So Holla Forums, who are the Bourgeoise?

So Holla Forums, who are the Bourgeoise?
Now I understand it means Middle-class but, specifically who? In places like the US the Middle Class and the Working Class have almost merged. So is it still the Middle Class, is it now the upper middle class? Or something else? Or has it just become another name for the Capitalist class?

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if you build a tool, and you force others trade favors to use it, you are bourgeoisie

Explain if you could. What cases, modern cases would this work out without it being from the capitalist class

I think you misunderstand
the origin of Bourgeoise is the medieval middle class
but they supplanted the nobility to be the new ruling class in captalist society
we are ruled by the bourgeoisie

So they are the Capitalist Class?

yes,
they are anyone who profits from the labor of anyone else

It means middle-class under feudalism, where the aristocracy was the upper-class.

Wat. It's about owning the means of production.
Owning the means of production is now a majority thing?

I was extremely confused originally. The user above helped explain things to me

just a heads up
i'm practicing my larp abilities, and I don't actually believe what I described to you

it is what some people here actually believe though

Oh. Then what do you believe?

ethnonationalism

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I forgot to mention where I'm from

fucking liberals

A member of the bourgeouise doesn't even need to build the tool himself. He just needs to have legal ownership of it.
Usually the favors traded for one tool is used to get more tools. Building it yourself is optional.


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I'm gonna make a wiki article to make it clear once and for all who the fuck is the bourgeoisie, stay with me OP, just gotta smoke before.

no john, you ARE the bourgeoisie

To the cuckshed with you

When an individual is able to provide for himself solely by virtue of his ability to control those means of production which the proletariat uses he is bourgeois. This is a significant observation to make, because individuals of a particular class all have a shared set of material interests. An individual whose income is reliant upon waged labor will definitively benefit when production increases relative to wages.

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Middle class is a term used to describe people on the basis of income. It implies relevant affluence regardless of relation to the means of production. You could be a small business owner, a manager, a doctor, whatever.
Working class (proletariat) and bpurgrouise are not about affluence, they refer to your relationship to the means of production. Hypothetically you could be a member of the working class and be richer than an individual member of the bougouise.

What about bankers and investment bankers etc. they dont own MOPs but surely they are part of the capitalist system

leftypol.miraheze.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie

It means whoever we don't like

this

except they do. investment banking is literally based on the buying and selling of capital (in the form of shares).
financial advisors are not bourgeoisie, though, since they don't own capital.

Confining it only to direct, personal ownership over the means of production is pretty myopic. That's definitely a component, but financial instruments, stocks, trusts, futures, etc, have evolved to such an extent after Marx's time that saying, in regards to CEOs for instance, that because they don't "own the means of production" that they aren't bourgeoisie, is a little ridiculous.

stop false flagging

This.

Others have explained and linked and whatnot, so my post on this is almost certainly redundant, but basically it doesn't mean the middle class. It did at one time, but in the Marxist context (and really almost any political/economic context it's used in now) it means the capitalist upper class. I've occasionally seen people who professed to be socialists make the mistake of semantic association in diatribes against the 'middle class' as a supposed group, though. But the actual 'middle class' is a very vague thing, especially in developed economies where it's sorted in tiers which go from construction contractors to teachers to assistant managers to white collar workers to doctors to business owners. The "lower middle class" may be struggling to afford necessities, while the "upper middle class" depending on your definition may group ambitious office employees with the people who own the firm they work for. "Working class" is much more defined.

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