People think antifa is an actual organization

I thought only Holla Forumsacks were this stupid but all the red liberal newfags seem to believe it too. So here is your PSA: ==there is no such thing as antifa==

why doesnt the goddam red text work

red text is tricky, I think it needs to be on its own line.

As for OP topic, tankies don't understand praxis beyond their political parties. I don't think they have a concept of a decentralized affinity group. Then again, we all know tankies don't read theory so its understandable

People think the black bloc is its own organization. The issue is that nobody out there has any clue what the fuck we actually do, beyond beating the fuck out of nazis.

They veiw the world through the current ideologi hegemony. Eg: Hierarchy, Capitalism, etc etc.

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It's actually header text that you're supposed to use alone on a new line

like so, but it makes you look like an angry motherfucker and reminds me of people who think making their text big and red will make you win the argument

Antifa is the new "hacker known as 4chan".

What is antifascism?

To focus solely on the oppositional and antagonsitic "anti" of antifascism is, in an important sense, to entirely miss the heart of the matter.

What is of primacy in antifascism is not the confrontation with fascists, but rather the militant defense of all that fascists fervently position themselves to destroy:

That which fails to conform and will continue to decisively and persistently fail to. The messy, the incongruent, and the queer. All that arcs away from the norm, from whiteness, and from the nation. The unexpected and inexplicable, the unexplainable and irreconcilable, the unrecognizable and intransigent. That which is simply too much or is far too little. The distasteful and undesirable. The different and the inexhaustibility and ineradicability of their difference. The in-between and the neither. The excess and the refuse and the forgotten of the past. The uncompromising ungovernability and unbounded creativity and radical heterogeneity of life itself.

Anarchists, communists, socialists, and all who oppose fascism in the present do so in defense of all that has managed to survive the immense violence of the past.

Anarchists, communists, socialists, and all who oppose fascism in the present do so in collective struggle for a future where such violence is less possible.

Antifascism is the militant endeavor to produce new histories that are not only increasingly absent of fascism, but are also increasingly abundant with everything and everyone fascists abhor.

Everyone know what they mean by antifa. The whole "actually, problem on our side don't exist" was already tried by SJW.

Push positive things, don't be Hillary "I'm anti thing, what's policy".

It's really lucky for the corporate media to just be able to keep reusing propaganda. Obama-bros becomes Bernie bros. Take Anti-Occupy propaganda, slap on some red and black, and now you have anti-antifa propaganda. Think of the savings!

FUCKING BASED
WE LOVE OUR PEDES DONT WE

Yeh the "antifa are cointelpro" really makes me laugh. I mean granted maybe in the major cities a couple undercover agents are in the big ones, but other than that there is nothing really to subvert

yeah, organization within crowds sucks. With us, it's basically a person with a megaphone who leads things … or people will start issuing a countdown if we plan to bust through cop lines

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Had to look up the context of the pic
but it made me kek when I did

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wtf happened to that thread?!

The same.
My condolences on your off-by-one. A compassionate check.

Motherfucking mods fucked up again so I'm going to copy paste the relevant texts from that thread.

via >>1986731
fascism is inherent to capitalism, its systemic, not the result of a few 'dudebros' with not enough 'empathy'. That's something liberals and most leftists don't get. You can't defeat fascism with sheer 'moral decency', you have to destroy the broader system that makes fascism possible. defending the decrepit liberal order that gave birth to fascism is a recipe for suicide.
The liberal concept of 'white supremacy' is profoundly idealistic and anti materialist. It turns 'racism' into an ahistorical, theological issue. When in reality racism is a material issue. Slavery didn't happen because white people hated blacks for some reason, it was an inseparable part of the process of capitalist accumulation. See liberal darling Ta Neshi Coates' best seller Between the World and Me for example. It's pure theology, no wonder navel gazing woke whites love it. The relationship of most white liberals/leftists with 'white supremacy' isn't that different from the relationship between and 18th century calvinist and her god. 'Whiteness' is an original sin you must atone for, you will always be 'racist' regardless of what you do, the best you can do is aim for moral superiority in the hopes of entering the circle of the elect. If the left is to win and avert the catastrophe of fascism we have to be completely merciless with the pseudo protestant, moralistic and voluntarist platitudes so beloved by bourgeois whites. This is not about your personal redemption narrative. white leftists can only see nonwhites as props to their moral autism. if you really cared about 'the oppressed' and not about the relationship with your bourgeois guilt, you would be out there fighting for communism.

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I get your point but even still you are too favorable towards left idpol. In the most critical days, usually at the gates of a possible habbiding, their idpol is just as divisive.
Again, I get it, but… again… you are too kind towards them. Anticapitalist – sure. Communist? No way. They lack communist organizations: parties, platforms. (If that's too [whatever] for you: they lack revolutionary organs.)
Vague anti-capitalism, but sure, better than leaving them in complete darkness.
Except antifa don't necessarily interpellate people as workers. They most often use populist slogans (the people), refer to race (BLM), gender (LGBT), and so on…

Well, I wish it was that simple. Their objective class position ranges from lumpen to prole up to p-bourg.

cont.

…physical removal of communist, anarchist, socialist organizations all around the US? I mean you can't be this blinded: antifa is legit discourse as far as Hillary and Mitt Romney is concerned.
I generally dislike poetics, but I'll level with you. What we need now is a not a multi-faceted diamond that glistens in all the colors (this has been the dominant praxis since the conception of the pomo new left), but a single-edged sword that cuts.
It's not and Jason Unruhe is an idiot so stop entertaining him.
Fair point, but then again, that faggot with the rest of the Christian left (Chris Hedges) then goes onto doing a sermon about MLK and pacifism…
IF and ONLY IF antifa can escape being reintegrated into the liberal narrative (lets face it, so far they failed, and in fact are in symbiosis vs. Trump with them). And this won't come from inside antifa, only outside.

I got it, fam, it just seems to me that you don't think it's a communists job to do communist work, i.e. revolutionary politics. Well who the fuck is going to do our work if not us?
Within pretty narrow limits, and it's questionable if it does more good than harm on the long run, since idpol can change you identities, but doesn't make you unstuck from them…
Honest question: don't you think now that half of the country sees antifa as the good guys, and liberals can carry it on, it's time maybe for the communists to focus on revolutionary work?
Remember what I told you about the diamond vs. the sword?

cont.

And this is where my pessimism sets in. I don't believe that these "multifaceted anticapitalists" who do soup kitchens in the morning, antifa in the afternoon, and punk concerts in the evening WANT a proper communist movement. They don't think like communists, they don't act like communists, but we are somehow to believe that deep down they are because reasons.
But I even get ancom's notions of the stages of development of class consciousness in the USA, but riddle me this: when will it be developed enough so that we can start actually focusing on what matters?

wait, mods killed that antifa critique thread? why? there was some legit conversation there
I was about to make a post about the rise of fascism in Europe and how it was related to the Left and what we could learn from the past

looking at the mod thread they might havr banned a dubious 'stache poster and with it went down the thread 'somehow'

and by that I mean
- either Holla Forums is shit, so bug
- or mod goof'd
- or it was on purpose

They banned me because of that thread. I'd like to know why I'm considered dubious tho. Seriously just because I prefer shitting on neo-liberals imperliasts instead of white supremacists?
In the mods feedback thread there is a yugo poster that calls me dubious, that same poster went on on lenghts yesterday on how the working class who voted trump don't deserve our help. This is r/socialism tier

No, actually a mod calls you that. My calling you that ITT had nothing to do with it, I just ctrl+F'd it in the mod team but it pretty much asserts that many posters do find you dubious. For me its mostly your lingo, e.g. "White supremacist are a consquence of liberal retardation."; "Look at this alt left bullshit."

How's that dubious? Idpol obsession is what ruined the left in america, what alienated the working class from the left. The supposed left in that country is bribing and dividin the people with this shit about white muh privilege and blabla while they are destroying unions, family and stealing houses. I see trump voters and white supremacist that come from the working class as nothing else as a misguided prole. I stand with this thought at the cost of being banned everyday honeslty. It's dramatic how we lost our base.
Yeah, I such a controversial opinion to think that they are rebranding us now that the alt right is basically dead? In a few years everything that is not left idpol will be rebranded as "alt-left" "the isis of the left". Read the op of that thread. Antifa had a role in this. Antifa was the veichle that the neo-liberal is using to divide and destroy anything that resamble class conflict in the left. I don't see how this is dubious or could pass as something a Holla Forumstard could think. Someone even made the criticism that I seem dubious because I wear a stalin flag but I don't act all tankie, but that's bullshit too. I'm not a mindless tankie but I find pretty offensive how someone cannot consider me an extremist. I'm a proud ML that wear a stalin stash badge even if I don't agree with a lot of shit that stalin pulled because I find him an interesting thing, a martyr above all things. I can just admire the cold pragmatism of the man.

Man*

It's a very lame non-explanation that is characteristic of poltards.
Sure, you are correct.
There's no need for this ethos because most of us already agree with you.
It's not, just don't use their terminology unironically that was cooked up to attack us.

I wasn't using that term unironically I was using it to show the fuel that antifa gave to the media
I have to admit that I shouldn't have used this phrase in that thread without explaination (I did explain in this one tho)
It's days that I get called nazi by various poster because I defend people on the other side without jumping on them mindlessly. I was never called a nazi or a Holla Forumstard before. It's in the last few day since charlotteville that I get called like that.

Probably because you get agitated very quickly when this topic is discussed. We get that you are pissed by liberals.