DSA Convention: August 3-6

I agree. But I'm also gonna support most groups that actively try to bring Eugene Debs back into conversation.

engaging with the dsa beyond trying to poach its members is dumb

this is the kind of trash that leads the party, and you're not going to get them out except with an all out purge

jacobinmag.com/2017/08/socialist-left-democratic-socialists-america-dsa

Important read. Short too.

They're sadly going to become the face of leftism in America though. The goal of this thread is to watch what happens over the week and figure out their implications for us.

Does the DSA have a decent anti-imperialist agenda?

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There are some drafts that are ok, however the people in charge of the DSA are literal backstabbing imperialists. If the new socialist members can't purge them right now, it's a lost cause.

Well you can't have social democratic gibsmedat without imperialism. This is obvious.

Trots splitting.
Like clockwork.

SOCK DEMS
SOCK DEMOCRATS
SOCKS
ROSA
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I think if you're a populist left wing party in the USA that wants more welfare spending but you don't aggressively oppose US imperialism you're opportunist pieces of shit.

This is the thing that constantly fucks with me. I don't wanna become a turd worldist, but I feel as though leftists in imperialist countries that basically only want to redistribute the money their corporations make from exploiting the third world are inherently reactionary.

maoism is the way, brother

By Maoism, do you mean Maoism-Third Worldism? I thought there were a bunch of Maoists who hate third worldism?

You can appreciate the contributions of Third Worldist analysis without being a dogmatic idiot that actively discourages First World workers from doing shit like the Roo

I've listened to some of the Roo's debates and I agree with parts of his third worldist stances, but third worldists as a group of people seem to embody all the worst traits of the radical left. So yeah I feel ya.

Skimming through their list of resolutions I only saw one that was directly related to imperialism and that was the one supporting BDS (actually there was another that was just some wishy washy bullshit about how BDS is 'contentious' and people need to be educated before endorsing it). Do you know of anything else? Supporting BDS is good but by itself it isn't much.

There's one that proposes founding an official political party which would (hopefully) rid the DSA of its cancerous relationship with the Democrats for good.

I'm going to admit that Third Worldist orgas are creepy as fuck and come over as sects or drug trafficking schemes. That doesn't make some of the theory wrong imo. "Settlers" is pretty IdPol-ish but economic extraction to buy off workers in the first world is real as fuck, and I don't understand why so many leftcoms pretend that this doesn't matter.

Marx didn't write about it so it doesn't real

Fuck all of you Holla Forums is fucking dead jesus fucking christ Bernie Sanders destroyed this board

It's not so much about allying than trying to convince members to go more left and drop socdem.
They're also undeniably going to affect how the public views /leftys/, it's best if we try to figure out what direction they're going in and how they can be used to promote actual socialism.

Bump. Have they purged the imperialists yet?

We have a delegate going to the convention from my local group and it frankly only dawned on me a week ago that we've had zero discussion whatsoever about what views he's actually going to be representing there and the shit he might be voting on. Big mistake.

Retard. You probably sent a Nazbol.

twitter.com/BoulderDSA/status/880900352140341248

Went swimming through some DSA accounts, a lot of them are actually talking about DemCon and Bookchinite thought. Is the DSA actually going all in?

better a NazBol than an idpoling lib

Dogmatic Marxists who can't see the historical evolution of imperialist capitalism.

Third-worldists do have a point, but also not one isolated to the observations of third-worldists. I think you shouldn't alienate first world workers by making them feel like they are the enemy of socialism, and that they should feel guilty about even trying to get power of their governments instead of sending all of their money to weird, quasi reactionary left-wing groups in the third world.

So liberalism?

dsa is multi-tendency and the masses of membership basically started trying to purge people when old guards started trashing assad and marxism-leninism

If the Momentum groups get a good amount of seats on NPC, expect more true leftists and an outright purge of SocDem old guard shits. Right now, the "feels>reals" slate of Praxis has a lot of support. Praxis's only GOOD contribution has been a flimsy abolish the prisons stance. Meanwhile Momentum is Marxists, the remainder of the old left caucus, and some trots. Momentum is pushing hard for mass labor involvement and an actual plan for the organization as a whole. (Praxis just literally wants "pursue your own politics!")

Praxis wins, we all lose.

The Atlantic pretty much summarized it.
DSA is a Democratic Party front group.
youtube.com/watch?v=O7zZPqar34w

Praxis will win, Corey Booker will be endorsed in 2020.

Nah, CPUSA is the dems front group. DSA is too decentralized for controlled opposition.

SAlt has the same praxis as DSA while claiming to be independent. They are a Leninist cult, so maybe they would make a better front group.

Hi, non burger here. How exactly does the DSA function? What are Momentum and Praxis? And what will go down in this convention?

I think SAlt is just opportunist to a fault, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone is trying to make them controlled opposition with how awful some of their chapters are. It amazes me looking at how much Trots vary between SAlt and the SEP.

Not the same user, but from what I gather, DSA is a chapter-based organization that pushes support, so far, for local candidates and left policy (big one being Single Payer). They're currently not an actual political party, recognizing that trying to run for national election is pretty useless. The Momentum, stolen from the Labour Party, is putting a focus on both getting members to join the ranks of the working class, while trying to garner more working class support (thus the focus on the local/community organization.)

Because it's not quite centralized, each chapter seems to vary a bit in terms of radicalism. For example, the Anchorage chapter (which probably only has like 10 members desu) is full of Trots while bigger cities' chapters, like Portland, are full of Socdems.

They've adopted a platform of so-called "Non-Reformist Reforms"– supporting leftist candidates and policy to pass reforms to make people's lives better, but not for the sake of reforming the system as a whole, rather as a means of making people more open to the idea of Socialism. Whether or not that's total bullshit I'll leave up to you.

Praxis I don't know much about, it looks like they're trying to run for NPC.
dsapraxis.org

This convention, I think, is about making amendments to the constitution, electing new heads, and passing resolutions in the organization line. There are also a lot of workshops and lectures at the convention.

Agreed. But I still think Momentum will win.

Momentum and Praxis are electoral slates.

Since when is The Atlantic worth listening too. Shut the fuck up with your baseless slander.

DSA livestreams/footage

dsausa.org/live

Apparently the Rosa Luxemburg foundation is at the conference

Momentum: Jacobin-style soft socialists, technically anticapitalist but very reformist. Their main focus is on praxis, not theory, hoping to build a mass movement of organized workers to push for better minimum wage, no more foreign wars, and single payer.

Left Caucus: Marxists who just want to bring DSA to the left, abolish rules that prohibit democratic centralists from joining, and expunge old liberals from party ranks.

Unity: Liberals who want to work with Democrats. Harringtonite holdovers from pre-2010 DSA.

Praxis is Libertarian-Socialist.

are they the same as the Left Caucus?

there's no DSA chapter in my city so I get this all from twitter

No, they're not. They actually have a decent platform, despite the hate in this thread.

dsapraxis.org/
https:[email protected]/* */[email protected]/* */e75

Left Caucus is not running for anything. It's a group within DSA that has been around since Occupy. They are basically the Marxists fighting the Old Guard. I think they are mostly/solely made up of people under 40 years old.

the Old Guard is on its way out yeah?

I thought the DSA LSC was the lib-soc?

old "left" fighting the old dsa guard… yawn

this shit way too complicated. All these groups smh.

Part of the point of the convention is to sort all of this out

lmao, further proof the DSA is a dead end.

cancer

Convention starts today boys, fingers crossed for the Marxists.

DSA convention organizing committee should've sent out a brief on how to handle these things. But, really, this is on you.

They're not entryists and they're centralist, so how is that identical to DSA?

That makes SA sound cooler than it is.

Unless ofc it makes it more complicated and the DSA splits into like 5 parties

Momentum is Left Caucus and they are fully anti-capitalist and not reformist.

Unity fucking sucks.

Since this thread will probably last a while. Let me clear things up:

There are no recognized caucuses in the DSA, only informal ones. The only real one that's existed before the DSA boom was the Left Caucus. Some slates (like Momentum) are proposing official recognition of specific tendencies and caucuses in the DSA.

There are two main slates running for DSA's National Political Committee (NPC) which is 16 members.

Momentum: Lots of Jacobin editors. All candidates are members of the Left Caucus and self identified Marxists. They were the front runners and automatically the ones to beat. Holla Forums isn't a monolith but IMO they should be Holla Forums's #1 choice.

Twitter: twitter.com/dsa_momentum?lang=en

Website: dsamomentum.org

Praxis: Gaining a lot of attention for their support of police abolition and prison abolition. They have a Jacobin editor (R.L Stephens) who is sort of taking a strong lead here. He is an anti-intersectional marxist, but the slate avoids large political questions (like the Democratic Party) and focuses a LOT on DSA making a big impact but not necessarily on any party discipline.

Platform: dsapraxis.org

It's hard to say if one is more to the left than the other. My vote would be for Momentum. It's possible neither slate gets all their members on, though. Either way, the NPC is going to the Left after this convention.

There is also the DSA Unity through diversity program. It isn't a slate, but it is just a proposal to make DSA more diverse, even at the expense of more liberalism and colluding with the Democratic party.

dsaunity.org

The architect of this statement, a longtime DSA member and gay rights activist is also running for NPC on no slate.

riddiough.org/NPC/

The Spring Platform is also similar to DSA unity through diversity. It is a proposal, not an NPC slate.

dsaspringplatform.org

Finally, there are several lone people running for NPC. One of the most prominent is Joseph Schwartz. He is a serious lefty but is ok with using the Dem ballot line to further socialism. He has a lot of influence in the org. He is running for re-election here. Both DSA praxis and Momentum have endorsed his run.

Full list of people running for NPC can be found here: dsaconvention.org/npc/

Live stream can be found here: dsausa.org/live

What should be required reading before this convention:
jacobinmag.com/2017/08/socialist-left-democratic-socialists-america-dsa

If you have any other DSA questions ask and I will answer.

what about DSA LibSocs dsa-lsc.org/ ?

also, nice reddit spacing :^)

I don't even know what Reddit spacing is you asshole.

I'm disappointed by the lack of live feeds.

But Jacobin is an imperialist rag. I guess this really is hopeless.

The Old Guard was relevant before DSA's growth because a lot of them are due paying members but only small fraction were active on the streets. They are mostly elderly, from the beginning of DSA in the 70s/80s.

The Left Caucus is the traditional name of the Marxist/Communist side of DSA. They began to be a legitimate force within the organization around 2013.

The Libertarian Socialist Caucus is a new caucus made up of nearly solely new members from the recent surge.

We will see who DSA develops within the upcoming year, and how many liberals who don't participate actively within DSA since they joined in November will renew their membership in the upcoming year.

Live fb feed facebook.com/hardlensmedia/videos/1721755724786339/

from momentums twitter.

stfu and join my irrelevant organization instead

Fuck off bitch. You should all just join my united front I founded last week.

It's all talk if they keep collaborating with Bhaskar Sunkara.

going to post another 10 year old tweet to prove your point?

Only hyper-online MLs who think the internet think there's a serious problem with him. Sorry he doesn't perfectly curate his social media to fit into the online protracted people's war.

*who think the internet is the same as irl. oops.

has anything interesting happened yet?

He's a cop lover, he's pro-Al Qaeda, and he thinks there's no such thing as a good ML. He's anti-communist.

All of those are hyperbole bordering on lies. They also are derive from twitter.

Fuck you, socdem. Put on your fucking rose so we can ignore your shit opinions.

There was a bit of minor drama over dues and they wanted to pass the harassment policy with unanimous approval and someone cockblocked it.

Some controversial votes tomorrow, like BDS.

… boi

I try to be anti-sectarian, but that only applies to people who are leftists. It's really telling how I see people on left twitter who will get into little fights over piddling sectarian bullshit but who will attend this event which is put on by and for liberals playing pretend.

I'm not a socdem. And what you said about Sunkara is all hastily put together lies to confirm what you already think about him.

like you are just making this shit up based on stupid assumptions. which is worse than real principled sectarianism

Bump for Day 2

That's true though

DSA just passed a motion supporting BDS: they may now become an illegal organisation soon.

good. They were just a Democratic Party frontgroup anyway.
Time to let PSL lead the left.

I'm assuming this is a shitpost but does PSL not endorse BDS?

Someone post the DSA tweet where they said they were against Communism

Pretty sure unity doesn't have a NPC slate

Really happy that they endorsed BDS.

This is a really good sign that they wont completely fall into liberalism.

DSA is all about identity politics.

Next they'll start supporting Rojava and organizing Esperanto lessons in their local chapters.

Vox just posted an article on DSA and it's somehow really good.

vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/5/15930786/dsa-socialists-convention-national

Archive link, because who wants to give Vox ad revenue of all places archive.is/g6ecl

Also, it's not good. It winds up by heavily drawing together both Chapo Trap House and DSA, which is not fair at all.

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A liberal newspaper trying to justify its own liberal policies while making fun of goals like dismantling the police state.
In other words, it's just a feel-good piece. DSA is controlled opposition.

I don't see the problem

Besides the conflation with the "dirtbag left" and Chapo, which tbh I don't think anyone who isn't on twitter will understand. It's accurate. They are honest about DSA's history and goals.

why does dsa have resolutions supporting bds but no resolutions supporting the dismantling of the us empire? opposing another nation's imperialism is easy, but opposing your own nation's imperialism is what really matters

I feel like that goes without saying so they probably never thought of doing that. Not like a resolution will do anything to the US.

lol did you read ANY of the resolutions.

does it tho? imperialism has always been a major weakness of the harringtonite leadership faction in the dsa, and of associated politicians like bernie sanders
well sure but a resolution supporting bds from a relatively small (by international standards) socialist org doesn't have much concrete effect either

i skimmed the list. if i'm wrong please show me.

DSA was founded by anti-war activists and they have a consistent history of being anti-imperialist.

Resolution 10 states specifically that they want to build a party that is anti-war and anti-imperialist. It won't pass, but that's not because of being anti-war or anti-imperialism.

More:

dsausa.org/dsa_condemns_the_bombing_of_afghanistan
dsausa.org/democratic_socialists_of_america_condemns_the_u_s_bombing_of_syria
dsausa.org/pentagon_cries_poverty_as_trump_marches_to_war_dl
dsausa.org/a_memorial_day_observance_the_destruction_that_is_war_dl

Any other anons here?

I like talking to the hot trot outside.

What caucus meeting should I go to? Should I represent Holla Forums?

You should ask your local group.

Teacher

Live thread on reddit for anyone interested

reddit.com/live/zdk33kffp2xj/

I'm not DSA and there is no local in my area.

Closest are Chicago but I don't know any of them.

Live link is back up

facebook.com/hardlensmedia/videos/1722179558077289/

This entire thread reminds me why I hate all you faggots, you shit on anything, you don't bother to try to fix anything, you don't bother to infiltrate, enhance, improve, or purge anything liberal or reactionary, you just sit here and shit on everything. Nearly every single one of you just sit here and shitposts and doesn't contribute positively to anything. I'm not saying the DSA or any organization is the best solution, I'm not saying some of these causes are worthy, but people are fucking trying. Right now the left is having the greatest resurgence in 50 years, and most of you assholes are completely discounting it despite the fact that liberals are ripe for recruiting with just some minor fucking effort. Yet everyone at the DSA personally killed Rosa, despite the fact that most people are under fucking 30 and probably never even heard of her for fuck sake, and that's in part because faggots like yourselves
never bother to actually teach people shit in a meaningful way other than "read FUCK HUGE BOOK then get back to me". Holla Forums wins the propaganda war way too fucking much because they know how to talk to ignorant people and cut down a message into easily repeatable chunks, they have no issues sprewing their shit onto liberals even because they know the worst that can happen is they get told to fuck off, the best that can happen is they get someone interested. If people keep pretending that we can just sit around while one of the best opportunities for the left just passes the fuck by, we will get stuck back into reactionary hell for another few decades, assuming automation doesn't save us first.

Despite your supposedly divergent ideologies, in your hearts through your (in)actions, you all act like edgy leftcoms.

Lol I'm here homie.

typical DSA shill.
We refuse to promote a Democratic Party front. Simple as that.

first, fuck you, corporations aren't technology, second, don't change the subject

says the trot, thanks for proving my point faggot

The trots are SAlty. hyuk hyuk hyuk

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Its a result of the inherently contrarian and elitist nature of chan culture. Its why we now have so many Leftcoms and Ultras.

happening now

Anyone have a link to all of the resolutions? Reddit live is hard to follow when they don't say what the resolutions are.

docs.google.com/document/d/1Ele_XrSBWdTygDxlY2ghd0CZwtRpmlT1Pqjfls9RbX4/edit

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Nice memeflag

Dan LaBotz out here killing it

Less known but DSA has formally endorsed colonial and generational reparations on the national level during this conference. I'm mostly against it but I'm happy it will BTFO dems and liberals pushing the Bernie Bro narrative.

Resolution 20 passes without ammendments

Open bar

DSA votes to totally leave the SI by a near unanimous vote.

Why is this a good thing? Dont know anything about the SI and im just curious.

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It's composed of mostly centrist parties

Makes them associated with some parties that are highly authoritarian or not at all left. They also have to pay dues in exchange for almost nothing in return (even though SI dues are under 1% of DSA's yearly budget).

Leaving means they can do internationalism on their own. Connecting with PODEMOS, Die Linke, Momentum in the Labour Party, etc. etc.

Also the resolution includes the creation of a commission to renew DSA's internationalism.

I believe the ultimate goal is to create a new internationale without neoliberal, centre-left and authoritarian parties.

Ofc I'll be at the open bar, going to the jacobins/inthesetimes party downtown afterwards.

Lucky fucker

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Lucky fuckers are the 50 or so people who got tickets to the street fight/Chapo show.

Resolution 41 to support sanctuary cities against ICE's anti-immigrant activities also passes.

DSA about to vote on a new commission/caucus to renew DSA's involvement in the labor movement.

Passed

All the political resolutions are done. The rest are all organizational.

They're done with voting on resolutions and are they'll be voting on constitutional amendments after a short break.

The amendments docs.google.com/document/d/1GYTNbrPmEgXfV_SuEAQiwqUmRiMvblhDiTu87l_oz7Y/edit?ts=596d1376

Has any motion failed yet lol

There have been but I think they were either not significant or they never were going to pass.

Yes, actually. A resolution to give more support to educational activities failed yesterday.

Go to the gaming caucus.

Momentum is just a grouping of Labour supporters not a party

What just happened in a nutshell.

You know what I mean tho. The neo-left parties, orgs, and movements might form a Internationale.

Voting got boring. Going to go get high in the parking lot.

Wonderful

SOCDEMS BTFO

When they came back after the bds vote and the "free Palestine" chant the chair had to remind us to be quiet because some people felt "physically threatened".

fuggin Zionists

One was wondering how many new DSA were Hamas on Twitter.

DSA definitely has infiltrators. I hope none of them get elected into the NPC.

Fug. I missed it when the anti Dem argument was being put forward.

it failed.

Entered the room at the vote. V disappointing.

They are trying to remove the national march from the single payer plank.

Hope it passes.

The chair just made an antiparliamentarian joke.

Was it at all close?

Yes, they had to a hand count.

Yes. Like 40 votes. The table right in front of me was arguing with the marshals over how many votes their table had.

They are taking the vote counters out again.

We might not get any self organized time. Npc vote is later tonight.

It sounds like this whole process would be easier with an electronic vote on resolutions

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hmmm it makes you ponder…

We just had a speaker that trashed single payer for enshrining the profit motive.

Most of the room was applauding silently (jazz hands) when she said we should nationalize healthcare including pharmaceutical companies.

It was out of order bjt they just voted to suspend the rules.

They are changing the wording from "why single payer is the best vision for healthcare", to "the profit motive needs to be entirely removed from the system" (paraphrased)

Basically they are saying that we need to decommodify instead of universalize.

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We did it.

Socialized medicine. NOT SINGLE PAYER

When does NPC voting begin?

6:25. I'll live post when the vote begins. Checking out the libertarian socialist caucus during the break.

G O R I L L A
M I N D S E T

How does it do that exactly?

Think these kinds of vague platform planks are never a good idea for any party or organization. What draws people in are concrete plans of action with clear goals.

mounting evidence for the theory that we are living in a simulation

More importantly, if you leave room for interpretation then you also leave room for misinterpretation.

is there a livestream or something?

I actually thought it was a fake screencap but it seems he deleted it. I found another screencap with a reply included, and the reply is legit and still there if you look at the guy's profile.

With single payer the healthcare system is still private, everyone just has government health insurance. With socialised medicine it's all operated by the government

There's a lot of idealism going on in the convention but socialized healthcare is a thing that exists and that they can point to

"Socialized healthcare" is fucking meaningless platitude that works to conflate social democracy with socialism.

There was. They will be back for the NPC votes.

By giving money to private hospitals.

"Socialised Healthcare" means like NHS in the UK hospitals will operate without profit motive.

Fam, I literally explained why the vote was meaningful two posts above you
Don't be so rude

so, DSA skeptics BTFO?

If a national healthcare system like the UK is what they want then they should just say it. This kind of vague language is terrible for a platform, especially for an organization already struggling to fight the influence of a large faction of confused liberal social democrats.

LSC is lit

According to wikipedia, the term has been used that way in America since the early 1900's. It's probably the least vague term they could use. If it ruffles your feathers, blame Americans

Hot Take: Libertarian Socialism is the only way socialism of any kind is going to be accepted in the US.

SAlty trots please leave. DSA sweeties only pls.

Also, popularizing it will underminde the legitimacy of the """"libertarian"""" movement.

I will say that this is the most autistic caucus meeting.

becasue it the only legitimate form of socialism to begin with

You know what time it is

People are piling in for the npc vote candidates are being out forward.

Explaining the rules for voting. It is being done electronically through paper ballots with ranked choice(I think)

NPC voting has started.

Live link facebook.com/hardlensmedia/videos/1722298008065444/

The Praxis folk sure are trying to isolate DSA.

Voting will be open for an hour. And they'll announce the results tomorrow morning.

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what's the difference again?

I'm super suspicious about online voting, especially with some very controversial votes like BDS being taken. It's just 600 votes. They should've used paper ballots.

trying to sow dissent? nice try FBI

Just saying that you have to be careful about these things.

true but from the beginning, it was clear that a vast majority of DSAers were pro-BDS.

But I guess I agree that for the future, they should no longer do online voting, at least with the current technology.

Not that guy, but I agree that I'm kind of suspicious of online voting.

I'm not at all suspicious about the BDS vote outcome specifically, though.

CPUSA is the FBI's voluntary watchlist signup.

DSA is about as close to actually /ourguy/ as we're going to get in America at this point. Good to see them go more left.

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CPUSA was filled with spies because of the clear-cut soviet tie.
DSA was a marginal irrelevant group for decades. It is now the largest socialist organization in the United States and is getting national attention. It's in their interest to get infiltrators into power (and ingrained into the new local chapters). Who knows, maybe form their own chapters.

LSC twitter @dsa_lsc

social imperialist trash, fuck off

Nice meme.

This Proud Boy seems a little upset over the DSA endorsing BDS…

What's wrong with the people in the first pic? Is it photoshopped?

Being passed out at the convention…

has the dsa disavowed the democratic party yet

they're worthless until they do

Do any of these platform/leadership slates mention ballot reform as a goal at all? If the DSA ever wants to meaningfully support other parties or even become one, it has to work to defeat Duverger's law first.

Can someone give me a quick rundown on the DSA and Praxis? What is this shit?

Momentum and DSA are to slates running for NPC.

Momentum=Leftists, Luxemburgists
Praxis = SocDem, Reformists

It's in their long strategy doc. dsausa.org/resistance_rising_socialist_strategy_in_the_age_of_political_revolution

They don't want to be the Green Party. They want to build enough independent power first.

I'm not seeing Duverger's law or alternative voting systems mentions anywhere in that.

it's a democrat reform group, they don't want to do anything that might hurt the dems

That's because the author is in NYC DSA, where Chapo has an outsized influence as Brooklyn is their home base.

Let that sink in. A Vox writer, a species that should be wiped from the face of the earth, is in DSA, a supposedly socialist organization.

Praxis is strange. They actually have denounced referencing the "Scandinavian model" (pre financialization and neoliberalism) b/c racist and insufficient. They critique the fact it still has police and racists like Brevik.

Momentum is truly for the abolition of capitalism but they don't think its bad to use Left Social Democracy as a point to engage people in the class struggle: basically to use that framework as our "transitional demands". They think it's more tangible than focusing so much on abstractions of socialism like abolition of police and prisons.

At the same time, DSA Praxis hasn't even answered the question of the Democratic Party, party discipline, etc. meaning they are basically okay with it. It's really confusing.

My vote would be for Momentum b/c they are more of orthodox marxists and will push DSA towards some form of democratic centralism/accountability.

Why are you ignoring the nuance of the situation?

why does it seem like brooklyn is the source of all the cancer in the american left

Alternative voting systems are further down the line for DSA. It's a mostly apolitical demand to work on, and it takes huge amounts of tedious work. They will use Green, Dem, or Independent in elections. First comes building independent working class power, electoral reform will come when they are big/powerful enough to be a normal (electoral) party.

I agree, they won't play spoiler yet. But they don't need to considering their influence in states where a Dem primaries are the same as a general election.

democratic centralism is the opposite of accountability.

They should be pushing for a voting system that neutralizes the so-called spoiler effect.

I think I can actually hear you outside my window whining. Holy fuck.

Also, democratic centralism is the gateway to authoritarianism and the cancer that killed USSR.

or maybe they should just give up on electoralism because it's a doomed strategy in the united states

It's literally a single, young writer from Vox who reports on this. It's not like their editorial board or founders are at all sympathetic to socialism.

I agree with Zizek. Fuck cynicism and calls to not participate in mainstream platforms. If the media powers that be give socialists the time of day, even in a patronizing way, let them. It will be their undoing. We will hang the capitalists with the rope they sell us.l

or maybe the left should utilize a multitude of tactics???

It's a coastal problem.
In the West Coast, we have to deal with SJWs obsessed with retarded stuff. I've seen a guy tweet about Asian potrayal being an issue socialism will fix. A girl was supportive of Esperanto and Spanish as bridge languages, both languages. The big elephant in the room for the West Coast is that they are obsessed with immigrant issues, LGBTQ idpol garbage, and BLM. They are Pussy Hat liberals who like red.

Marxists are sometimes invited on Fox News in order to be ridiculed. I feel that Vox article was condescending.

But it's an uphill fight that doesn't build any independent working-class power. It's about the same as the Green Party strategy. If elections help DSA in some cases, good. But there's more important stuff to focus on that actually builds the Left before elections.

This is good: dsamomentum.org/platform#electoral

DSA candidates who get elected under a Dem ballot line need to be accountable to poor/working people and DSA itself. It needs to be some level of "diversity in discussion, unity in action". When DSA democratically decides something, their elected officials need to listen or else not be in the organization/representing DSA. This is what SAlt and every other Socialist org does.

I agree. I don't think it's indicative of DSA's supposed liberalism.

Proposal that narrowly got struck down today.

i knew they were fucking hopeless

My guess is the only reason it narrowly lost is because it would be harder to get behind/associate with everything Bernie is doing.

Democratic Centralism is literally the only way to have a party line. I can understand if there are those who don't want DSA to become a party, but to suggest you could do so without adopting the principles of democratically enforced party discipline is absurd.

well bernie's pretty hopeless too tbh

It's literally(lol) not, I live in Brooklyn and half of DSA are smug upper middle class writers and professionals.

'no'

So what is another model you would suggest?

I agree with the latter half of what you said but it doesn't address my point,

You just described the modern American left. Congratulations.

Monthly dues also passed in DSA last night. But poor people can stick to annual rates. This will probably double or triple DSA's budget.

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great that will mean more campaign contributions for the democrats

or to do Democrats who want more police and syrian wars because of socialism.

They're openly talking about the formation of a new Internationale at the banquet.

based

How many of you guys are actually on the ground at the convention?

Two I think. I'm not. I'm just Extremely Online™.

How do they not pretend it doesn't matter? They are fierce advocates of an international proletarian revolution.

mobile.twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/894043834237300736

Tfw passing dime after dime at the jacobins/inthesetimes party

Hahaha. I left right when they were sending people around to collect cash.

fresh oc
who cumboy here

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Leftist women are hot as hell homie.

You should see it in person. Gddamn the yds chicks esp.

were you not expecting this?
also why the hell are you posting here when you're with a bunch of leftist qts?

is this you?

wow im so happy they are milking these middle class ppl dry

Am SAlt, can confirm. Although technically Kshama could switch sides and become a dem any time she wanted, her entire power base is in the party, and we only run candidates that believe in our mission and politics.

Praxis seems much more organised then Momentum. Also, a bunch of caucuses endorsed them today. Is Momentum responding to this?

Yes.

I'm not the only one. (also I'm here with my gf)

twitter.com/DSACincy/status/894059492811448322

Discourse Collective vs Chapo Trap House

Daily reminder that anyone who isn't excited about a Leftist org gaining traction, momentum, and numbers is either A.) an ultraleft dipshit who wants Leftism to be an exclusive club with no normies allowed, B.) an edgy 12 year old who thinks anything less then armed struggle is pointless, or C.) literally a cop

What a couple of cuties.

I should also be very clear here. I am specifically refering to ultraleft tankies and "anti-revisionists", who's main gripes with the DSA can to be summed with either complete intellectual dishonesty, by claiming that the entire org is represented by the Harringtonite old guard, while pretending that there isn't an enormous and exciting swing to the Left taking place, or they literally just shit on them for not constantly talking about Stalin and Mao and other weird alienating tankie shit, while never quite explaining how the goals of an ML party would be different then most of the shit DSA is pushing for.

Bernie is like 80. He's not going to last much longer and has no successor.

Tulsi

Last bump for last day

STFU COINTELPRO.. go sabotage Holla Forums or something instead

slept in, leaving for the convention soon

PSL is the only true leftist organization worth supporting.

Prove to me the DSA are actually leftists and aren't an FBI front like the Democrats

lets face it.. its probably C)

specifically the FBI..

specifically COINTELPRO..

just remember kids.. whenever u see someone being an ultra or idpol call-out-fag or whatever.. just say "Fuck Off COINTELPRO" repeatedly tell they go away.

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They are taking over local leadership and will push feminism and gay rights instead of marxism and labor struggle.

theres literally nothing to push for in terms of gay rights and feminism, just here to build socialism guys.

/r/soc didn't have a single post about DSA's convention so throughout the weekend. lmao

Fuck off COINTELPRO

You want ballot lottery?

they're just a bunch of SJWs larping as leftists. no surprise there.

Useful thread for Libertarian socialists and anarchists

mobile.twitter.com/deathpigeon/status/894085738278551552

would join if my local branch wasn't a butch if liberal hipsters who host meetings in the bourgie side of town

No, approval or score voting. Lottery is surely a bit better than our current system though.

Speaking of voting, what system did DSA just use to vote on stuff at their convention? What is just more plurality voting or are they actually a progressive organization?

Depends, resolutions and amendments I believe just need a simple majority, constitutional changes need 2/3rds, and the NPC is chosen by ranked choice.

Live stream for NPC results

facebook.com/demsocialists/videos/1360682497363896/

That's pretty shitty, I'm disappointed in them.

Non-playable character?

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The consensus forming/voting at Occupy was what destroyed them. There is recorded evidence that FBI sent in people to destroy the process through obstruction. Majoritarian voting is good.

Elected to the NPC.

who won?

Same as IRV?

You mean (identity)Politics for Students and Liberals? Yeah I've met a bunch of your angry black women shouting about reparations. Join Salt homie, we brocialist now.

I see both Momentum and Praxis people.

That poster isn't talking about consensus, but different single-winner election methods like range voting

Lol how do you use that for a simple yes/no vote for a resolution?

I mean I hope that.

I count 5 from momentum, 5 from praxis

lmao

You don't. But how does it happen that you get a simple yes-no question? Is that really inherent to many issues, or is it rather the case that it is hashed out before in some way, so that you end up with a simple binary question? With something like range voting, you can simultaneously vote on different proposals about how to deal with an issue, to select one in the end.

Bowe, Gong, Hoffman, Mahony, Maisano, and Midiri are all Momentum. Almost all of the slate made it.

Fun fact for you lot: Labour isn't actually a full member of the SI anymore, it was considered too centrist under blair to be a full member anymore (ironic I know). SO yeah, DSA-Labour-Podemos-Die Linke-France Insoumise 0th International is possible.

Good. This makes me moist.

At least it will have much better names than the previous internationales. Communist party of this, communist party of that, so dull.

All proposals are crafted beforehand by the chapters and then presented to the convention. Chapters locally use both formal and informal methods to develop said proposals, they are then submitted to the national org with a certain number of sponsors.

Changes to the proposals were added as amendments at the convention itself. An infinite number could potentially be made, many amendments were made that contradicted the original proposals.

RED SQUAD:
LABOUR
DSA
US UNITED
T H E L E F T
FRANCE UNCUCKED

Care to actually make an argument as to why? Any time I've ever seen someone from PSL or WWP speak all it ever seems to be is either a bunch of outdated 60's idpol, literally faggots talking about Aztlán and black separatism, or they basically just say that Communism= nationalizing the economy. MLs are a joke, literally just edgy SucDems who like tanks.

whenever I hear the word moist I think of a very soggy piece of cake I had at a mexican hotel

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oh gawd my sides

Btw France Uncucked or Uncuckable France is actually an accurate (if artistic) Translation of La France Insoumise.

So what is the verdict on this convention?
Seems to me they went more to the left. Also, did they really talk about forming a new Internationale?

with all those speakers from the other parties, I have to imagine there was some talk back stage.

So the left wing now has 2/3 of NPC. What does this mean? Will they stop cucking for Dems?

Even Praxis is to the left of the old NPC in my opinion. This is really good news. The one from Friends and Comrades is ok with Dems/part of the old guard but whatever.

Who are Friends and Comrades? Not familiar with this faction, can someone better versed in all this explain?

medium.com/dsa-friends-and-comrades/introducing-dsa-friends-and-comrades-2ce41530bb70

liberalism. but not the worst.

delebalogunfornpc.wordpress.com

Do they use block voting (elect k people, you can mark up to k people as approved, people with most marks elected)?

Won't the gaming caucus be full of gamergate garbage?

I think it was ranked choice.

Someone should label who came from what slate. I'm too lazy. Everyone is new to the NPC but Schwartz and Riddiough, who are both lefty enough. I don't mind because at least they give some organizational continuity.

This is unconfirmed but from twitter I hear 6/8 of Momentum's candidates made it on. 5/7 from Praxis made it on. And another 5 without a slate.

Maisano has been a member for many years and very active both on the ground and in writing.
He is probably my favorite person on the NPC.

But I am wary of these new SJW-looking Bernie babes. I hope their politics are not all about gay feminism and protecting black trans rights to murder brown people broad.

we'd fit right in then

Pick your waifu
I call dibs on Ella

Ravi is mine!

I second that.

look at that fucking nerd in the bottom left, like he came out of a cartoon

Hell yes, R.L. Stephens is the hero the Left needs.

Fuck you niggas, I got dibs on Christine!

Just read the platforms. It's not at all liberal, more to the left than they are now.

Christine has time on her side. She knows what to do and will rock your world

Wait is Chris Maisano actually Colbert?

fuck off Maisano is a god

lel, I mean she does look like she can give some mean head tbqh

Christine is a throwback gay rights activist lesbian FYI

I think he's talking about Christian Bowe, AKA @larrywebsite, notorious twitter lefty and friend of Chapo

A bunch of liberals I see.

butthurt

Are these people even working class?

You got a couple of high schoolers (who will "grow" out of their "socialist" phase) and early retirees on disability.

Disgusting

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Just a reminder, a year ago the DSA's membership was 8k. Now it is 25k.

If they concluded the conference with the Internationale, I'd be happy. Someone on the ground please make it happen.

Here's a crazy idea. Maybe have some honest to god working class people lead their fellow working class people to a system that is meant to benefit the working class. I'm all for labor organizers but those people look nothing like those who toil in the field, factories and shops.

All the new members are liberals and cops. Most DSA members haven't even read State & Revolution.

they haven't even read anything from Marx or Engels

Just because they don't wear overalls doesn't mean they aren't workers and doesn't mean they can't pursue a left-wing agenda.

Most workers work in the service industry. They are either in retail, in an office, or preparing your shitty food.

What are you trying to prove here?

Oh fuck off trot poster. You've done nothing but whine in this thread. Go split off.

My entire family is from Appalachia. Miners don't fucking exist anymore. Please fuck off with this 19th century strongman romantic idolization of a subset of the workers in this world.

Most are in poverty or making a normal median salary.

This is just bullshit. The 20th century is over.

most common jobs in America:
Retail Sales
Cashier
Office Clerks
Combined food preparation and serving workers
Nursing

all the factories are in fucking China
farms are basically automated now

Forgot the all the Truck drivers(most delivery people also fall under this category).

Automated driving is going to be a blast.

None of them look like they could run a mile without stopping, do just twenty push ups or have fired a gun. They look like exactly what Holla Forums thinks all modern socialists look like. Embarrassing. They don't look like your average modern worker either.

What do you look like faggot? How do you dress?

I bet 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 10, 12, 13, and 14 could run a mile even thought that literally has nothing to do with whether they are workers or not.

There are very few jobs in the US left at this point where you'd actually get "fit" through the course of working itself; if you're fit, its because you actively work out (and most importantly, have the time to do so and the money to afford to go to a gym). If you use/own guns, its usually because either you're an enthusiast or you hunt. If you wear "workers" clothes (read stereotypical early-mid 20th century overalls/jumpsuits), either you're a LARPer or you work the now minority jobs that still use that kind of uniform.

The modern American worker is mostly in service or some form of (semi-)professional work. The age of the dirt/grime-caked manual laborer being the embodiment of the working class at large is over in the US (as well as much of the "1st world"). If your support of socialism hinges on appearances of the worker rather than the social/economic relations that dominate their life, then you are the apex of LARPing and do not deserve to be called a socialist.

Stop saying ranked choice. Saying the counting rule takes rankings as inputs doesn't tell me what the counting rule is. Is there any document online spelling out what the counting rule actually is? I can't interpret the results properly if I don't know that. Just looking at the outcome and jumping from that to the conclusion how popular this or that gang is would be premature.

Will Holla Forums continue to fall for the obvious bait? Stay tuned (the answer is yes).

Yes, like I said, she looks like she can give some mean head.

Wow you are such a fag. Guess what, just because someone isn't webm related doesn't mean that they can't see the situation of the proletariat or aren't proles themselves.

Spooky post. The "average worker" doesn't exist and is purely a marketing tool designed to pigeonhole the individual needs and desires of people into whatever argument the poster wants. It's as foolish as doing something for the sake of "humanity" and not actual humans.

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you're WOKE af. Well done fam.

I don't know what you're getting at, but piss off.

I remember hearing the claim that automated driving would impact something like 1/3 of US jobs because so much economic activity is based on driving - drivers themselves, support roles that depend on human drivers, and businesses that get a significant portion of revenue from serving truckers (e.g. restaurants).

Something isn't right.

Top employers:
1# Defense Industry
#2 Wal-Mart

there isn't just one truck driving company

Companies have multiple different jobs and those #1 of anything are pluralities not majorities.

Truck driving is the most common job in the US, but there's no one single truck company or employer, just tons of small trucking companies all over the country.

Just wait until you get private security firms controlling the highways when the first big automated truck hijacks happen.

This dystopian fiction writes itself.

Could be another GITS or PsychoPass episode.

working man 7 was the best tbqh

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Momentum and praxis actually have entirely different structural approaches or organization: the former wants centralized electora work around single payer + uncritical union support whereas the latter is for decentralized coalition work on multiple issues.

Given the even split I imagine NPC is gonna go back to not doing shit. One of my locals from momentum got elected so we're probably gonna have to out up with the staid social democracy bullshit though.

In the end it doesn't matter because in a real social crisis most of dsa would get swept away by a revolutionary proletariat.

American socialism is so cucked that is seriously believes the goal of winning elections on social democratic platforms is far-left…

American socialism is so cucked that it seriously believes the goal of winning elections on social democratic platforms is far-left…

So where's your glorious revolution taking place right now? You posting from Rojava? Shut the fuck up, hobbyist.

The DSA of the past was Sucdem, but if you actually read this thread, instead of just vomiting your retardation onto your keyboard, you would know that there exists a Left Caucus within the group pushing it further to the Left, and they just won majority representation in the DSA. So, you're either completely out of your depth and don't know what you're talking about, or you're a worthless lifestylist faggot who gets triggered any time anyone does anything for real irl.

Anyone who chose to joined DSA instead of an actual leftist organization is inherently a liberal or a SuccDem. DSA cannot be reformed. They are just like Democrats. Inherently pro-capitalist.

You don't know anything about the DSA. Your organization will be irrelevant forever.

Trots deserve only the bullet

I would rather be part of an actual Socialist organization than a bunch of Liberals and Cop-Lovers.

DSA just elected Danny Fetonte, a Police Union organizer, who doesn't support BLM or prison abolition. DSA is filled with cops, even within their NPC. They are liberals.

Typical SuccDem. You will kill actual socialists rather than admit that you're wrong.

Singing the Internationale at the end of the convention.

twitter.com/emmettrensin/status/894274011575791616

Holla Forums made a thread about DSA

8ch.net/pol/res/10360107.html

Typical Trot. You will kill actual socialists rather then admit that you're wrong.

linkedin.com/in/danny-fetonte-4931127a/

DSA JUST ELECTED A COP-UNION ORGANIZER INTO NPC

LMAOROFLQQ🌹

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DSA elected a Cop, knowing full well what he was. Pretending this post-election outrage is the same bullshit Trump voters pulled when Trump revealed that he was a cheating conman this whole time.

DSA is not discipline, it's not socialist, and will continue to support the Democrats and the Police.

Eh, who cares about BLM anyway, prison abolition was always a Foucault pseudo anarchist position

Why? They have nothing to really say about it. Their entire worldview hinges on ignoring everything but race. They have no way to even absorb the DSA's ideas, even if they want to criticize it; they lack the ideological tools.

Reminder that Holla Forums has always supported cops for their contribution to public safety.

Fam, we already know all your organisations are infiltrated and most of you ended up becoming neocons. Be nice and shut up you insufferable faggot

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kek
DSA-libs will defend their Cops and Vermont Dems.

No one knew that about him. He withheld that information and you must be paying attention to Twitter to even know this, so you should be seeing the overwhelming response being that he should be kicked out immediately.

Of course you're just here to shitpost and do nothing, which is all Trots are capable of (other than being a nice place to store ice picks)

It's good to see there is a backlash.

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Its honestly brilliant how Israel shills have managed to associate anti-zionism with anti-semitism.

They didn't elect a cop. It's a Union organizer who once organized cops. I think it should disbar them from NPC depending how long ago it was/if they have publically denounced it. Fuck everyone turning it against DSA as a whole.

Fuck police "unions." Anyone who organizes for cops, especially ones in fucking Texas of all place should be shot in the fucking skull.

All members of the Austin chapter should be banned from the DSA.

How the fuck do you have a Co Chair that worked for CLEAT???

The trots were waiting for the smallest thing to make a fuss about.

Felix looks tougher everytime I see him

The 20th century is fucking over

It seems u have posted using the leftcom flag. Ur post has been archived. Thank u.

Official DSA accounts are speaking out about the cop now and saying that he needs to be kicked out. Hopefully a good sign he's gone by tomorrow.

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Not even anti-zionism.

Anyone who criticizes anything Israel does or has done is a apparently genocidal Nazi.

Austin DSA twitter said they're trying to reach the cop for a statement.

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A mainstream liberal-centrist rag is praising Democratic Cops of America.

washingtonpost.com/powerpost/the-socialist-movement-is-getting-younger-thanks-to-one-75-year-old/2017/08/06/464f0656-7924-11e7-8839-ec48ec4cae25_story.html?utm_term=.ace20f6d9f48

sad
was feeling everything that they were doing, felt optimistic. I hope they make the right move and ditch this fucker

Clockwork

NEVER
trust a social democrat, even if they call themselves a democratic socialist. Hell, especially not if they call themselves a democratic socialist.

Oh and I guess it doesn't go without stating but the MSM trying to frame the left as succdems is a problem that we need to be fighting. This kind of shit needs to be countered as efficiently as possible. If anybody has the meme skills and a twatter, you should post memes about succdems not being leftist in the DSA's hashtag.

Truth, man

How the fuck do you not vet people you allow to run for important offices?!?

Another glaring issue that is being ignored is that that one Twitter guy, "Larry Website" got put on the same committee AND he campaigned for the cop. No one fucking knew a god damn thing about "Larry Website" other than he is popular on Left Twitter and that all of the NYC Left Twitter Power Users love him.

That's all it takes to get elected into one of the most important committees in the DSA, be a popular Twitter user, have absolutely no transparency in organizing past, or both.

Btw, Christian Bowe is his real name.

WHILE I WAS SEARCHING TWITTER FOR THIS PIC I FOUND OUT THAT THE PEOPLE THEY ELECTED FOR THEIR NATIONAL POLITICAL COMMITTEE DIDN'T EVEN SPEAK OR DEBATE.

WHAT THE FUCK

that is pretty annoying
hopefully actual intellectuals will put them in the dirt and take their place as time goes on

Unforgivable incompetence and/or feds sabotaging shit up to and including the whole organization being a psyop.
Social media was a mistake, especially using it to organize the left.

See my postulation above that the DSA itself is a psyop. Or maybe they're just that fucking incompetent, but honestly even for a bunch of twitter attention whores, that's really pushing it.

How do you have a nationwide organization, with chapters that operate semi-autonomously and focus on their own local communities, then select a committee without knowing a damn thing about these people from halfway across the country??? Where does that even begin to make sense.

Yeah, I'm legitimately pissed because I have actually argued with people in the past to give the DSA a chance, that they're moving left, I felt a little more hope for them out of this conference, and then I find out all of this.
We're all going to die in hellworld because of incompetent orgs and social media popularity contests.

twitter.com/alexbirnel/status/894357389545222148

Apparently the cop had leveraged the idea of southern representation for his campaign, at least this delegate was unaware of his past and says he would not have voted for him if he had known.

I doubt Larry website was aware of the guys past either

THE COP'S CAREER IS THE FIRST FUCKING RESULT WHEN YOU GOOGLE HIS NAME

But sure, keep digging for excuses and shifting the blame. That you were so pressured into voting for someone you knew fucking nothing about other than some Southern solidarity bullshit. The fact that you put your "lion's share" of votes behind a guy you knew nothing about other than where he is from is supposed to be vindicating and not make you look like a huge fucking idiot?

How am I supposed to feel confident in an organization this incompetent?

I'm a dsa member. The past few months shows me that all they will ever be is a centrist org that wins leftists with radical rhetoric.

DSA won't empower proletarians to organize against the state and capital–it will integrate them through uncritical unionism and electoralism.

DSA won't make contacts with communist or socialist proletarians in other countries–it will see closer and closer ties to new and reformulated parties that feed off the corpse of the Socialist International.

DSA won't execute, in tandem with proletarians, the breaking down of state-power and the implementation of communist measures during crisis situations–it will go halfway and stop those who do go the distance.

It's horizon isn't the international working class destroying capital and instituting communising measures, with its organization only one moment within the total process. It sees only organizational growth and governing as representatives of the working-class. Even the left of it has this horizon.

The NPC slates were only announced a couple weeks ago, and no there wasn't a lot of vetting, from my understanding most of the discussion was about the platforms of the separate slates.

Not to mention, the committee doesn't have that much power anyway, almost all the org's activity is coordinated on the local and state level. Chances are, this guy will be out of here in a couple days anyway.

In other words they're an efficient waste of time.

It's an issue of trust between chapters. Everyone else assumes that those local chapters would've done their due diligence by putting them and nominating them.

I'm in the leadership of my local YDS chapter and let me tell you why this is bullshit.

To think that a new worker's movement can be revitalized without engaging in electoral politics and collective action in the workplace is madness. If it hadn't been for Sander's run, we wouldn't even be seeing this kind of resurgence. Not to mention, unionization is near illegal into most states, if this isn't the first place to fight class warfare, what is?

Are you fucking kidding me, have you not been paying attention at all? They left Socialist International and speakers from genuine leftist movements from all over the world were at the convention.

In the event of a crisis the DSA would be primely positioned to organize a mass movement against the state and demand the democratization of state institutions, the nationalization of key industries and the cooperitzation of industry. Should the government strike out against this movement there would be a very real threat of violent revolution.

The DSA doesn't claim to represent the working class, it's very self conscious that it can't, and that shouldn't be the goal. Rather, the place of the DSA is to frame the political debate in terms of class, to aid the proletariat through its organizational status in their fight against the bourgeoisie, precisely through union fights and fights for basic dignity.

If there's one thing the DSA has done it's expose more and more people to Marxist theory, it's created a vast network of ordinary working people and students to engage in a real movement against the present state of things.

They're doing more than any anarchist or black block edgelord has every done for the worker's movement.

I wish prominent members (ie, the Larry Websites that are popular on Twitter) would be halfway serious about addressing concerns like this. I'm tired of the fucking memes, inside jokes and social media cliques. When I look to see what the DSA is all about, this is what I get bombarded with on twitter. It makes me not want to go to my local chapter when the online side of the organization makes me feel like its some social club.

DSA IS A FUCKING COP ORGANIZATION THAT LITERALLY ELECTS OPEN COPS
DSA IS A FUCKING COP ORGANIZATION THAT LITERALLY ELECTS OPEN COPS
DSA IS A FUCKING COP ORGANIZATION THAT LITERALLY ELECTS OPEN COPS
DSA IS A FUCKING COP ORGANIZATION THAT LITERALLY ELECTS OPEN COPS
DSA IS A FUCKING COP ORGANIZATION THAT LITERALLY ELECTS OPEN COPS
DSA IS A FUCKING COP ORGANIZATION THAT LITERALLY ELECTS OPEN COPS
DSA IS A FUCKING COP ORGANIZATION THAT LITERALLY ELECTS OPEN COPS
DSA IS A FUCKING COP ORGANIZATION THAT LITERALLY ELECTS OPEN COPS
DSA IS A FUCKING COP ORGANIZATION THAT LITERALLY ELECTS OPEN COPS

LMAO you are a fucking cuck, he is a cop.

I warned you about the DSA, bro. I told you dog.

lmao this is Occupy all over again. When will people stop taking the American "left" seriously.

NEW THREAD

who creates new threads on Holla Forums. newfags please leave.

New thread was totally unnecessary. Made by nasty opportunistic trots.

I guess it is your lucky day user.