How do I demonstrate to myself that leftism isnt just mental gymnastics of the weak? Arent the proles, on average...

How do I demonstrate to myself that leftism isnt just mental gymnastics of the weak? Arent the proles, on average, much aesthetically uglier, physically weaker, intellectually deficient, technically/scientifically illiterate, full of excuses etc etc? Where the fuck is communism on the map? Where are the results? What concrete evidence do you have that you are not better off becoming the porkiest porky or die trying?

I found a silly poem somewhere on the internet and I guess I will post it in the first few posts of this thread because it's hitting me in the feels atm:
Might was right when Caesar bled
Upon the stones of Rome,
Might was right when Genghis led
His hordes over Danube's foam,
And might was right when German troops
Poured down through Paris way,
It's the gospel of the ancient world
And the logic of today.

Behind all kings and presidents -
All government and law,
Are army-corps and cannoneers -
To hold the world in awe.
And sword-strong races own the earth,
And ride the conqueror's car -
And liberty has never been won
Except by deeds of war.

What are the lords of hoarded gold -
The silent Semite rings?
What are the plunder-patriots -
High-pontiffs, priests and kings?
What are they but bold master-minds,
Best fitted for the fray who comprehend
And vanquish by - the logic of today.

Cain's knotted club is scepter still -
The "right of man" is fraud:
Christ's ethics are for creeping things -
True manhood smiles at "god".
For might is right when empires sink
In storms of steel and flame;
And it is right when weakling breeds -
Are hunted down like game.

Then what's the use of dreaming dreams -
That "each shall get his own"?
By forceless votes of meek-eyed thralls,
Who blindly sweat and moan? no!
A curse is on their cankered brains -
Their very bones decay
Trace your fate in the iron game,
It's the logic of today.

The strong must ever rule the weak,
Is grim primordial law -
On earth's broad racial threshing floor,
The meek are beaten straw -
Then ride to power o'er foemen's necks
Let nothing bar your way:
If you are fit you'll rule and reign,
Is the logic of today.
You must prove you're right by deeds of might -
Of splendor and reknown.
If need be, march through flames of hell,
To dash opponents down - if need be,
Die on scaffold high -
In the morning's misty grey:
For "liberty or death" is still the logic of today.
Might was right when Gideon led
The "chosen" tribes of old,
And it was right when Titus burnt,
Their temple roofed with gold:
And might was right from Bunker's hill,
To far Manilla bay,
By land and flood it's wrote in blood -
The gospel of today.

"Put not your trust in princes"
Is a saying old and true,
"Put not your hope in governments"
Rranslateth it anew.
All "books of law" and "golden rules"
Are fashioned to betray:
"The survival of the strongest"
Is the gospel of today.

Might was right when Carthage flames
Lit up the punic foam -
And when the naked steel of Gaul
Weighed down the spoil of Rome;
And might was right when Richmond fell -
And at Thermopylae -
It's the logic of the ancient world -
And the gospel of today.
Where pendant suns in millions swing,
Around this whirling earth,
It's might, it's force that holds the brakes,
And steers through death and birth:
Force governs all organic life,
Inspires all right and wrong.
It's nature's plan to weed-out man,
And test who are the strong.

Nice blogpost fag

kill yourself retard

top arguments i guess

as opposed to the tall, muscular, fit and ubermenschen bourgeoisie?

Maybe when you make an argument people will respond to you with one.

There are strong, beautiful people under Communism, e.g. Melania Trump. I don't know where you're going.

well stirner said that everything you can take and defend is yours
the porkys are holding and defending the means of production


they hold the means of production, arent they?

how about some prosperity and cooperation so we can live pleasant and fulfilling lives of virtue and self-improvement you mentally deficient LARP-er?

What kind of Trot isn't warhungry

Because you're probably a weak goober just like the rest of us

One who differentiates between ends and means my dude.

i will be back to read and reply later on if anyone cares to talk about this


what if making the world a better place doesnt mean making the world a better place for everyone?
successful war contractors live a much more pleasant and fulfilling life than all the proles put together


yeah but that's where the die trying parts comes, or as the sayings of pretty much all the different peoples go, 'better to live one day as a lion than a thousand as a sheep'

Like in what world are you not a frail human being

Just because you have muscles doesn't make you super human bitch you still have all the strengths and weaknesses of human beings and your ass can have cancer and not know it, have a stroke and go to the hospital, break a leg, break an arm

I would say your weakness is believing you aren't weak. You are. You absolutely are a weak amount of tissue on bone and you're no different than anyone else for thinking you're more because you have some muscles I really doubt you have

You are never not going to be a sheep though and to be honest there's nothing wrong with that. You can't change the fact you're just mortal and you're just human and material circumstances can effect you more than anyone singular could.

You have a "weak" mind to grapple the fact you're not important

so what?

i posted conan because it.. 'fits' better visually to what im saying
but if i went full autismo, i'd post a conan in a labcoat next to a supercomputer that can predict anal cancer and also all state actors on this planet and basically make best korea a model of proper international conduct

so if you will indulge me imagine the conan but with mathematical formulas of some trillion years in the future calculus vector space linear algebra number theory [?] which basically allows him to analytically predict and prevent all 'whataboutisms' you can think


but 90% of the global population are essentially irrelevant and unessential, and the world would keep spinning even if they all magically disappeared
they are completely powerless to do anything about themselves, our modern society works on engineering maybe 5% of our population understands, all the water, electricity, economy (yes economy too is ran by engineers these days), military, everything, even our culture is here in the shape that it is thanks to a very few number of people
and I suspect that they'd be better off without us anyway

I have seen "lights out manufacturing", you can look it up on youtube, whole houses, cars, precision tools, and modern pharmaceuticals, all made with 0 human labor, all built by automated machines (hence the lights out bit in the name, computers and the hardware does not require lights to work)

You have to be one of the most cancerous shitposters on this board.

So what you're saying is people are crucial to make society fiction.

Ok

Socialists don't disagree with that position. The only position you're advocating for is Randian bullshit wherein they have a right to self harm society.

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man what if someone out there builds an ai
and this ai sees itself as a 'might is right' master of the universe type
and it sees humanity just as humanity sees ants, weird but interesting little creatures but ultimately irrelevant and trivial

and basically all our shit is fucked before any socialism ever happens

It wouldn't because nobody is stupid enough to build skynet and skynet isn't a real good example of what AI would look like.

You're putting your own political perspective on an AI

Ex Machina would be a better example of what an AI would be like

i dont know man, it's how my brain work
when i hear one group complaining about exploitation, i automatically ask myself how can they claim equality if they are being exploited, how can they demand anything if they cant enforce it

i see complaining as fundamentally trivial, and people who do the complaining as those annoying itchy red spots on your dick that you just wish they would go away because they irritate you to no end and you are to embarrased to go to the doctor so you just…. sit there with the itchy dick, all angry and irritated and annoyed

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even as hyperbole this sentiment is completely untrue, you evidently have very little idea about how manufacturing and daily life functions, perhaps more time spent outside and less playing total war would do you good.

Moreover the entire attitude is inane since it posits humans as so utility rather than at the centre of things. If there were a system which is genuinely 100% automated and could operate with all humans gone would that be 'good' in any way? Our economic activity as humans is purposeful towards securing our interests material and social, to this aim we implemented division of labour, private property, exchange and 10,000 years of historical development so far. But it is all centered on us and our needs. You delusionally perceive systems apart from us. As if there were some mythical idea of 'progress' we are chasing for its own sake and that which does not serve it can be discarded as irrelevant and unessential. For what purpose is all this?

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no i mean imagine one group of people who can basically manufacture everything without any human labor, 100% self sufficient without any outsiders, who can also weaponize e.coli and ebola and whatnot, and the other group that just…. cant, cant self sustain, cant figure out a vaccine, cant figure out the cancer missile stoppers

it would still be centered around our needs
its just that not all of us would be in that "our" category


well there are only 2 types of people in this life
those who find a way
and those who find an excuse
excuses are like assholes, everyone has one, complaining can not be productive, it is a waste of effort, waste of energy, waste of breath, it is just annoying

and if you are commenting the itchy dick part, man i live in a relatively small place, those doctors probably talk on coffee breaks, cant trust any of those cunts to keep their whore mouths shut and just do their fucking job without adding a little bit of their own sort of itch on top of the existing one

So this is what a mind damaged irreparably by alienation looks like

how is might not the only objective virtue in the universe, and weakness the fundamental sin? how is might not to politics, diplomacy, law, military and economy not what atoms are to chemistry? even physics teach us that the weak force must give way to the stronger one

Life is barren in the universe, the only observable instance of it is on Earth.

There is no inherit virtue of the universe. You are putting morals on the void.

is there a crime in this world, other than getting caught? what do all the criminals of this world have in common? theft? murder? being guilty? we have plenty of historical cases documenting that no, not even being guilty is what exclusively defines a criminal

the only crime in this world, is getting caught

Don't cut yourself with that edge

pick 2

no u/10

pick 1 and only 1

is a sage + ad hominem what goes for posting on this board?

why tankies are so retarded?

You're encouraging me to shit post you dumb bitch…….

i mean we on pol have intradimensional child molesting globalist vampire elites using haarp geochemical engineering to enslave us all with chemtrails

not saying that its a solid argument, but at least its more entertaining to read than this sage + insult one liner crap

I dont have enough stirner images for this thread

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Nobody cares if you aren't being entertained because you are our entertainment.

Nietzsche btfo that conservative sentimentalism a long time ago, famalam.

what is up with stirner? is he some sort of….. collectivist individualist?

i swear, the left and its word salad isms, it can criticize a thing for days but never produce its own thing, it can criticize the free market but never point to a planned economy outproducing it anywhere, it can talk the talk but never walk the walk, it wants to redistribute the wealth but never to make any
that's the most fundamental characteristic about all leftist intellectual anything: it doesnt have to work to survive, leftist intellectuals can just survive on the government handouts that the govt extracts out of private sector, which pays like 100% of the taxes


this is an interesting post, i'll look into that i guess
tho in thus spoke zarathustra, knee cha basically said that you are supposed to become an ubermentzcshfp by just adopting your own moral system and living truly by it

and this ai sees itself as a 'might is right' master of the universe type
I wish people who now jack shit about AI would just stop talking

fixed

You just need to see your hegelian master-slave mentality through marxists lenses (i.e class struggle)

ai doesnt have anything to do with you being a codemonkey tho
i can into hypertext transcript protocol, ruby/python and other scripting langs, c and its derivatives and other such low lvl compiled languages, java, you name it, i had a job doing it

and i still dont get it, why wouldnt an ai see us in exact same way we see ants? curious to see it exist, but ultimately irrelevant if it is in the way

You have the mentality of my three year old cousin.

"Why wouldn't it see us as ants?"

Who gives a shit. How AI functions is completely different then how AI functions in a fucking Hollywood movie

mate, the revolution hasnt hapended because of all this deficiencies you list. revolutionaries is becoming strong, smart, literate, controlling your life and fate. the results and evidence we have are only partial as true communist society is yet to come, if we manage to overcome ouselves

yeah and the burgeronis are clearly the masters and proles clearly the slaves
right?

what if the workers of the world are just… too weak and stupid? i mean have you seen the modern left? 0 revolutionary potential, your militant feminists cant defeat their reduced lung capacity, bone density, or muscle mass, horde of gays and women and other art degree undesirables where no one can bench 200 kilos or build a radar and laser guide a faster than sound travelling projectile

basically what im saying is that the masters are masters because they are superior

but they are not always superior by their own capacities. some are born with those muh privileges. the masters may have slaves but they are not perfect. they thrive by using other people strength, work and time.

Because there is no variance among human beings this far enough for it to be the case. Much wealth is inherited wealth, and a large number of wealthy people, incredibly stupid.

Bourgeoisie are masters because they have property and a global state apparatus devoted to protect their interests.

If you're so familiar with programming then why do you keep personifying computers?

Also, even if what you claim is true, just because you can write a program in ruby doesn't mean you understand how neural networks actually function. And it certainly doesn't mean you're familiar with the complexity of the problem you're posing and are aware of what factors in real life dictate how technology develops.

yeah sure but what evidence do you have that anything will ever happen?
almost all of pol are basically manchild larpers that shoot beer cans in the woods but cant climb the stairs without farting
almost all of leftists you see are daddy money sheltered cunts promoting diversity because that's the hip new cool trendy thing to do and because they never saw it up close and personal

in the mean time, while all the kiddies are larping their own thing, pentagon and industry types are building their orbital weapon platforms or i dont even know what, which will basically put everyone who isnt them in a permanent check-mate
i wouldnt be surprised if tomorrow they declare all engineering and other relevant topics illegal to discuss, just burn the books with technical knowledge, revert us back shamans explaining shit times, while continuing to keep everyone comfortable beyond complaint, till they can wipe us all out under a minute

not a single mans condition is determined completely by himself .he lives in a society that may help you or make it hard for you

theres no evidence. if we fail, capitalism will be the end of humanity. and theres plenty of evidence about that (wars, environmental distruction, etc.)

Capitalism = rule by capital
Power or 'might' as you call it is economically derived.
Do not be so stupid as to think the the bourgeoisie are independently making their own decisions.
They too are slaves to capital, and must engage in certain behaviours in order to continue to profit.

this whole tabula rasa is debunked beyond words now
society doesnt determine everything there is
chinese parents do not give birth to arab babies for example, this is probably the most trivial thing that society doesnt influence but its extremely easy to see just with your eyes

phobias are inherited, and i personally find the whole "whites and asians had ice age glaciations for thousands of years, which forced them to develop better shelters, better tools, better clothing, snares, long term winter prep thinking, cooperation over aggression to hunt giant mammoths which were the only game" thingie

there are academic papers on this explaining it better than i ever could
but basically you cant mold a… chinese guy by society to grow into 2 meters tall nba player
or make not-west africans sprint faster than west africans
or beat nordics/north slavs at weight lifting

we used eugenics to get faster racing horses, fatter pigs, taller corn… not environment, eugenics
but its somehow bad on humans, hurts feelings or i dont know, never understood the whole 'eugenics are bad' thing

you know, great distinction between science and pseudo science, is predictive power
if a physicist drops an object and tells you it is going to hit the ground in 3.523523 seconds, you can predict, measure, test this theory
but if someone tells you "revolution is coming soon! very soon! any minute now! its right around the corner!", you cant really predict, measure, test this thing with any measuring instrument, can you?

didnt your communism already splinter into bazillion different isms by now? did one of them build itself?

sounds awfully similar to the pol's day of the rope
they have been tying a hangman's knot for decades now, and yet the shitskins still roam around looting and pillaging the streets