Why is it no matter how many time we lecture people on socialism, retarded burgers keep spouting this meme of everything i dont like = marxism? I've had countless arguments on twitter with people who absolutely REFUSE to listen to any argument. The ignore the points you make and when you correct them they just keep saying shit like 'you keep believing that, you don't know that socialism is TYRANNY' or some other vapid burgerism.
We cant even have a debate over socialism vs capitalism if we have to first go down this semantic rabbit hole of even defining what socialism and capitalism are. Are these people retarded? too lazy to read? are they arguing in bad faith or just trolling? Or do they genuinely believe that socialism is "when the government does stuff", or worse, simply some nebulous or possibly jewish force out there responsible for everything bad in the world?
In case any alt right, fascist, conservative, or right-libertarian is reading this, for the last fucking time, lets define socialism
-Socialism is democratic workers control of MEANS of PRODUCTION, the abolition of the commodity form, the dialectical contradiction between use and exchange value, not a state of affairs to be established but the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. STOP LISTENING TO FOX NEWS and actually READ some leftist books if you want to be remotely intellectually honest with us, otherwise its just an autistic screaming match with some sargon tier intellectual manlet saying MUH SOCIALISM without even bothering to understand the ideologies, theories, history, or goals of socialism and socialists.
Pretty much everyone here has at least a vague knowledge of neoclassical economics, and general right wing theory, can you say the same of the right? I guess there really is no hope for these fuckers
yeah I'm not even going to read the rest and I'm just gonna accept Third Worldism as the only rational revolutionary path just join me just
Juan Carter
honestly just nuke us
Alexander Taylor
The purpose of a debate isn't trying to change your opponent's opinion, it's likely never going to happen from just a single conversation, but instead its to make your arguments look better than your opponent's in the eyes of the audience.
Alexander Peterson
they could even read Austrian books and learn 5x more than what they currently know about Marxism
Brayden Reed
They should read any book then, but tbh I've read Austrian economics and I disagree with it. the ABC is wrong, plus Mises and co were autistic manchildren who thought you could do economic theory without any use of Mathematics, empirical evidence, or econometrics. Even if i were to go full right winger today, id be a neoclassical / public choice school person, austrian economics has mass appeal because it combines the market fundamentalist approach of neoclassical economics but in a way where people who couldn't hack Calculus can understand it.
Anyway this isnt about understanding capitalism, its about understanding socialism. At least Mises actually read Marx, even if he didn't understand him. Most lolberts today really can't be bothered.
Levi Allen
that's sort of the point I'm trying to make. lolberts are so severely uneducated that reading another lolbert would actually make them understand marx better.
Wyatt Wright
Unfortunately there are 1 million flavors of socialism, and capitalism is not anything real; it is a strawman that bloodthirsty Marxists enjoy whipping on.
You've skipped over posts here deriding democracy as an attack vector for demagogues.
Dominic Sanchez
Except its the system was all live in, unless you're posting from cuba
Sebastian Evans
yes, I remember when we were living in tribes and everything was exchanged for profit and you could own private property miles away and make profit off of it, capitalism is just human nature! the social orginization which the workers use to control the means of production doesn't mean it's not socialism. that just affects whether it's marxism, marxism-leninism, or anarchism. which are all considered "socialist" regardless.
