But that wasn't real Calvinism

OK have you ever considered Marxism to be wrong?

From a modern perspective, yes they were a very uptight people.
From a philosophical and historical perspective, there are commonalities between them and I believe them to be the ideological root of communism. They believed in communities, that private property would lead to corruption but they were also extremely rebellious and they eventually triggered the thirteen years war.
Another fascinating story is the Münster rebellion where you can find similarities to the Paris commune
dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-48-prophets-of-doom/

Thanks for the history lesson Uncle Sam.

So you basically need the capitalist to create the means of production for you, before you can take over what he created.

It's because they didn't have computers

I don't think you understand the process quite well.

They didn't google Bookchin

Every country that has tried to implement communism was a semi-feudal society wo/ computers. So why make the effort in the first place when they obviously haven't gone through capitalism or obtained computers?

ok he bought MOP with a loan from a bank with interest. Doesn't really change the fact that he generated the environment where MOP could operate.

They didn't know any better because Cockshott (PBUH) hadn't been born yet

that's not how it works. the workers entrust the capitalist with the fruits of their labor to capitalists because the capitalists are expected to use that surplus to invest back into the economy. when the rate of profit hits rock bottom, the capitalists are no longer motivated since they require on non-trade profit in order to gain wealth (google TRPF). when this becomes the case, a capitalists role in society, instead of as an investor, becomes more like that of a leech.

sorry for my english, made a few mistakes here
*the workers entrust the capitalist with the fruits of their labor because
**they require non-trade profit

Unless you can follow that truly remarkable statement up with a doctoral thesis in economic and political theory, your 'belief' about marxism is fucking trash.

holy shit.

Ok, you're an idiot. Try, just fucking try reading (any) entire book on marxism before fitting it into your crackpot, pseudo-intellectual wanking.

OK so according to you technology has progressed to a certain level where a Marxist society is possible. Then why try to implement Marxism in the 20th century when technology hadn't come far enough.

see>>1941534

youtu.be/q-eAKnVGGBI?t=640

give me one reason why I should take videos by this channel seriously

I don't see how this refutes my post at all
the whole fucking problem is that the MOP aren't being re-invested in (because of TRPF) and the economy is no longer growing. now we're resorting to things like imperialism simply to continue running at the status quo.
your entire post can be summed up as "muh rights", which isn't a real argument.

why

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youtube.com/watch?v=9oXEgH4HzYk
here's some actual economics for you

Because you're supposed to leave a space between quotes and post references.

I was just shitposting seeing as you likely haven't read a single thing about Marxism.
You probably just saw this EPIK BTFO XD of socialism and thought you'd tell us about it: youtube.com/watch?v=7dAmroKyzGY

Honestly learn to sage

this is an imageboard and it takes up space on the webpage.

sage because im retarded

I'm sure your English teacher is proud. Tip: this is an imageboard, not an MLA paper

Aw shit, don't want to waste.. trees? - Are you on a phone or something?
Honestly, I've been posting on chans for over a decade, this is the first time anyone has had a problem with breaks for quotes and references, before the 'reddit' paranoia it was always expected.

Sounds like everyone was already in "every man for himself" mode. The nearby natives survived just fine with gift economies and being ignorant to the European understanding of property. Maybe it has more to do with European culture than the ideology.

I am not here to autistically discuss leftist economics

Why are you afraid of some basic critique of your ideology?

That's correct but I understand the basics from watching you discussing it here.
No I got these arguments from neo-reactionaries and the guy from the YouTube video is arguing from a different perspective regarding Plymouth.
That is why they never developed any real civilisation and you know that the idea of the noble savage is just a myth.
these people were in rebellion against the current European system. They were protocommies

These places were completely isolated from the rest of the world, didn't have access to any trade routes. Truly, Marx has been btfo.

I'm not discussing leftist economics you retard. That's the economy under capitalism. Are you for real?

So you're saying that to have a commie revolution you are dependant on the capitalist

No that is critique of capitalist theory from a Marxist.

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Can take a man out of the hood, but can't take the hood out of the man.
Never brought that up.
Ah, its a "if it isn't like European civilization it isnt reelz" episode. European explorers found the land to be well utilized and taken care of. So no, they weren't noble savages, but they weren't monkeys just sitting in the woods with their thumb up their ass either.

you re not even trying

how the fuck do you even read that post, and come to that conclusion? Laborers aren't dependent on shit, they're emancipating themselves from the cycle of capital and taking back what they've built in order for it to go towards use and not profit.

sure thing dude, this is not what we're discussing here though.

Most people define a Civilisation as a society that has evolved beyond hunting and gathering

Your schedule must be packed. You apparently also don't have the time to research with anything more than alt-right youtube vids.

I opened the thread, the first thing I saw was so I replied and proved you wrong. If you want to change the subject then I'm out. peace.

Smaller tribes were hunter/gatherers because it is what made the most sense for that number of people. Native Americans were not a single monolithic people. Many tribes lived in different ways.
When groups/tribes got big enough, they turned to agriculture.
Who do you think taught the settlers how to grow and use corn?

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Mississippian river culture??