eyes was a effort to make all future games be made to SJW wishes. No matter the origin, They just wanted a black guy, a trans, a demifuck just put in with 0 effort. Just baseless tokenism by a different name. Take GTA:SA you went arround as black thug with nigga culture, no white males in sight. Every fucker loved it. Why? Because it was naturaly made. Not just heres a random black guy doing black guy things.

Then you had the faggots who went all
I am glad they did not get their own fucking way. If i want to look at tits in my games i will look at tits in my game. It is not up to a fucking cunt with a twitter account to decide what 1s and 0s i fap to.
I am not here to start a fight, i just want you all to know what i saw, i saw an effort to take my freedom away. I was not breaking any laws or harming a single living person. Yet these utter cunts can put me in the box with rapists and you wonder why most of the common gamers hated you. To be honest i am still mostly left wing, i support gay rights, weed, etc but you must see how easy it was for gamers to just say "well if i am not welcome on that team i will join the other one" And now with Trump you paid the price of it Holla Forums got to them first.

Next you are going to tell me black characters in Star Wars is literal hwhite geocide.

Point to were i said that faggot. Only used GTA as an example. Point still stands, and you still lost the election because of it.

Games being neutered in terms of content would be terrible, but there's already a lot of bad things happening in that sense due to forces stemming from rampant capitalism (pay2win, mobileshit, socialshit, casualization, industry consolidation, engine-ization, etc.).

What I was actually more scared of from GG wasn't that the medium would be made worse, but the threat that gaming could be completely destroyed. This isn't without precedent, the obvious example being comic books, which as a direct result of the very SJW-like CCA in the 1950s, has caused comic readership rates in the USA to be a tiny fraction of its counterparts in Asia, Europe, or South/Central America.

I can see that you are offended by my use of blacks. I will change the example to a more recent one that contributed to the games utter failure.
The trans person in ME:A, you know the one that blurts out that she is trans 2 seconds after you meet them, in awkward cringy dialog. That is what i am talking about. A character pushed in to fill a quota that might as well have "i am the token trans" on a her shirt for the amount of depth is as shallow as an old mans piss.

If you're posting here for the first time, you should understand Holla Forums are commies/socialists and not SJWs/Libshits.

True and i oppose them just as much and still do.

Well at least Marvel have learned that SJW comics don't sell and SJWs don't buy them.

Sorry about that, on another note i may put up another thread as i have a few questions about communism that some larping Marx twitter faggot was going on about. And i wanted to know the truth without his mates mass reporting me to twitter for having the "balls" to challenge him.

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Sadly, capeshit completely petered out saleswise in the 1970s, and every other genre was killed off by the CCA in the 1950s, so the remaining capeshit pretty much exists as (continuously "rebooted") tie-in merch for movies. When the superhero movie craze dies down, American comics are going to die.


Imagine a Shillary presidency where GG never happened. Look at what was instituted in Australia, South Korea, or Greece. It could happen here, the entire industry could've been ravaged by mandatory censorship over a couple years of mass hysteria, reduced to a pitiful withering shell doomed to death in a couple decades.

It is true we lost a few studios to idiotic censorship, but in war there is always damage as they say.
EA fucking nuked Bioware after the stinker that was ME:A. EA only cares about money, it may use an image of social justice to make money but they have just worked out that it does not sell shit anymore. Twitter faggots don't buy video games. They are to busy #resist to sit down and play.

Holy shit the reddit invasion is real

Holla Forums false flager ignore and continue talking gentlemen.

The one that hurt the most, for me, was Obsidian. After surviving the hops between something like four studio closures over more than a decade, and catching the lucky break of a lifetime in a financial model that they could survive under (Kickstarter) emerging, the thing that finally killed the bonds of artistic fellowship and personal camaraderie was Twitter slacktivist outrage mongers making Sawyer's faggotry too unbearable for Avellone and the others to put up with.

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Not sure how genuinely sincere this thought was, but I will remind people that Hillary Clinton actually introduced a bill attempting to censor video games during her time as Senator. She also ended up mentioning gamergate by name negatively at one point during her campaign.

GTA is a shitty example because it's a great game, most aren't and the characters there could be replaced with underage anime girls without having any effect on the non existent story.


It's already the case for most media sans books. Look how sex is treated worse than violence and goes much further than politics. Take GTA:SA again, a game which allows you to murder people in tons of different ways and encourages you to do that in story missions, it was perfectly fine and accepted. Add some sex minigames and the moralists went crazy.

Wait Bioware is dead? When did I miss this? Praise Marx, sometimes good things happen to vidya after all!

This might not be a universally accurate stance, but IMHO that's not really due to censorship so much as dishonesty and unprincipled greed. The ESRB's AO rating has existed for decades, yet a grand total of zero USA console releases have used it intentionally.

The common excuse is the influence of the console monopoly or retailers, but I think we all know that if the latest installment of GTA or whatever major series went AO, it would still get on every platform it wanted to and sell giant numbers. The thing is that they really do care more about squeaking under a lower rating so that clueless parents will buy it, than they do about pushing as far as they'd like to. More capitalism than censorship to blame for this.

Although I'd throw in one more wrinkle, which is that unlike a book or movie, games are software, so by flipping a switch, the same release can censor itself with kiddy modes or whatever, as commonly used in Japanese VNs.

Also:
The Miami Vice-ripoff installment was legit awesome

Yeah it's pretty standard. Cop shows are a dime a dozen and exactly this formulaic. Most don't pick such a stupid topic, but they get close sometimes.

I forgot that existed, almost like eldritch knowledge my life was better before i remembered fucking svu made a GG episode
my god

At what point were we ever with her you spurdo
Fedora is doing a better case at convincing me GG wasnt a massive sperg out but you arent helping him.

I'm a simple man—I see a weeb/gamer thread, I hide.

Bump.

I gave up playing/buying modern vidya, it's hard to enjoy something when your self aware that it's pozzed as fuck.

This is mostly accurate, but this part is incorrect, the Holla Forumsification of Holla Forums came at a greatly later date, and the deletion of gamergate threads happened much before the paranoia about infiltration started. I think Holla Forums's gg boards tried to remove stormfags, leading to ggrevolt being formed, but I am not sure because by then I was just laughing at how autistic everything had become.

Holla Forums did not become a Holla Forums playground until much later in its existence, when Reddit started to close down racist boards like /r/coontown and stormfag discussions. Until they came, Holla Forums could not even scratch Holla Forums or any other larger board. The story goes that they initially fled to Ironmarch and Stormfront, but they were considered drastically too newfaggy and directed to Voat, which was down. Stormfront had a plan to take over Voat boards and turn it into an ideological torture chamber, you see. Voat was constantly DDoS'd and sabotaged (so was Holla Forums, hell, even Imgur got involved at one point), so they were directed to Holla Forums from there. Hotwheels eventually began a policy of welcoming them with open arms, which he grew to regret. Pics related. People really underestimate how much effort went into subverting or ruining Holla Forums and other sites.

hey, what ever happened to Plebcomics?

oh

oh wow they are shit

were they always shit?

Hillary Clinton played videogames.

Trump never played a videogame in his life.

Playing videogames makes you a loser.

In all the idpol activism I've been involved in irl, I have honestly never met any man who voluntarily identified as a feminist without being prompted who wasn't a sex pest or other slimeball. These guys have the reputation they do for a good reason. Man though, if this shit actually happens, right-wing MRAs (the unfortunate majority) will be vacuuming young Online™ fellas up like crazy unless there is some concerted left-wing alternative presented.

I don't get that comic. How is that homophobic or anti-semitic? Zionism needs to be crushed.

exactly, the comic went full retard with the whole anti-Israel / Zionism = antisemitism thing

Even Frederick can't get this shit right. It's not a question of how much, it's a question of what kind of moderation. 8/v/ become an intolerable shithole only ~9 months after migration due to being owned by an incompetent newfaggot who wanted to make it his own personal Holla Forums playground just like Moot did to 4/v/. In the process it lost over half of its original user base. Moderation is necessarily to maintain the integrity of a topical forum. The real problem is vague rules like "no trolling" that are only ever enforced when a mod sees something they don't like.

If you truly want to play to the strengths of anonymous discussion, the ideal moderation to strive for merely directing people to another board when they wish to discuss something that has nothing to do with the board.

Man, the failure of Voat was the worst chapter in this whole nu-internet thing. Reddit originated as a replacement for Digg, which originated as a containment site for people too gay for Slashdot. When Digg started selling out, their users shifted over to Reddit, then when Reddit did the same thing, Voat was supposed to fill the void, but instead it turned out Voat was too technologically incompetent to make something capable of handling even a fraction of Reddit's traffic.

Say what you will about Holla Forums during that period, abortive ∞Next efforts included, but at least the site remained at least barely capable of sustaining heavy user load.

That was one among many issues of overmoderation on GGHQ's part, others were game boycotts (and a Deep Freeze-style site to catalog corrupt devs/games), "doxxing", and tranny pronouns. The long and short of it is that AcidFag and Mark's Holla Forums cabal managed to do what something like 6 prior BO spergouts and board transitions failed at: Kill dedicated GG discussion on Holla Forums and shift it wholly to KiA/Twatter.


The only moderation I've ever seen not cause harm is "no spam, no hax", anything else, ABSOLUTELY anything else, soon results in a terminal spiral of faggotry. I'm with Hotwheels on this, hotpockets kill fora, period.

The biggest failure of voat is not the traffic thing, it was never down for any overly excessive length of time.

No, the biggest failure of voat is that the frontpage of Holla Forumsall became reddit:stormfront edition in fairly short order. Say anything even remotely critical of trump and watch yourself get dogpiled by nazi LARPers in a matter of minutes.

That's not necessarily voat (Atko or PuttItOut)'s fault, but rather the fault of the lazy spineless moderates and liberals on reddit who would rather turn a blind eye to reddit's BS and corruption than to delete their precious high-karma accounts and make a commitment to support and participate in voat so that moderate and leftist viewpoints would have at least SOME representation over there.

There's also been an issue with spammers and self-promoters for quite some time now due to the low userbase and lack of participation, that they are still trying to nip in the bud.

As an aside but still gamergate, I was pretty let down to watch Milo go from being one of the only semi-professionals willing to do actual real journalism on the topic of gamergate, to behaving like a fucking child on Bill Maher and in a matter of minutes completely eradicate any shred of credibility or relevance he once had. I once thought he could be gamergate's best chance at getting a fair shake in the mainstream media, so thanks for that Milo, for being such a faggot that you flipped back around and now you're straight. You don't deserve to get to play the faggot card anymore.

I don't just mean going totally offline, I mean the way (even now, but especially then) the site would grind its gears and refuse to work whenever asked to load a page, a comment chain, or submit a post. I don't know whether it was excessive use of JS, bad coding, poorly configured servers, or just not enough hardware, but the Voat pretty much never worked.

I've heard that excuse before, but if true, how did the transition from Digg happen? Was the attentionwhore mindset just not as severe back then?

Milo was done dirty, IMHO. He said absolutely nothing others like Dawkins haven't, although perhaps applying his trademark confrontational, no-holds-barred snark to such a sensitive statement was unwise.

Prior attempts to knock Milo off his throne surpassed the the hysterical, the fact that violent riots occurred (supposedly) over something as anodyne as the content of Milo's talks on campuses attests to how badly people wanted him shut down.

I'd really like it if Holla Forums had somebody with Milo or IA's quick wit for ruthless bantz, all of our streamers seem kind of uncharismatic.

2 things I think, it has been a looooong time since I had a digg account but from what I recall there wasn't 'karma' points for comments, just for submissions. Also when the big big digg exodus happened (I was already long gone at that point) the corruption was blatant and easy to understand even for casual visitors to the site, whereas reddit benefited from being able to see the outcome of digg's hamfisted amateur hour corruption and learn from those mistakes, keeping their own corruption much closer to the chest, lurking just underneath the surface and also hiding beneath the guise of social justice and political correctness. To quote ED's take on the digg fiasco:


certainly there were a lot of growing pains (don't have to worry bout that no more) but in my experience the site is much more stable and functional now, for all the good that does since as I mentioned it's a cesspool of trumpanzees now.

He called Malcolm Nance (as well as the other 2 panelists) stupid, to his face. Quick rundown of Nance's resume from PBS:

To this guy, Milo looked him in the face and called him stupid. To paraphrase Bill following the remark, "This guy has done stuff that allowed you to LIVE."

There's bantz, and then there's being a pompous little shit.

some chick sucked a bunch of dicks to get a good score for her shitty video game.
The journalists were called out on it.
The journalists all coordinated with each other to say "gamers are dead neyah", accidentally red pilled a bunch of young people on the corruption of the media.
A few years later hulk hogan drops a bionic elbow on gawker and trump is elected president.

roll credits

youtube.com/watch?v=59smIvEZ8hM

A bunch of uncritical IDPOL fueled children found out that the through of bullshit gaming related media they consumed was, in fact , controlled by the business interests involved. Go figure.

Basically some proto-whore was caught trading sexual favors for good reviews about her IDPOL femibullshit games.Then, her suggardaddies intervened and a whole bunch of media that even the drooliest of retards(but not "gamers") could have seen as corporate-whores, started walking in lockstep and basically declared war on their own audience. Pure porky hubris.

The media claimed every gamer was LITERALLY a rapist to-be, the proto-whore was caught trading some more sex for media favors and eventually graduated to full on social media drama queen with a side of not-cam-whoring (read: camwhoring)

Then GG's threw a hissyfit appropriate for their 14yo mental age. The main problem was that, since most of them are as ideologically neutered as the average fox-news watcher, their toughest measures were to BEGRUDGINGLY keep buying the games and BEGRUDGINGLY keep consuming the media. All while making money for the very industry that belittled them by indulging in bullshit , staged drama.

After the first wave of legitimate controversy blew off, the GG "movement" splintered into many different groups addled with IDPOL , all vying to claim the higher moral ground.Shit flinging ensued, much to the profit of the very same bullshit peddlers that sparked the "controversy" , which now made even more money.The media profited even more by playing the sides against each other, creating strawmen and validating a captive audience of self righteous manchildren, and generally presenting "lolcows" that appealed to either side.

To sum it up: A legitimate controversy turned into a cash-mill by complete media control , retarded manufactured drama and IDPOL.

Taking a look at his Wikipedia article, while his experience is prestigious, his work looks dime-a-dozen brainless establishment garbage. In particular, his recent book on the Russian "hacking" "conspiracy" is as laughable as anything else the mainstream media pukes out. Smart person with a vested interest in saying dumb things, I'd call him stupid to his face, too.

Hey on the topic of video games, we should take advantage of the Half Life 3 situation.

The former writer leaked the story and the implication is the project is completely abandoned. People all over the internet are reacting to it. We should be pointing out the economic reasons behind it. Half Life is a popular series made/owned by an extremely stable company, but they can't/won't make the sequel (and resolve the cliffhanger ending) because it's just not profitable enough.

That was bound to happen by making it a place where banned from reddit people could go. People who weren't banned stayed on reddit mostly. The ones who were went to voat. You do the math. (I was also put off by how many jailbait boards there were, and holy fuck there were a lot).

I kinda' think the opposite (and I've thought of making a thread about this), that it might be a rare example of a problem that could become big in an anarchist economy.

Valve is currently a place where people are free to do what they want, with the best tools they can get, absent any profit motive or threat of being fired. This has supposedly resulted in a sort of primordial goo situation where there are dozens of abortive projects that bubble up from the different people there, mostly pursued solo or by a few flighty collaborators, before they lose interest and move on to another cooler sounding idea. Of course none of these progress very far, or even see the light of day, aside from incremental technical tweaks to internal tools like Source 2.

Most of Valve's shipping products since Steam have been projects invented from outside, ascended into Valve's Olympian divinity and finished with their resources, then dying after maybe a sequel or two, as this new team settles into Valve's immortal ennui.

What is needed, I imagine, is some way of herding enough cats for long enough that they pick a project and finish it.

I don't know that this would be a problem in an anarchist society. We're still talking about one company, which is a small pool of people. And from what I understand about they place they mostly seem to be Idea Guys(TM). There would be no reason for them to come together on a project. Valve has the image of self-directed anarchic capitalism so they seek out self-directed independent people. Those types don't like working together. You need to balance them with people who just like working on stuff they're good at without constantly churning out their own ideas and splitting off. Otherwise you'll never get more than a handful of people on any one team. And AAA games that Valve puts out absolutely require a large team to put together. I don't think it's a problem for anarchy, I think it's a problem for Valve who hire a very specific (I'd say elitist) workforce based on some bizarre faux-libertarian ideology about self direction.

I dunno, I thought all of them were recruited as part of production teams for highly lauded games, it's just most of them haven't actually shipped a game for years.

What I mean is they're "self-directed" types who will come up with ideas of their own and work on those. It's this bizarro version of anarchy where everyone's a "leader" and nobody's a "follower." At best a few people will be "collaborators" but realistically everyone in the scenario wants to be in charge, to see their vision made. But their vision is based on an industry that uses large teams of 90+% followers who don't have a grand vision and are in it to do their part, which is at least as important as the vision that ties it together. Nobody remembers a game that had a great concept but poor execution, but they'll remember a game that was bad overall or conceptually but had some really compelling pieces inside it.

So you've read the book then?

I wasn't banned but I noped the fuck out of there all the same.

Former #NotYourShield member here.

It was all pure Holla Forums idpol propaganda. They wanted the gays and the trans people out of games, all while crying "censorship!" And I bought it, hook, line and sinker - I wanted my vidya to have sex in it, I wanted my vidya to have whatever it could have in it.

But Gamergate didn't want that. If it wasn't hetero, then it was "SJWS SHOVING THEIR AGENDA IN OUR FACES"

I, as a gay person and part of #NotYourShield, which ironically became Gamergate's shield as we were the tokens who they could point to as being cool with their removal of all non-white, non-hetero characters from vidya, was expected to hate games with gay characters, as that was just "forcing an agenda" and not "artistic creativity". When a gay character was actually done out of artistic creativity they never said, and they still don't to this day.

I go to Holla Forums sometimes to try to hold the people in the Gamergate thread accountable, but they just filter me, call me an SJW pretender, say I was never part of the movement, and occasionally meme about how gay people should just die.

Jokes on them, this fag was the one who broke the Ben "Rape is Ok" Kuchera story and spread it like wildfire. I'm also the one who turned Anthony Fantano into an anti-feminist MRA after talking to him in length about what I believed Gamergate was. But, just like Milo Yiannopolous, once the gay token becomes unprofitable to the cause, into the gas chamber he goes. I was nothing more than a useful idiot to a Holla Forums operation, and all because I didn't want to be on the side of "censorship" and "no free speech".

But if it wasn't for GG getting kicked out of 4chan Holla Forums would have never existed, so there's that.

No, but just looking at a synopsis it brushes on every ridiculous strawman they peddle, from RT being a sinister top sekrit psywar mechanism rather than a clearly labeled state outlet like the BBC, to the completely fictional Fancy/Cozy Bear hakkkerz on steroidz.

The guy honestly reminds me of Colin Powell: Smart guy, but the bitch-tier bullshit he seems to peddle is utterly embarrassing.

Oh, and I'll have to reach back to that earlier post for something that especially stuck in my craw:
The CIA/NSA is perhaps the least useful branch of the American government, and the least competent intelligence service in the world. Every significant operation attributable to them has resulted in enough blowback to be a net liability against the USA and its interests, a classic example of tremendous technological and human resources employed in the least effective manner imaginable.

Imagine being upset with the video game industry over female representation and not because of its extremely shitty business practices (day 1 DLC, false advertising, rehashed ideas for decades, egregiously overpriced games despite egregiously underpaid coders, artists, etc. )

Reactionary gamers truly are the biggest cucks of all

I can't fucking believe that mr shitface's sockpuppet joke was so on point.

Some of these are modern (prices, DLCs) others pretty obscure (working conditions). Female representation and sexism are dick in the eye obvious and a much bigger problem than some DLC since that ruins the game completely, while DLC only messes with the price.

Like most of GG I could point to a thousand great examples from Japan, but really, homosexuality aside, has any modern western game really done romance well? The last I can think of was probably Max Payne 2.


It wasn't female representation, it was clumsy virtue-signaling and shoving politics into everything being used as cover for CORRUPTION. Classic example being pic related.

>17 national intelligence agencies are all wrong and I know better than them, or MUH DEEP STATE take your pick
Party before country, why are you even here?

Oh and since we're reaching back
I would pay money to see that. Unfortunately Mr. Nance is in high demand as a commentator and pundit so I doubt he has any time to waste on rando internet tough guy with a big mouth/unpaid Russian shill No.2019437.

Mass Effect sure didn't, I never once got to get boned by Garrus as MaleShep. Romance in general has been mostly absent from western games, I can't find a game in my collection that qualifies aside from The Witcher 3.

HAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT a genuine #ImWithHer specimen!

Please, please, please, before you give President Mike Pence a bipartisan-supported Neo Cold War with Russia, try just once to read ANYTHING critical about the line of flimflam being pushed:
hackernoon.com/the-big-fat-compendium-of-russiagate-debunkery-4278a753a3af

Fucking read:

Jesus Christ what a cocksucker. I wouldn't call this guy stupid, I'd call him a fucking evil tool of the plutocrats.

consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/

I really have a hard time engaging Valve fanatics on the subject of Half-Life 3. Half-Life 2 was a pile of garbage that did to PC FPSs what Halo did to console FPSs, and Valve is personally responsible for lowering the bar of acceptable DRM in consumer consciousness.

HL2 was actually a good game, and introduced or popularized a lot of enjoyable things (physics, cohesive level-less maps, squad AI), even if it was responsible for a lot of bad things (railroading, pseudo-interactive cutscenes).

I wouldn't go so far as to compare it with Halo, which was more like elements (tactical AI, randomization, vehicles, balanced weapons) from the alpha of a good game (that goes for both H1 & H2) clumsily slapped together with pure cancer (auto-aim fake FPS gameplay, regenerating health, 2-weapon limit, microscopic MP pop caps, tiny MP maps).

A better comparison for HL in my opinion would be Doom or Myst, both of which were great games, but both of which were tremendously dumbed down from prior examples of the genres they popularized.

Doom… which tremendously dumbed down from prior examples of the genres they popularized

Are you referring to 2.5D games in general? Sure, Doom is a lot dumber then a first person RPG like Ultima Underworld or Wizardry. However compared to other early FPS's, Doom is far ahead of the curve compared to anything else that was released up to that point.

Yes. Keep in mind that development was fast and "inspiration" was ruthless at the time, so many of the concepts of early FPSs appeared simultaneously among competing developers even if the games that actually invented them didn't ship all at once. For instance Wolf 3D was based off prerelease coverage for UU and shipped before it, while SS started development about a third of the way through Doom's development.

Most retarded post I've read all day.

Friends, why did the God-Emperor's own party, who continue and will continue to carry water for him, and who currently dominate all branches of government so they don't do anything they don't want to, join with the dumbocrats in a rare display of bipartisanship and state in no uncertain terms, with a mere 2 dissidents, that election interference by Russia did in fact happen and warrants an official response?

Are these Republican senators evil as well? Or just retarded enough to let themselves be bamboozled? Please enlighten this foolish libtard.

2016 was supposed to be Bush III vs. Clinton II resulting in World War III, a primarily aesthetic dispute between two slightly different tendencies in the antipopulist neocon/neolib pseudoconsensus. Sanders and Trump alike are an existential threat to the entire system, speaking out against cornerstones of the current order such as military adventurism, perpetual unemployment, and open borders.

A new cold war with Russia under President Mike Pence isn't just more preferable to Republicans that peace under Trump, it is more preferable to Democrats than peace under Sanders.

These sanctions have nothing to do with "election interference", that's just the subterfuge. They are about intentionally stoking hostilities with Russia to justify a military build up to the profit of the military industrial complex. There are fucking Raytheon billboards when you get off the plane in Poland now.

Oh cmon you joystick shaped bundle of sticks.Half Life 2 was a string of stack/throw/deploy the physics objects scenarios.With some occasional shooting.I'd say it had some good worldbuilding or characters, but Valve lost all claims to either by releasing two lackluster episodes and no closure to their story.

HL2 dumped a couple of physics objects right next to the place you had to stack them and looked at you, pleased with itself. Plus it pretty much kickstarted the whole Steam-no-really-its-not-DRM.

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Gamergate is frustrating because in a certain respect, they were right. The liberal controlled gaming media IS corrupt and shitty. But then all the easily duped virgin nerds ran crying into the arms of daddy alt-right thinking that he'd make it better, completely oblivious to the fact that the right wing is even more disgusted by 'degenerate' video games then liberals are and they're doing this 'no censorship' thing entirely for brownie points with absolutely no sincerity whatsoever, as shown by how now they're instead screeching and whining and trying to censor anything that isn't 100% white n' fashie, up to the point of crying about killing nazis in fucking Wolfenstein.

Gamergate made me really re-evaluate 'gamer culture'. I used to suffer their social inadequacies and bizarre value judgments and bullshit console wars and autistic screeching in online games, taking it with the sort of good humor that you put up with some quirks for an otherwise good friend. But after seeing how quickly they all scramble and knock each other over to try and kneel in front of fashie cock first, I really started to despise it all and by this point I think I really hate anybody who labels themselves a "gamer".

Who else was there to turn to? Mainstream "leftists" were controlled oppo, mainstream rightists were (like you noted) as antagonistic as ever but willing to shit back on the shitlibs, ALL far-left entities of any significance (Holla Forums is literally a direct outgrowth of GG) were the evil empire we defended ourselves from. Only the far right was willing and able to back us up with meaningful support.

The one coherent alternative I can imagine would've been to somehow forge an entire political apparatus wholly from politically disaffected nerds, with the specific aim of expunging gratuitous politics from culture. With no political assistance, at all.

That's a mighty tall order.

whoever drew this comic is either clinically retarded or a genius under 9 layers of irony

It was intended as hyperbole at the time, though as the DARPA angle gained traction, some /x/philes (Seattle4Truth was probably the most annoying) started taking themselves far too seriously.

The "I just wanted to play video games" *bulids utopia* thing is a joke. There was some hand-wringing thinkpiece about the GG culture in nerdy/STEM stuff, and it was titled (paraphrasing) "I'm Afraid of GamerGaters Colonizing Mars" and there were a lot of jokes about how GG was going to become a world superpower and save civilization. It was just a joke about how overblown the GG boogeyman was to some people.