Union jobs gives more innovation

That's still magical thinking. Be rigorous, AI is very limited and nothing leaves us to think that it will somehow develop and be able to fulfil our needs.

Just because your book is in beautiful LaTEX doesn't make it rigorous.

wew
this man might be the pivotal figure in our species colonizing the stars
doesn't that transcend politics just a little bit?

1. A.I. is a technology still in its very early phases that hasn't gotten anywhere near to the potential it could eventually have one day, so straight out dismissing A.I. based on its capabilities now is ridiculous

2. Cockshott wrote his book in the early 90's and demonstrated that the system he advocated for was possible even with technology available then. Read the book

Perhaps. Thinking it can be a modern panacea to solve world hunger, class struggle and bring forth socialism is frivolous. If you want to be rigorous you need to not be overtly optimistic.

This was actually always the conservative argument for unions. See, back in the day, unions were an instrumental part of the US's industrial society. They had been radically enforced by workers to the dismay of the State and then found a function within it; self-management and collective bargaining of capital proved incredibly useful in a US economy far from as centralized and organically composed as today. It is only in the early-mid 20th century that the US started cracking down on them because they were hampering on the rate of profit: the more radical class-unions had to go (IWW, CFL-AIO at least in its early days were both either outright revolutionary at times, or could threaten to be). What remained then and until today are slave unions of the State: either too small to do more than line themselves a little more in their pockets or be nothing but represenstative organs. Only the more delusional leftists still think trade unions still have revolutionary potential after that, and one of the best takedowns of history for the communist movement was Pannekoek's. Have a peek: marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1936/union.htm.

TL;DR: we (communists) never supported unions for >muh productivity (gotta grow those brofits and create new privately held technologies, mang!), which is what libs and cons historically did, and unions today are conservative apparatuses that really have no revolutionary potential anymore whatsoever for the workers' movement.

I'm not saying it's the only method to solve all the ridiculous caricatured issues you just brought up but it's ridiculous to dismiss emerging technologies like that, you have no idea how effective they could eventually grow to be. It's reminiscent of what Napoleon stated about steam engine ships when they were invented.

Like I said before though Cockshott's system doesn't even advocate that extensive a use of A.I. for it to be effective. Read the book.

His cars are not profitable. They'd be 30 percent more expensive without subsidies.

His driverless car AI is vapor ware. It's not even close to being better than a human. He's trying to push EV so he can be the main supplier of batteries. Nothing he's accomplished is ground breaking at all.

I watched his space x landing in April. Not even kidding they cut away from the feed before it landed. Watch for Teslas to be revealed as a huge fraud.

I wish the neoliberalism meme would end and we could stop wasting money on that fuck.

The only interesting thing he's doing is developing better batteries, and we'd probably have those fucking batteries by now and then some if it were actually being done by a proper government research program.

DO NOT SOIL THE GOOD NAME OF ELON

There's nothing AI about that book. It's basic high school math + the super computers of the early 90s. I could run his estimated national calculations on a regular high-end PC today.

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Mars is the new aryan homeland?

Surely you kid

That actually helps his claim, you know?

Yeah, I think Cockshott has some interesting ideas, even if he's reinventing enterprise resource management software on a national level.

stop fetishising AI. too many 'leftists' in here think magic AI god is a substitute for class struggle, when in reality, socialism was already technically possible in Marx' own day and the AI technology being developed right now is blatant bourgeoisie instruments of control.(see ) If automation was really going to give us full gay space automated communism, our sillicon valley masters wouldn't be setting the bases for a society of control. Besides, you can't take tech reporting at face value, they are basically the hype division of the tech industry, of course they have a vested interest in selling the technology as magic narrative.

Spoiler alert: Hitler gave out picks and shovels to his people to build highways even though there were more efficient means available to build them.

Why did he do this?
Because unless a society's economy is socialist, automation benefits the rich at the expense of everyone else, and the only two ways to keep a society like that stable in a time of increasing automation are by creating bullshit make-work jobs or creating a massive welfare state.

Same here.
I just heard about Elon musk 2 years ago and he is just the classic liberal capitalist with a "human" face.

much of the mainstream discourse around 'automation' is tainted by capitalist ideology. I find it more useful to talk about what Marx called subsumption. Real subsumption is when capital takes control of pre-existent economic processes, ie. when independent artisans are proletarianised and put to work in a factory. formal subsumption is when the processes of production are transformed to benefit capital and neutralise threats to unlimited accumulation, such as the labor movement. 'technological progress' is only good when it serves humanity. Technology doesn't exist in a plane of its own, detached from politics. modern capitalism is a people managing system.Capitalists are already working on ways to monetise social capital and things are only bound to get more dystopian as time goes on.

someone post the reddit Elon Musk webm

Labor having strong bargaining power and high wages does force innovation, since capital can't squeeze profits by dumping wages and laying off unruly workers.

I would gulag Elon but allow him to work on technology/engineering projects from a work camp, not unlike what Korolev (father of the Soviet rocket program) did during the last years of his stay in the gulag system. Though from what I understand, most of the innovative ideas that SpaceX/Tesla come up with are from the employees themselves, and Musk just takes credit from them. He's got a huge fucking ego.