Hate AnarKIDDIES with a burning passion

Yes I will fight people fighting to preserve capitalism and the capitalist establishment under the guise of "government doing stuff for me" while wearing a red star.

Its not about "as bad" or "as good" in the sense of some objective criteria, beyond of course, the criteria of every socialist, which are, to elevate the conditions of the worker. If you put the worker in control of his work, and his comrades, they will be in a better position to elevate their conditions and they do, based on actually existing co-operatives. As you have pointed out there are still problems, and I accept those. The thing is, we aren't talking about co-operatives for co-operatives sake, we are talking about co-operatives as a means to an end. A means that you can legally access and enter into while still working in your own self interest and seizing to a degree a portion of the productive forces

Monsanto, with its faults, its I think the 10th largest company in Spain

Also Stalin robbed banks to fund the Bolsheviks. I think co-op opening is a much more community friendly idea. Its seems to be like you people are suggesting we somehow do the latter.

Yes but it's adopted a lot of more centralized policies since its inception to better compete.

i don't really see a problem with centralisation if it is agreed upon. Consensus centralism is the ideal goal we should try to achieve, so long as there are still avenues for the constituent parts to self manage