Esoteric Left-Communism General

Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

Hello friends,

Recently I've stumbled upon this website dialectics.org/dialectics/Welcome.html.

They've done some really impressive work. Mostly taken the esoteric and obscure aspect of Hegelian and Marxian dialectics and systematizing them into an intuitive symbolic logic while retaining the essence of esotericism so crucial to Hegel and Marx. What's more, they've discovered the truth of Marx's work: warning us about the ‘humanocidal mania’ of the present core plutocracy as a consequence of the unintended “laws” of a total human social practice that is based upon humanity valuing economic “value” – monetary “value”, capital-“value”, profitability-“value”, and the social power, and the “perks”, that the ownership of this “value” brings with it – above all else.

One need not worry about whether this is tainted by "tankie" dialectics. The owner of the FED makes it clear that:

Moreover, after Marx’s death, Engels was unable to clarify Marx’s dialectic, and
the Leninist “Marxist” movement, as the ideology of a state-capitalist, state bureaucratic ruling class, could, of course,
only produce an ‘abstract-matter-Idealist’ degeneration of Marx’s dialectic, e.g., in the forms of the Stalinist “diamat”, of Maoist “Little Red Book” state-capitalist metaphysics, etc., etc.

Enjoy friends!

Some links:

Main page: dialectics.org/dialectics/Welcome.html
Glossary on esotericism and totality: dialectics.org/dialectics/Glossary.html
Interview with Karl H. Seldon on the real conspiracy of capital: capitalismsfundamentalflaw-wayforward.blogspot.ca/2013/04/full-title-first-interview-with-f.html

All urls found in this thread:

dialectics.org/dialectics/Welcome.html.
dialectics.org/dialectics/Welcome.html
dialectics.org/dialectics/Glossary.html
capitalismsfundamentalflaw-wayforward.blogspot.ca/2013/04/full-title-first-interview-with-f.html
marxists.org/reference/archive/smith-cyril/works/millenni/smith4.htm
hollaforums.com/thread/1906298/activism
home.igc.org/~venceremos/.
groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/hegel-marx/conversations/topics/2707
boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=136343
youtu.be/JwfNASlfkbA/
youtube.com/channel/UCW-eLgz_kzfJqYCjntBuFcQ
youtube.com/channel/UCRi1EOZpaAZaQfxP2QnmLNQ
anti-dialectics.co.uk/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hari_Seldon
dialectics.org/dialectics/Applications.html
point-of-departure.org/Point-Of-Departure/Point-Of-Departure-entry.htm

Matthew Foster
Matthew Foster

Bump!

Lucas Turner
Lucas Turner

This is why ultras are stupid

Levi Powell
Levi Powell

You've got to be shitting me if you actually take that website seriously.

Luis Morales
Luis Morales

Shitting you? Absolutely not, this is top notch stuff. Better than Paul Cumshott the Capitalist.

Right back at ya.

Kayden Bailey
Kayden Bailey

Meant to reply to

Eli Peterson
Eli Peterson

I've seen some cancer but this is on a whole new level. Misunderstanding what Marx and Marxism understand with dialectics and materialism is only funny when it's done obliviously or by accident; not when it's consciously being mocked.

marxists.org/reference/archive/smith-cyril/works/millenni/smith4.htm

Cameron Cooper
Cameron Cooper

hollaforums.com/thread/1906298/activism

Look at what book user here posted. What OP linked to is linked in there too. I think I'll take what the other user who shows they know something over ignorant booklets like you. I don't understand it, but I'm sure it's legit.

Adam Lopez
Adam Lopez

Cyril Smith

"Muh inhuman production process", "muh Hegel's method is Capital". No thanks I'll stick to the giants, you stick on the ground.

This guy gets it.

Lucas Perry
Lucas Perry

This entire thread is some strange type of trolling. You have to try and pisd people off, not say "ur wrong lol" then run away.

Aiden Thomas
Aiden Thomas

Alright guys it seems I've been bested and I must it it now: everything from my penis to the universe is dialectical.

In order to further enlighten my fellow comrades we should all study the real dialectical method as presented to us by the Politburo, starting with the most important resource yet: home.igc.org/~venceremos/.

Luke Gonzalez
Luke Gonzalez

You ==CAN'T== use mathematical concepts in human sciences without a very rigorous approach behind it.
Esoterism is ==NOT== rigorous in any way.
Your little symbol game, by the way, makes absolutely no fucking sense whatshowever, no matter how hard I'm looking at it.

It doesn't come as a surprise though, from people who worship "Lacan" of all philosophers. Lacan is a hack and so is this website.

Christian Sullivan
Christian Sullivan

Why is all the text pictures on that website?

Camden Brown
Camden Brown

You forgot the colors, italics/underline ()s and symbols. Otherwise, you were pretty close.

So you see it all at once, duh.

Gabriel Perez
Gabriel Perez

You ==CAN'T== use mathematical concepts in human sciences without a very rigorous approach behind it.

And why not? Literally everything in the universe can be simplified and reduced to mathematics. The human itself is just an input-output function, but with some extra semantic steps.

Read Laplace.

William Morris
William Morris

Lacan is a disgrace and was btfo by the Situationist Internationale. This is what real men read.

Excellent, will bookmark and check later.

Dominic Peterson
Dominic Peterson

And why not? Literally everything in the universe can be simplified and reduced to mathematics.
No.
As a guy with a small background in STEM, definitely not. Math is just an elaborate, rigorous and very powerful mental construct which happens to be a very good medium to describe and model the outside world and physics.

As an example, take the "mathematisation" of economy, and the horrible consequences of it.
At least that's my humble opinion.

Adrian Johnson
Adrian Johnson

The absolute STATE of LeftComs

Logan Rogers
Logan Rogers

let's build a popular workers' movement
the essence of esotericism so crucial to Hegel and Marx.

Chase Cox
Chase Cox

alright, after a couple hours of digging around the "karl h. seldon" name, i've found some interesting explanation from some people connected to the "foundation of encyclopedia dialectica", which is basically one guy named "miguel detonacciones", who seems pretty peculiar to say the least. here are some links to see by yourself:

groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/hegel-marx/conversations/topics/2707
boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=136343

it seems like these guys think capitalist exploitation is some grand conspiracy done by some men-in-black type shit, sort of like prison planet but leftist.

pretty *w o k e* if you ask me

Isaiah Young
Isaiah Young

moreover, the entire thing seems connected to a sci fi series called "foundation" by isaac asimov, from what i could gather from the second link

Jace Lopez
Jace Lopez

a guy summarized the entire thing pretty well:

"Looking at the website, it looks a lot to me as if someone is having a bit of fun with a pastiche of Asimov's books. A bit of a mélange of Foundation and Illuminati (with more Shea/Wilson than Asimov.) I see absolutely nothing that is even vaguely real mathematics. As noted earlier in the thread, if you look even slightly below the surface, it isn't even wrong. Just a mash up of random snippets of notation.

So far it seems its predictive ability is confined to stating that
Human history will happen.
Things will change.
Change will happen in a linear order.
Events that cause other things will happen first."

Isaac Perez
Isaac Perez

So a left-wing timecube ?

Justin Garcia
Justin Garcia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional) ?

Jayden Jackson
Jayden Jackson

essentially
yea apparently it has something to do with this, or maybe the miguel guy just randomly stumbles on a discussion about psychohistory thats supposed to be based on a sci fi series, but judging from his apparent lack of communication skills or social awareness, he decided to inject some sort of scizo-pseudo-intellectual bullcrap into the forum thread

Justin Price
Justin Price

youtu.be/JwfNASlfkbA/

Owen Baker
Owen Baker

You only need to analyse an armchair by this methodology and we will officially have reached peak leftcom

Xavier Bell
Xavier Bell

Paul Cumshott the Capitalist.
kys

Owen Cox
Owen Cox

Thanks for posting this, I've been looking for these diagrams for a few months now. You've been extremely helpful.

Benjamin Brown
Benjamin Brown

posting crankish idiocy of this magnitude
Take off that flag and never post here again.

Caleb Williams
Caleb Williams

youtube.com/channel/UCW-eLgz_kzfJqYCjntBuFcQ

youtube.com/channel/UCRi1EOZpaAZaQfxP2QnmLNQ

Welcome to insanity.

Landon Miller
Landon Miller

What the fuck is even happening here?

Jace Davis
Jace Davis

/leftyx/

Luke Robinson
Luke Robinson

tankie dialectics are metaphysics
here's basically the dialectical equivalent of the Pepe Sylvia bit from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia

works the almonds

Landon Kelly
Landon Kelly

Leftcom threads are too smart for me

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

anti-dialectics.co.uk/ blocks your path

Nolan Roberts
Nolan Roberts

Hmm this is good but not as good as the OP, nevertheless I thank you.

Charles Garcia
Charles Garcia

bump

Jacob Thompson
Jacob Thompson

Dice rollRolled 7 + 2 (1d20)

esotericism in a people's movement

rolling a Will check to see if i can handle your bullshit

Brandon Foster
Brandon Foster

Bump because the left needs wizards, and if any of us are in a position to read up on the occult, it would be the leftcoms.

Tyler Price
Tyler Price

can someone explain what the fuck i am looking at in the OP pics

Caleb Hughes
Caleb Hughes

Commie wizard stuff.

Isaac Reyes
Isaac Reyes

what does that mean

what are these symbols? how can dialectics be uncovered through calculations and symbolic logic?

am i being memed on because it does seem interesting even if its occult bs

David Sullivan
David Sullivan

wtf they are trying to understand Marx by making diagrams, we need to stop this
Tankies in a nutshell for you

Evan Nguyen
Evan Nguyen

Honestly, I have no fucking clue what's going on in the OP's diagrams either, my autism is not that strong. I am hoping there is one among us who can decipher this.

Cameron Parker
Cameron Parker

taking OP seriously

Charles Taylor
Charles Taylor

Hegel and Marx can be formalized. Much to the chagrin of leftcoms who like to weave word games so they can get laid by some mousy bitch whos "attracted to intelligence". But dudes like this,

If unironic, are fucking cancer

Aaron Gutierrez
Aaron Gutierrez

Is that the L. Ron Hubbard selfhelp book with the volcano cover?

Noah Morgan
Noah Morgan

tfw im working on a formalization of marxian theory

Christian Sullivan
Christian Sullivan

seldon
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hari_Seldon

Hari Seldon is a fictional character in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series. In his capacity as mathematics professor at Streeling University on the planet Trantor, Seldon develops psychohistory, an algorithmic science that allows him to predict the future in probabilistic terms. On the basis of his psychohistory he is able to predict the eventual fall of the Galactic Empire and to develop a means to shorten the millennia of chaos to follow. The significance of his discoveries lies behind his nickname "Raven" Seldon.

Jace Hernandez
Jace Hernandez

The fuck is this crap, that image made me feel schizophrenic.

Anthony Sullivan
Anthony Sullivan

tfw it's true

Charles Howard
Charles Howard

I am offering to the world, via this web site, and via free-of-charge downloads, the materials that I receive from F.E.D.
I'm pretty sure he is telling us that that site is just a distraction, and that he was paid by the feds for it.

Bentley Ortiz
Bentley Ortiz

I decided to read the part about Hegel and Capital. Was a really nice read. Especially when they wrote about the structure of Capital and how C-M-C and M-C-M are inherently part of the dialectic movement created when the critique of the commodity brings forth the money commodity since it is a "synthesis" of M-C and C-M. I would recommend reading the first two PDF's on this page
dialectics.org/dialectics/Applications.html
Especially if you are interested in a systematic explanation of dialectics that goes beyond the usual simplification of thesis-antithesis-synthesis. The first PDF explains in detail what the symbols mean, so don't worry. It is basic math which can be understood easily once you read it.

Andrew Johnson
Andrew Johnson

This looks, and I'm willing to bet a labor voucher and my arm rests on this, like it was made by either a Sokalite-type anti-continental or someone like me, an ultra, making fun of the esoteric understanding Stalinists have of dialectics as a sort of programmatic science.

It may as well be an unfortunately hilarious combination, actually, where the Sokalites display that the thing they are trying to mock (Marx's materialist dialectic) is in fact based on their understanding of the Stalinist "dialectical materialism", and that they are wholly unaware of this. I think this is actually likelier, and consequently much more funny and much more idiotic by consequence.

Daniel Morgan
Daniel Morgan

still rustled by sokal
It's getting pathetic fam

Jaxson Morgan
Jaxson Morgan

Read the PDF on their site instead. They put real effort into this. It isn't even obscure or elitist in any way.

Logan Ward
Logan Ward

I ain't rustled at all. Quite the contrary, Sokal's first big bamboozling was amazing and showed that academic continental philosophy is completely institutional and fails to on even on the most basic level realize it's been parodied with its own language and incoherence; that actual wit in left/continental academia is very rare, and that you're better off looking for continental/left perspectives as much as possible divorced from bourgeois institutional realms. The Rancières, Badious, Zizeks, and so on, were and are increasingly an anomaly in those spaces, which tells us something.

Henry Reyes
Henry Reyes

It's part of Point of Departure:
point-of-departure.org/Point-Of-Departure/Point-Of-Departure-entry.htm
See "Adventures in Dialectics"

It seems to be the continuation of the American section of the Situationist International that was expelled for their mysticism and esoteric bullshit.

Lincoln Gray
Lincoln Gray

good opinion.

badiou is trash though tbh bro. good/obvious basic idea, fucking terrible result. no idea why zizek ships him so hard

Michael Ortiz
Michael Ortiz

there's anything wrong with mysticism
get rekt pleb

I mean look, I'm generally trolling. But Badiou is infuriating garbage. I'd rather read fucking Bourbaki cover to cover. Just learn actual category/topos theory and homotopy type theory if you can tbh

Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

I believe it was made by a genuinely mentally ill person. The guy made some (literally) colorful walls of text on Revleft before being banned for being a nuisance.

Adam Wright
Adam Wright

this is collectible-tier schizo
nice find

kek

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