Hipster types

the modern working class isn't like the proletariat of the industrial revolution. most workers in the post industrial world are precarious service workers. 'creatives' are pretty proletarianised by this point, ie. zero job security, tons of debt, alienation. communism isn't identity politics for industrial workers, but the real movement towards the abolition of the capitalist system.The fetishisation of working class authenticity in Stalinist parties was probably the original form of modern identity politics. We shouldn't encourage artsy types to pursue industrial jobs in spite of their actual interests or inclinations because it's somehow more 'authentic' or something.

Does she have a dick?

OP here, I needed this reply, thanks.

They will be useful when repopulating Siberia.

Some are salvageable. I live with a gay one, though, and straight up fits your OP to a T.

Wouldn't trust him in a revolution at all. Actively avoid talking politics with him because he has "SNITCH" written all over him.

All I'm saying is BEWARE of these types. I would posit most of them are right wing bourgeois trash that love joking about gentrification and being useful idiots for the Democrats. They unironically will shill neoliberalism when you get down to the nitty gritty of true communist ideals. They love private property and bourgeois speech and will never let go of these things.

The worst part is, they often identify as "oppressed" per leftist idpol ideology and constantly use this to appeal to leftists that naively try to 'convert' them to their ideological tendency. This is nothing more than a way to get you to out yourself as a communist so they can later snitch on you. It's just a slower and more cunning alternative to the alt-righters actively putting you on a list.

In many ways I would say they're worse than right wingers because of this. They pay symbolic deference to leftism by claiming to have "read Chomsky" or some other meaningless BS and will stab you in the back at a moment's notice when it's ideologically convenient for them to.

The whole Bernie killed Rosa meme is real is all I'm saying. DONT SAY I DIDNT WARN YOU FUCKERS

You can't be a marxist if you fall for capitalist traps

What are you on? This is basic human talk, what does this have to do with anything? Fascists talk like this, Libruls talk like this, Conservashits talk like this, everyone does.

Is this her? Or is she some 4chan girl?

The truth that nobody wants to acknowledge is that ideology (as in political/economic theory) is nowhere near as important because their ideology is probably never going to be implemented in his lifetime.
What really is important is your personal philosophy and how you live your life, these people are either void of it or have the most disgusting philosophies possible and bourgeoisie benefit from this kind of obedient slaves the most.

Completely fucking counter- revolutionary.

Reminder that Gavin McInnes is part of the alt-light.

But they are so insufferable. Hipsters strike me as hyper cause consumers. I don't think any of them are artists, simply fetishize artisanship because it take more labor, then any real appreciation of it or because it's superior.

This, feel for this trap personally and lost a job over it.

alt-light is the alt-right

for all the bright colours and self-proclaimed "queerness", they are usually remarkably boring people once you get to know them

Is this surprising for you? I mean, what did you even expect?

I guess at one point I kinda expected what it says on the tin you know, for the personality to be as colourful as the hair. For them to actually be into some obscure and interesting music or philosophy or authors something like their facebook posts hint at. for their """queer""" gender and sexuality to actually be something beyond being a straight cis girl with a pixie haircut who kissed a girl once in high school or a skinny straight boy who wears eyeliner and tight jeans and now they're both oppressed sexual minorities telling you to check muh privilege somehow.

it's just disappointing you know? until you really get to know this kind of person there's this mystique around them that they're on the cutting edge of """new culture""" or are at least genuinely weird, but they're nearly always as flat as extras from an Apple ad.

one of the big social lessons I learned in my 20s was that if you want to meet an interesting person at a party or something, you find the person in the corner wearing really unremarkable clothes, with a 10 buck haircut, staring at their shoes and they'll be really passionate about something you've never heard of, or have strong opinions on early medieval philosophical schools, or will blow your mind in bed while the showy fashionista hipsters (if that's what we're still calling them?) will disappoint you every time.

I know examples where this is not always true, like some girl vaguely related to me by extended family who dresses average but she is criticized by other family members and cousins for being one of the most boring and conservative-minded people they can think of.

Then again I can bring example of two art school girls, where one of them was into cosplaying stuff and the other was pretty regular-looking, and I wouldn't say anything remarkable about that first girl's personality, while the other one was the perfect "manic pixie dream girl" in real life, and I mean it in the good way, like real innocent, friendly, transparent and had all these fun little quirks that she seemed to enjoy on their own rather than wanting to appear a certain way for others.

I've always found that good way to find genuinely interesting people is to ask why they are doing something, wearing something, or going somewhere, and listen to how they speak. There is a combination of good sense of humor, being consistently eccentric, being absent-minded and using a large, varied vocabulary in speech that makes person genuinely interesting and not just pretentious.

What the fuck is that picture.

Judging from the reflections, pixellation and font choices, it looks fake. I usually assume all this too nonsensical stuff to be fake unless someone posts picture several pictures from different angles.

No such thing, people who speak IRL like it's Holla Forums or some philosophical forum are usually complete egocentric morons with very low self-esteem
Using uncommon words in speech is a sin unless you really can't find a simple alternative for your words.
If you unironically use "Duning-Kruger effect instead of Illusory superiority", "bourgeoisie instead of capitalist", buzzwords like dialectic, or even worse, words that nobody other than those that have a read a particular book have heard of then you are completely oblivious to how dumb the impression you give is.
You're completely alienated

fags need to be purged tbh.

Fucked up the quotation marks.

It's a photoshop of course, but cosplayers are indeed prostitutes that can be hired after their regular duty, but that's not a surprise to anyone.

true, but that's only half of the truth. for instance, I'm an alienated egocentric moron with low self esteem, and I generally don't speak my mind in public, at best I speak in vague allusions that fly over everyone's head, and I only sperg out when I'm drunk to the point of almost losing consciousness.

You have a good point, I haven't really thought about it like that. I personally don't really do that thing, I like to explain complex concepts using metaphors, not buzzwords. I use metaphors really often to explain almost everything, because it just works with normies, but it gets me in trouble sometimes, because some of the dumber ones have tendency to take my metaphors too literally or start to correct my metaphor example instead of arguing with the point I was trying to make.

I can't stand social drinking that much anymore. Sometimes I drink alone in purpose so I don't have a chance to do as much stupid shit. When I am drunk, I usually stay peaceful/respectful but become overly hyped about certain topics and overwhelmed quite a lot of people with these

drivel rants.

Is that girl a hipster? I think she looks more like a punky teenager who probably considers her self artistic or creative.
I'd see her as a possible comrade, both punk and the arts have long traditions with the left wing.
As for hipsters, they are obsessed with the authentic and artisan-ship to the point of being almost reactionary, but still have progressive social values. They are way to obsessed with small business, individualism and entrepreneurship to go for M-L, but I think there is enough contempt for big business that mutualism could have a real chance of catching hold among muh barbershop and micro breweries hipsters.

That cake looks like crap, bland tasting sugar bread dipped in food-color to look interesting.
If you look close enough you can see the girl asking herself "is this what I would taste like?"

I said "hipster" due lack of a better word for the "alternative-dressing young creative types", I think the actual "hipster" subculture itself with beards, glasses, v-necks is just a fashion movement. What you described as start-up individualist artisan-ship obsessed types falls well under what most young creatives are into as well, but there are some young creatives who don't fall into hipster subculture, for example these deviantart/tumblr browsing types who are into vaporwave, pastelgoth, healthgoth or some kind of anime cosplay stuff. Maybe I am wrong and these people are just female version of hipster.

Nothing wrong with them, creatives are as important to society as the worker. Both have their work exploited and have a lot more in common than they think. Without culture to consume, society withers and dies and these people are the ones who will make that culture.

t. porky

Still pretentious
Try something like "stupid people unproportionally often think that they are smart"

jump off a bridge, "comrade"

How did this happen comr8?

You sure of that bruv?

I call then semen demons 😏

I dont mind hippies and other liberal people but i consider myself more traditional working class. I work in construction and dress and look like a normal person.

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"Creatives" are neither creative not innovative

No, the girl op posted is just some russian qt

Its shopped

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if all those empty gestures were just to out yourself as an idiot, you could've saved everyone the time and said so at the beginning. Instead you choose to make me read a paragraph of some insecure, overtly self-conscious loser's rant.

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Tell me: why live like this?

I know saying this on Holla Forums will get me called a bunch of buzzwords, but I am unironically one of the types working in graphic design and probably looking to at one point get in the business side of this field, but I don't really mind manual labor people either. I am the only one of those in my entire extended family, as most of my extended family are involved with various traditional jobs too, so I can get along with people unlike me if I have to.

If revolution comes and there is a real threat of getting killed for being a petit bourgeois, I will find one way or another to save my skin. Again, not a threat, just stating a fact. That all being said, I have more than just sympathy for everything left wing. Hell, I even dislike the SJW's.

end of blogpost :)

qt is a qt alright, no matter what nationality, which is a spook anyway

This man gets it and probably has friends irl.

Fuck das a good reply right here

What's up with this girl? Why is /g/ obsessed with her?

I'm sure that's a trap+camwhore, so take a guess.

I don't know, these girls I have posted ITT are just ones saved from cuckchan from back when I was browsing it. Can't too it anymore, Holla Forums has infested the entire 4chan now.

conservative hipsters are more hot.

I get what you're saying, but I disagree with hipsters just being a fashion movement, or perhaps more the implied statement that fashion movements can be unpolitical. The movement is highly consumerist in the weight it puts on buying habits and outward appearances as a form of self expression, and this is similar to a lot of "young creatives", but because of this shared focus on outward appearances, the visual differences become significant.
The bearded hipster becomes a reactionary figure, even when mimicking left wing radicals like Hemingway or Jack London, they end up idealizing a distorted vision of the past, and especially mid century Americas ideals of masculinity and individualism.

user, I…

This is probably the lamest meme ever made.
Just stop, it isn't funny in the least.

Stay in denial
You don't know how to influence others at all

nice spook Holla Forumsyp

see

Good thing I don't care about appealing to others. You can play your sad little games though.

Stop fighting g-guise… ;_;

Art fags will be gulag'd. They produce little to nothing of value for society. In many ways they are like the bourgeois or even worse.

ML morons like yourself will never be in a position of power, or anywhere remotely near one in your lives. Your dumb asses will likely be murdered off before your beautiful vanguard ever takes hold.

Would like to know as well

People like you have probably seen a handful of SJW's, lumbersexuals or tumblr thots and now you suddenly think these people are all there is to creatives. You probably have no idea how to differentiate between people who sport certain fashion styles in light-hearted, somewhat ironic manner, and people to whom appearance is everything.

Besides not knowing absolutely anything about creatives, you yourself with romanticizing 19th century factory workers are not much different from conservatives romanticizing 50's america or alt-righters romanticizing 30's germany.

People like you are cancer to the left wing movement. This guy said it, fuck off.

We live in capitalism, the latter are all that exists.

it's not about people caring about appareances, it's more about if there is anything beyond mere appearance, and some substance to it

I don't know what is with you anarkiddies who have this same Holla Forums-tier understanding of ML.

Literally how? Porky hates creatives because they don't work the factory and make them money. Are you mentally handicapped?

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on the contrary, to understand the present it is necessary to undertake an archeological study of the recent past. Every past has its own unfulfilled promises. 'Pop culture' is the dream of humanity slumbering under the weight of capital. as an upper middle class teenager growing up in the periphery during the late 00s and early 10s, I was into american 'indie' music, pitchfork, shitposting on /mu/ and many other things that seem downright quaint nowadays. blogger Carles.Buzz from hipster runoff was the Mexican Guy Debord, a witness to the hypercommodification of the 'indie' scene and the erasure of the distinction between indie and mainstream. Trends in music criticism can be traced back to the material base and the development of new media (ie. thequietus.com/articles/22389-rockism-poptimism).

We can go even further into the past: bush era, the 90s slacker ethos, the punks, the 60s counterculture and the abortive world revolution of 68-69. here's the CCRU's Mark Fisher and Robin McKay on Cobain (ccru.net/swarm1/1_pomo.htm). The relationship between hipsterdom and the alt right is also worth exploring: you can trace a line from Jim Goad in the 90s to Vice's Gavin McIness and the american apparel guys in the 00s, to Sam Hyde in the 10s.

Porky loves "creatives". The art world in it's current form exists solely for their benefit, money defines the value of art under capitalism, and porky has the money. There is also a reason they call it the music industry.
To quote Jay Z

the other part of your post was way worse.
The reduction of culture to a consumable product, and the idea that society would crumble with out this specialized "creative" class. Are you even serious?

i don't like it but i hate these "middle class" instagram consumerists so fucking much.

ML's are not even leftists but merely people who fetishise, tanks, Lenin, third world guerrillas, and burly industrial workers in socialist realist propaganda statues. Most of them, I imagine are petite bourgeois LARPers obsessed with laying claim to this idea of reified proletarian authenticity, just like Ho, Castro and Lenin himself. The vanguard is not the proletariat, the vanguard claims to represent the true, authentic will of the proletariat while blocking true revolutionary consciousness from emerging. Didn'tthe bolsheviks shoot the sailors at Kronstadt? Didn't Mao repress the Shanghai commune?

as someone who does like fashion and style do you expect that fat cracker to get a fashion sense acording to his tastes and not his environment?

almost everyone dresses for the environment. the dude is trying to make it seem he is frat but he is obviously not. Anyway generalizing based on style is retarded.
if you're trying to say that guy is a hipster no he is not. he is a regular boring dadcore fuck.

FYI there's more art then what plays on the pop radio statipns. Sounds like you've bought into porkys mindset yourself.

Bourgeois is a very specific kind of capitalist though. We have to use the word bourgeois because the bourgeois constantly try to obfuscate the fact that they are rich because of stolen surplus value by coming into the office and working along side proles like Musk.

t. butthurt art student

I know
we all have.

wow this is so true. in my experience these types are easily the most vapid consumerist shills, so much that even conservatives find them toxic.

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holy fuck, this. is it any surprise that the people they try to look like are the white supremacists of yesteryear? the 1950's style dress, the pseuod-masculinity that says "hey dont fuck with me i have a beard!!" while not actually putting in real time in manual labor job… or lifting weights for that matter?

i've always found this incredibly suspect, the way they pine for the days where blacks and whites were 'seperate but equal' and they more or less pretend that shit was grand.

man, i fucking HATE hipsters

Lefting weights is vain porky faggotry. Your body should reflect the real work you do.

No it isn't. Most work nowadays isn't manual labor, as someone pointed out in another thread. Show me 'manual labor' in the US and i'll show you a job with shit pay and conditions that offers to chance for advancement whatsoever. that's the truth.

people in first world countries need exercise because of the way life is structured now.

these hipsters try to look like lumberjacks without doing the work and make aesthetic appeals to the very conservative notions of what is 'masculine' and its fucking nauseating.

if you think being in shape is 'vain porky faggotry' i can only assume you are a fat fuck attempting to make excuses for your lazy fat fuck self.

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This thread reminded me I should read Boltanski's New Spirit of Capitalism".
According to what I have heard, it is about this new trend in capitalism of celebrating creativity and project and self-entrepreneurship so the wage-slaves feel free.

I guess if she's hot and has the personality of a wet napkin.

Literally
So stupid considering wage labor makes all that shit
Comic related as well

nice meme
The thing is that additionally there are many that voluntarily go to places like librul arts schools, which is one of the, if not the biggest bourgeois money laundring scheme out there. They are the best consumers out there, even the ones who didn't work a day in their lifes since they can masterfully consume the money of their parents

It all makes sense now why she panders to Holla Forumsyps.

Name one relevant capitalist who isn't bourgeois

Sounds like a waste of time, you'll probably learn nothing new.

Iphones would not exist outside of capitalism though
There would be unified model phone with no upgrades for years (and that's a good thing)
Also the comic is retarded, the criticism is really valid since owning a smartphone shows that you're a stupid consumerist that feeds porkies who does nothing but slacktivism, also the analogies are all false equivalence.

So what type of phone do you have, user?

the only possible choice for real revolutionaries.
All other phones are bourgeois slacktivism.

so this is the praxis of ML huh? No one here talks about gulaging those who disagree with them, or even shit as benign as artistry other than you raging losers. Everyone knows you fucking faggots are ML's solely for the power trips it gives you, red aesthetic appropriation is about as far as your praxis goes, friend.

Lenin would have called Stalin's ideology an abomination of Marxism, and rightly so.

Anyone can be salvaged. Imo, it's not who you are but who you fight for. If one of these so called "creatives" picked up a rifle to defend the revolution, they fine by me. If they don't fight but still support the revolution, fine by me. Support the counterrevolutionaries? Fuck them.

A button Nokia

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This is a shit little thread btw

Proofs?

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wtf same here
I thought nobody uses Nokia anymore

Nothing particular about hipster culture to any of the numerous subcultures under capitalism

"Hipsters" are a reaction to late-capitalist, both in a cultural and economic sense. Culturally first, because it begins with young people that aren't workers and are even alienated from the wage system; they sense a degradation of life and the weight of the hegemonic capitalist "culture" and they try to find something in contradiction to it, something that is unlike their parents, obscure things they can secretly value without the obscenties of the advertising industry. Of course because all of this happens under capitalism, media and businesses quickly catch on and try to take these organic trends and force them into fashions and forced fads, reduce the cultural / political motives into vacuous statements: the original truthful reaction to capitalist alienation is replaced by the spectacle. This of course brings the subculture gradually into the mainstream to the horror of the originators, who scramble out to seek something else or decide to give up and cash in.

In the economic sense these people, older, feel the oppression of capitalist wage-slavery firsthand or tried to dodge it from the start, and react by attempting their small artsy businesses in some poor neighborhood because that's all they can afford to do without a corporate job, trying to live as much outside the system as they can while being inevitably submerged in it (being urban). They therefore naturally gravitate to libertarian-liberal concepts but also socialistic thoughts (though hard to put in practice in the above conditions). This alters the neighborhood culture and slowly begins to attract more of such people, but eventually the appropriators and pretenders invade in a flash of porky greed trying to profit from everything, destroying the little community with surface cultural consumers, new "sanitized" construction to rent/sell to the cultural consumers at ever-higher prices and "counter-culture" lifestylist idpol products made by big porky. This of course leads to the original inhabitants of the neighborhood being economically crushed and physically displaced along with the original hipsters.

The problem is largely that these people (the genuine ones) haven't read Debord and don't understand how capital takes over *everything*, or perhaps they understand but are powerless to stop it. Their perpetual search for an anti-capitalist existence is doomed to co-optation and failure without the large scale destruction of capitalism itself.

if they have social media, just walk away.

For the most part yes…i believe they can. These type of peopel don't strike me as corrupted.
I do believe for the most part this people could become useful members of society and rehabilitaed through labour. Like working on farms or cleaning and protecting florests. I think that's what they are needing the most…working! they have too much free time.

they look like fucking aliens

i'd clock her in the face tbh

I'm sort of one of these "hipster types."

Just consider that in the coming decades, in America there'll be previously unheard of populations of people (that are college-educated and often come from middle class/bourgeois backgrounds and are thus used to a higher standard of living, more "freedom," and a propensity to lean left even if they end up succdem or whatever) that will be underemployed and have no worth to society beyond their labor.

Basically, in the near future, a big chunk of the US' millennial generation will be these hipster types, who will be aimless and restless, better organized because of the internet, will possess better access to theory because of the internet, will have more context regarding global porky/liberal imperialism, and will just be bitter in general.

That being said, in my opinion the rampant consumerism and media consumption among these types is a huge obstacle.

I don't know if I'm being vague at all

If only they didn't have the attention span that comes with only being familiar with texts that are no more than 140 characters large…

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