Lets have some real talk...

Lets have some real talk. What is our plan for an all out civil war between us and fascists or just large scale armed clashes? What never seems to get brought up despite being a massive factor in a theoretical conflict is how well armed the right is. All we seem to have are some of those tiny, shitty John Brown gun clubs which from the footage seem to be a massive joke, the members are overweight, struggle to operate their weapons and in general aren't menacing as they should be.


What we need to realize is that all the aerosol flamethrowers and bike locks in the world can't save us from their overwhelming firepower,we're going to be swiss cheese in any conflict, what the hell are we supposed to do to counter this?

What?

If mods don't delete this thread I have no faith in this board.

Why?

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You are delusional. This won't happen. It's LARPing to imagine it. Our strength is in our numbers. Socialism and the left has mass appeal. People will choose socialism over barbarism.

That being said: more gun clubs, follow model of the black panthers.

lurk more, faggot

The civil war is a meme, nothing is going to happen.

you are fucking delusional

What's that? Intimidate people, get infiltrated, and fall apart?

^^^ Tiny skirmishes between unorganized strangers is not a war

There is no plan. There isn't even a coherent conception of us vs them. The left will lose an armed conflict 100% of the time in this country. Should the Antifa overplay their hand and give the right an excuse to crack down, its game over.

Reformism sadly looks to be the best option. Agitate peacefully until we become a solid majority, or until everyone is dead from Trumpbamacare.

Fucking Americans, fantasizing after every small instance of political violence about this…

Calm down and don't worry, your middle class life won't ever be disturbed

This is always brought up, and it's why if this happens we are going to die.

We need to hone in on strategy as much as possible. If large scale conflicts break out (which they probably won't, sure), we will probably not have a devout gun culture in time for them. The problem with the left is we largely don't see guns as a competitive sport. This also makes sense - America's gun culture is not built on reason, but rather irrational panics paid for buy gun manufacturers themselves who don't give two shits if they actually help anyone defend themselves in real life. The left tends not to fall for stuff like this, but the consequence here could still be very bad.

Fat Burgers CBA to civil war OP. But in any case, the obvious solution to your question is to start at militia and model it and publicise it so that other people copy you

the government is on the right's side, citizen's militias are on the right's side, its best to just stick to holding signs if you don't want cars crashing into you

In other words, American gun culture is based in the knowledge that power grows from the barrel of a gun. Leftists have talked themselves into a disarmed corner and now realize why Mao didn't want an armed populace.

lol wut?

It's based principally in consumerism, but sure.


This isn't actually the case. Lack of guns among America's left isn't as much a product of decisive discussion as it is a disinterest in throwing a tremendous amount of cash into it. In most cases, the amount of money that participants in this gun culture throw into it are largely useless for the stated purpose. They still have a fuckton more guns, but this is considerably less useful in the meantime for taking down the government than shooting up churches.


I've always taken this statement for granted. Alas, I can find little evidence for it now. I'm not a communist, perhaps you're more well read in Mao.

Whether or not civil war is right around the corner, it's pretty stupid for the left to be as disarmed as it is.

We need to start actually talking about how to get armed and how to use our weapons, and fast.

Absolutely.

All capitalism is consumerism, i don't know why you're so insistant it's a marketing ploy. Americans have been obsessed with guns before there was mass market consumerism and ads. Consumerism is the means by which the guns are distributed, but the ideology behind arming yourself is much deeper than advertisement-based brainwashing.
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not for fun, which is what these guns get used for 99.9% of the time

I'm not talking about just going and buying something. I'm talking about devoutly stockpiling and obsessing over objects and incorporating them into one's identity. This is America's gun culture. It's not just a matter of owning a gun.


I never said that, actually. The "decisive discussion" was a hypothetical, not a reference to an actual thing.


I'm not sure what this is, but if you're pointing out that it's actually mostly recreational, then touché.

This is a dumbass question. The answer is short, simple and one word: Organize.

You are fucking delusional