I have a story that might be of some interest to you guys. Or maybe it's a trivial blog post but still I think it should be interesting to you. I wont bore you with history too much. Just as much as it is needed for the story. It's about my grand granpa. He was an ethnic Russian, "kulak". Kulaks were one of the fiercest class enemies in Soviet Union, and they were (relatively, comparatively) rich and successful peasants. So they were "bad guy number two", right after the city/industrial "bad guy number one", capitalists. According to bolshevik theory, the rich and successful are all unproductive exploiters…. Anyway, in this village of log houses, my granps had a brick house. This made him a "kulak", and so he was deported into much shittier village, with nothing but clothes on his back. There, he started working very hard, and now in this village of 1 story houses, he built himself a 2 story house. Got declared a "kulak" again, got deported with no tools again. In this third village, he started all over. Here he managed to build himself some sort of a mill. With his efficient mill, one year later he bought a tiny bit of extra land and also few cows. This convicted him of being an extreme kulak, not only did he own a tiny bit more land now, but he also owned extra cows AND complex machinery (mill) A N D he engaged in commercial activities.
Now comes the fun part. He got put into a penal labor colony, off to Siberia, not a shitty village, but extreme wilderness, without any tools or help, with some other "extreme kulaks". Out of sight and out of mind. It was a form of execution, they were sent into a sure death, so there was no supervision. These men built one of the most prosperous villages in the Soviet Union. Soviet Famine was starting everywhere else. Despite all Socialist laws, leftist economy, leftist philosophy, men like my grandpa were prospering while all other socialist villages were eating shoes and each other to survive.
I'll take "things that didn't happen" for 0 dollars. I can't think of bigger historical revisionism than painting capitalism as people building capital from scratch and working hard without exploiting people. Capitalism started with the privatization of the commons, not with people building stuff on their own.
William King
They should have just shot him right away
Alexander Jenkins
And I might as well rant a little bit, to get it off my chest because really I am very alone and struggling against a disease and also work a shitty job, and I read political books in my spare time but have no one to talk with about them.
So the first thing is, I have never met a leftist that wants to actually create any of the wealth, just those who want to redistribute it. On both left and right, too much people who criticize but almost none who create. People who actually donate their skills and time and wealth have my respect obviously, but political people are all bullshitters, never met one that wants to actually do anything, both leftist and right winger ideologs just talk and talk and talk and talk. I started to doubt that politics even have any value. Most productive people I've met were all apolitical.
Second thing: "I am being exploited" bullshit. There's no mathematical formula to decide if you are being exploited or not. Literally everyone on this earth can claim he is exploited. You who are reading this have access to internet, so dont give me that "boo hoo I am starving" bullshit. Therefore while I realize that some people actually do have excuses, I think that this whole excuses-ism (really what 99% of all politics I see in the streets) is extremely counterproductive. Everyone can claim he is exploited. And there's no reliable, results producing way to figure out who is bullshitting.
Another thing: "capitalism is unfair". Let's look at who is complaining about it. It's not medical doctors. Not engineers either. No one with any marketable skills is complaining about it. Everyone complaining about capitalism, is lowest of the low white trash (dey took eur jeeeerbs) and worth for nothing unemployable (f)art students. All fortune 500 companies are consumer electronics people actually want to buy, fast food people actually want to eat, they are led by engineers, problem solvers, not financiers/jews. The complainer group is always full of low Autism Level, unemployable, unskilled, entitled, idpol retards while the normal people have normal lives and dont really care about any of this bullshit.
Basically tl;dr everyone I've ever met submerged in politics/ideologies was extremely unproductive. Im starting to doubt that there is any merit in it. I should probably turn to actually learning useful things and do productive things instead.
Isaiah Moore
you could always kys
Eli Wilson
yep, that's ideology for ya you can commit the worst kinds of evil and you'd still think that you were the good guy just like spanish inquisition
why?
no u xDD
David Martinez
I like how Holla Forums resorts to tumblr-tier tactics (I mean this reads like on of those "almost raped" stories for fuck's sake) to justify its irrational anti-communism. Really makes you think.
Xavier Parker
Because he was obviously beyond any attempt at reform/rehabilitation.
Julian Collins
why was he in need of rehabilitation? what were his crimes?
good thing it is very well documented which side of the berlin wall got jumped in that case, no? from nobel prize winning authors, to illiterate peasants back in the day, you have too many people of too many kinds with this "irrational" anti-communism
Jaxson James
Anti-social behavior in the form of capital accumulation and, as you say, grain hoarding and commodity production.
Cooper Rogers
it fucking owns that your grandpa died lmao
Zachary Murphy
but how is being more productive than others "anti-social"? society benefited from having him around much more than he benefited of having society around, as evident by the fact that majority of the people were desperatly trying to escape the socialist utopia
who are you to say to decide that productive people shouldnt be productive? what gives you the authority to stop productive people from producing and trading with each other?
he was 94 when he died, and he drank fine moonshine snuggled in fur while socialist utopia was canibalizing itself
Grayson Hernandez
That grandpa's name? Albert Einstein.
Wyatt Allen
what a decadent faggot
Joshua Powell
nah he had 7 children and was generally happy with his life, unlike those socialist villagers that ate their children his life just goes to show that wealth comes out of intellect/problem solving ability and labor, not just labor, and that some people are simply put more productive than other people
nice bitcoin advertisement on this board btw
nah, yaromir, i think that's how you say it in latin alphabet
Cooper Lewis
So you're a diseased loner who is also shilling for the system which is forcing him to work the shitty job in the first place on an anonymous image board.
This might be one of the saddest threads I've ever seen on here.
Dominic Parker
There were only like one or two famines in Soviet History and they didn't last very long. What the fuck are you on about?
Mason Howard
eating children fucking rules
Dominic Walker
my great grandfather was 12 feet tall and he built the winter palace by his lonesome and then he ate the aristocrats during the famine. his name was joseph stalin
Brody Peterson
you are right, i should subscribe to "free shit xDD" ideology and ignore that whenever you actually try to do anything productive in this life, you run into operational costs, you realize some things are important, some trivial, you realize you must prioritize things, you realize you have to sow before you reap, you must do x before y, you must have hierarchies in short
google soviet posters reminding its citizenry that eating their own children is wrong
Jace Collins
Good post. You are truly here to have constructive discussion rather than post hot takes characteristic of illiterate morons who criticize without reading anything.
Cooper Cruz
Does shittalking ideologies you don't understand provide some kind of fulfilment to your grim existence?
I'm not a tankie so I don't defend the soviet union, but do you actually believe capitalists build their own factories?
Ayden Powell
Home health aids are paid $11/hr. Consumers are charged over $100/hr for their services. Thus, they are being exploited because some else is making a profit off of their labor. Since if a business loses money it doesn't say in business for long, we can conclude that virtually all wage laborers are currently being exploited, and all will be exploited at some point during their lives.
Blake Butler
except we literally have no evidence of this happening other then the words of some user on a shitposting board?
Easton Butler
Pure idealism also nice sources for your theory
Cooper Torres
Your grandfather should have stopped hoarding grain.
Ian Young
no i dont, i just think that 'evil capitalists' did much more for me than 'nothing to lose but our chains, we are enslaved, we are being exploited, slavery or starvation' crowd with their internet access, lattes, and starbucks coffee, rainbow hair types no, leftypol is a strawman because leftypol has no po box, no physical address, you never meet any of the problem solving types, people you actually meet in real life, the only empirical leftists, meaning you can fucking detect them somehow, are just what i said above
kinda like normal people and faggots, normal people live life, faggots need flags and parades and slogans and flamboyant bullshit, while normal gay people have productive relationships same with politics, flamboyant flag waving types are always unproductive faggots while normal people dont really obsess themselves with that shit but solve problems instead
Cooper Martin
At least try if your going to critique our ideology without reading
Jayden Garcia
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Angel Martin
If a serf eats food grown on his lord's land, thus perpetuating feudalism, is he a hypocrite if he calls for democracy? Are you just so puritanical as to deny people small luxuries, or would you care to explain your point further?
Connor Turner
И как же те сёла называются?
James Adams
can you do anything beside adhom? perhaps, argue? Are you pic related
Blake Adams
My grandfather was a guard at that camp and he told me that he used to get regular bjs from kulaks in exchange for preferential treatment.
Austin Peterson
we are laughing now, but this is literally as believable as op
Jaxon Cox
Someone please screencap this thread. This is hilarious.
Parker Sanchez
guess if you cling to some all-explaining ideology, you cant really have a productive discussion with someone who doesnt have it, cant really have a friendly chat with the inquisition about your heretical beliefs, can you? and if the ideology itself is unproductive, such as labor theory being a cornerstone, you cant really have a productive life either
nazis, muslims, theocratic fascists on the right, and equality ideologs of the left are all deeply unhappy and troubled individuals who cling to their ideology, and while leftists might be primarily motivated by jealousy of the people who are simply put better, they are practically the same as people motivated by superiority complex
well when i say villages, i really mean small communities of 20-30 houses, some are documented by solzhenitsyn. hope nobel prize is credible enough, but obviously they didnt go around advertising or marking themselves on siberian maps too much
Ryder Russell
I think its more depressing to know people like op actually believe this shit
Easton Phillips
lol
Leo Green
What anime is that from?
Christian Cook
I hope you know this is exactly the same as going on Holla Forums and saying "my grandma was sent to Auschwitz and gassed 6 million times with masturbation machines by Hitler himself. how could you possibly be a nazi???"
Elijah Wilson
Where are the proofs billy?
Xavier Ortiz
Especially when you start adhom'ing to form your "point". So are you just going to state things or actually form an argument here? Nice opinion, however we are not inclined to respect it. I just want to liberate the proletariat, but, hay, we can call it whatever
this is the worst thing ever, and it effects so many young people
they pick the smartest muslim children to become ayatolah, people with beards that can recite whole quran, and wonder how come they dont have any nobel prizes, its the crusader imperialists oppressing them with their satellites from hell!!! same with western minorities, they pump their heads that they are the eternal victims who cant be productive so they never even attempt to be productive same with right wing retards who go around chasing ghosts their entire lives same with all trillion flavors of leftists/communists, they are all oppressed and you better believe it! if you disagree you are a priori found guilty and you must die!
so the critics killed all the people who are actually producing things… then what? so you finally kill all the "exploiters" who you never even met and who just do things better than you, then what?
we all know that none of your bullshit utopias will actually happen to you, every revolution is just around the corner, if you actually achieved anything it would be the worst thing in life for you
Dylan Torres
yeah it's so much better to sperg out online about shit that never happened
Nolan Sanders
Listen you goddamn Ukranian motherfucker. If you're not going to post ONE SINGLE ARGUMENT and instead shit up the board like you did last time, why the fuck do you keep posting this?
Elijah Kelly
Capitalism is falling apart. The system isn't rewarding enough young people for their labors so they end up turning to communism. The irony here is that it could easily fix this problem but it won't because muh profits. It's one of those internal contradictions m
David Martin
this is not your blog friend so don't post your shitty opinions
Nathan Hughes
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Joshua Morales
what gives you the authority otherwise?
Wyatt Baker
how about that walking corpse bernie, which calls himself socialist, he goes around shouting that rich people are getting richer and that this is wrong and this is the end of discussion
how do you even know if someone is exploiting someone else? this whole ideology bullshit is just going around in groups blaming other groups, it's insanely contradictory to even define these groups with any intellectual honesty because there are always exceptions everywhere, this shit isnt like math or physics where 1 contradiction = back to the drawing board, when you do ideologies contradictions are just made extremely taboo and you just kill people
Sebastian Davis
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Cooper Harris
You're gonna get banned real soon I bet
Angel Gutierrez
he is clearly a socdem, are you 11? Relation to means of production, please read link in Nothing you have said made any sense at all, and you have not substantiated you egregiously ignorant claims.
Jaxson Lewis
tfw
Gavin Cook
Kulaks were landowners that exploited other peasants to make themselves richer.
Landon Clark
Not going to bother, you will clearly just ignore the post and continue shitposting more. Take your drug-addled hallucinations somewhere else, otherwise убить себя.
Ryan Carter
My grandfather was personally gulag'd by Stalin himself several times after surviving starvation in his home country. What a horrible man he was.
Liam Torres
We know someone is exploiting someone else because profit is being produced. What a fucking retard. Do you really think that you can refute people's entire life's work by shitposting about something you have never even fucking bothered to learn about?
You're sick and stuck working a shitty job and have no time to learn and better yourself. How the fuck is socialism the problem here?
Sebastian Flores
but muh 100,000,000
Ethan Rodriguez
There are only two types of man in this world: those who find a way and those who find an excuse.
If you are the one that finds an excuse instead of finding a way, how can you ever improve? You have an excuse not to improve. You have an excuse to not learn, to be inefficient, unproductive, lazy, useless. Doesnt matter what happens, you will never be happy. Doesnt matter what you are given, its not enough. Doesnt matter what you do, it wasnt real whateverism. You can not grow, you can not learn, you can not advance, you can not achieve anything.
Wew, what a life.
Samuel Diaz
I agree, the way we've found, it is the revolution.
Ethan Clark
Is it just me or are the masses, on average, less intelligent, less pretty, less fit than the people they are complaining about? Morality is a spook, so why is exploitation wrong? How are people who cant compete in the market going to compete in the streets? Why do the weak deserve pity? If the masses arent worthless, why do their coups keep failing? If socialism is the way, why does socialism control 0% of the territory?
Lincoln Phillips
Unironically fucking kill yourself.
Sebastian Thompson
Nobody has said anything about morality yet, but you seem to love strawmanning communists as being opposed on moral grounds. It is, after, self-interest, if you wish. How to compete? Simple, guns and popular war.
Logan Wilson
but people with marketable skills prefer the market
Evan Richardson
If true, a big if, it just sounds like he didn't restrict himself to specialized labor like the peasants he exploited and de facto forces to be specialized or conduct only one form of labor. If someone is allowed the time and resources to learn entire commodity manufacturing processes like cabin building and arigiculture it's no surprise when a bunch of said people get together they can build what sounds like a commune. Your grandfather most likely burned grain or did other things in the interests of the Kulacks, so he's by no means innocent. You grandfather has all these memories of how Stalin persecuted him, but conveniently no memories of all the starvation and viloence the Kulacks perpetuated.
Levi Adams
this whole thread just shows that everyone spouting socialism and equality does it out of jealousy and nothing else nobody gives a shit about the poor or whether they deserved their poverty or not
the left finds everyone rich and successful excellent, none of them care for the poor
Camden Hernandez
I personally believe your story has elements of truth to it. I don't believe your grandfather was able to build a commune with just their own labor and create an economy strong enough to meet all their needs. You said they were free to do what they want right? They weren't somehow free to use peasants again too?
Evan Morris
This
Luis Gutierrez
Is it possible for a man to exist, without exploiting anyone else according to you? How does one does this? How can anyone accomodate you? How can you ever be made happy?
Indulge me and think that I am a hyper mega super genious and I just go on a deserted island, with 0 people, tiny and unmapped, in the middle of nowhere. And build myself a versailles palace there, and live in infinite luxury. All with my own two hands. Am I by some socialist magic again an exploiter???
If I went to fucking Titan or some other place in the solar system with water, all alone, without having anything to do with anyone else, without having any debts, anything, anything at all to do with other people, and lived my life there off this planet, have I still exploited you, yes you personally and you as in any other human? Do I still owe you shit? Do I still have to pay you because of socialist magic? How does this social justice works? What are the equations? Who made you a judge? How is it not that you are exploiting me? How does any of this shit works????
Is it humanely possible, to make you people happy? Can a man exist, without exploiting anyone else???
Wyatt Davis
Well there's Swedes. They let other people walk all over them.
Henry Campbell
I missed that part, care to point it out?
Isaac Parker
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Matthew Ramirez
As someone with experience with construction, yes this is impossible. It's impossible to complete all the research and development needed to make the construction processes to build Versailles. That intellectual property is kept from proles and any proles that attempt to wrestle it away are violently persecuted by the state. Engineering knowledge and other processes are dead labor that Kulacks and other porkies keep for themselves then when they can "magically" be more productive sometimes than proles then they lie and say it was all borne from them. Sure, but it's impossible for a man to be exponentially more wealthier than other men with out exploitation. It's physically impossible to be thousands or millions of times more productive than other men.
Chase Hill
Whow dude the, like, uhhhhhh, what if, like, the socialist magic cant pierce the clouds of titan Like, aren't we all, dude, like dust in the wind bro? seriously, what the fuck was that post
Benjamin Cruz
Don't even bother posting this. Most posters on Holla Forums are delusional teenage tankies who will defend the M-L regimes of the world to the death.
Connor Wood
we are actually majority ancom m8
Nicholas Walker
Citation Needed
Michael Robinson
Ah, Holla Forumsyp HISTORY!!! It is completely unrelated to anything that ever actually happened and entirely based on a choice interpretation of cherry-picked factoids, but rather it contains truth because that is how it manifests in their minds.
William Ortiz
Sorry, I don't actually have it on me, but I remember a poll done last month. Maby another user can be helpful and supply it
Ryan Campbell
stop bullshitting me and answer a question directly: can you people E V E R be happy with how someone else lives his life? can a man E V E R be alone in this life by your kind? are you ever satisfied with anything?
tell me, if someone went on the unmapped 0 population island i just mentioned, and built himself the versailles and lived in supreme luxury, indulge me and spare me the engineering problems, if someone actually did it, without having to deal with anyone else, is he still an exploiter?
i got banned for "unspecified reason" lol i will wear this "unspecified reason" ban as a badge of honor, i didnt spam, i didnt use swear words, i didnt advertise (yall have bitcoin ads on your board, L M A O), i was obviously banned because my ideas were superior and mods dont want to have a discussion I guess
not like i planned to stick around on this board so i dont care, now I will leave, can post my ban "for unspecified reason" as a proof
Chase Sanchez
I guess you could say that it was real in their minds.
Isaiah Garcia
Your impossible scenario that you've created specifically to prove your point does indeed prove your point, just not in the real world. Are you happy now?
Robert Moore
No 1)Because it's pretty much impossible to do that 2)Exploration is a social phenomenon
Easton Ward
kek I meant Exploitation
Xavier Sullivan
so yeah anyway in short you cant make socialists happy you ask them "can a man exist in a way that wont make you complain" and the answer is no no inequality can be explained by inequality of ability, otherwise the whole ideology goes to shit
is the other kid in school running faster than you? well he fucking exploited you and you should murder him, not like you can be a fat fuck and personally responsible for anything, ever, always remember that you were actually exploited, every single time, without a fail, exploitation is an absolute and nothing can ever be explained by inequality of productivity
and so i move on with my life, knowing tha there is another group of people with whom diplomacy is impossible, another group of people to avoid in the future and be better off for it
you lads enjoy your 'just around the corner' utopia never accept any responsibility, never learn, never improve, never grow, remain weak and unproductive, and i am sure it will all work out
also why should everyone receive the same treatment by the government, if not everyone is paying the same tax? dont respond lol, i dont care, i already know, im out
Angel Roberts
Are you okay? Do you want to talk about your youth? Have you read the thread? Okay, bye So user diapered into the night, his asshole bloody, but his spirit strong!
Ian Powell
Feel free to come back when you'll grow out of discussing fairy tales and ignoring everyone's attempts to define exploitation.
Grayson Young
What are dividends?
Do you actually believe this?
Led by isn't the same as owned by.
Your posts make me think you'd rather stroke your ego by engaging with your meme version of the ideas posted here than actually take ten minutes to understand them.
Grayson Williams
sounds good to me
Parker Hall
Bruh if you ate yourself…would you be twice as big or disappear?
Blake Kelly
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Oliver Cooper
Guys, this faggot was lying from the get-go. And on the rare off-chance that he isn't, it would seem being a kulak happens to be a genetic disease. He will get fucking curbstomped during the revolution.
Yeah, I think you're right OP. After reading your post, I think Socialism/Communism/Anarchism is a big waste of time. The only hope is a new generation of people now. You deserve this, and I hope it gets worse so your employers can make more profit. You have an Internet connection, so I have no problem with this happening to you. Yes there is you stupid fucker. This is why you don't deserve nice things. The worker produces the value, the capitalist takes it. The worker gets some back. That's exploitation, call it something else if it flares your hemmorhoids. I was going to respond to the rest of your post, but you're a waste of time.
