Can we have any conversation without someone dismissing an argument with "Read [ideological text I prefer]?"
This is not come across as an intellectually lazy way of ending discussion until guidelines you've set have been met?
Of course I'm not saying text has no place in our discussions that would be ludicrous. Simply reading the text doesn't get anyone anywhere they are just words.
We should be debating the merits of the text and explaining them in our arguments. Saying things like "read so-and-so" is the most intellectually lazy thing about this board and comes off as disingenuous to the subject of the text itself.
Leftcoms gonna leftcom user. The best thing you can do is actually read it because they haven't. I agree, totally redundant and arrogant way to argue, very lazy
Jace Smith
I posted this very thread like a month or 2 ago also
Luis Stewart
Theres two situations where the "read xyz" is used:
1. Youre a cunt and use it to dismiss arguements 2. People say a lot of bullshit and then expect you to write a phd-level paper to refute their arguments on an imageboard.
In the latter case it is 100% valid to tell them to read book x or y.
Zachary Gomez
Gomen be, user-kun, but I can't agree completely with you, but I do believe your points have some validity. It is difficult, because of the (occasionally) high likelihood of the opposing party being disingenuous at best. It can be very despiriting to put a great deal of effort into a post only to be "slapped in the face" with boorish dismissal. You're not wrong when you call it lazy, yet I cannot help but think that laziness of this kind is the natural result of both the argumentative nature of the environment and confrontational tone of the board (though it isn't as though rude visitors themselves are blameless too).
Sorry, but I haven't any solutions to offer.
Jacob Wright
tbh sometimes it's annoying have to explain Holla Forumstards shit over and over. fuck that.
just tell them whats the source. What I'm talking about is not ideological through. It's the explanation of physical things, zero ideology attached.
Tyler King
The least you can do is cite the ideas you're talking about if you hold them to such high regard. I saw another user doing this about Stirner's work. It didn't convince me 100% but it got me interested in further exploring some of his ideas.
Colton Thomas
no, read Bordiga
Hudson Phillips
Holla Forums consists of passive receiving nerds who fetishize books
Sam Kriss is a fucking hack who uses personal attacks so that he doesn't have to engage the material he argues against. The left does have a great literary tradition, it's just one that goes against the naive humanist principles he espouses. The dude can get fucked.
