Let's have a serious thread, how would labour be organized under your preferred socialist system

Let's have a serious thread, how would labour be organized under your preferred socialist system.
1. How would resources be allocated
2. How would the proletariat be in control of the means of production
3. What role would the state have,
4. if the state no longer exists how would communities be organized so rule of law still applies
This is a situation 5 years after the revolution, automation can be underway but it won't be close to automating even 5% of all the jobs that can be automated.
Inb4 Utopianism, yea whatever this is just a challenge

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Pre Revolution: a network of independent but mutually supporting co-operatives and voluntary organisations focusing on free community services must be built, alongside and within the capitalist mode of production and under but outside of the state. This network should be involved actively in education and agitation of the proletariat, funding work place strikes, rent strikes etc where it can, as well as troops etc where necessary. This network should centre around one or several mutual credit banks, democratically controlled by those who contribute to them,

As the networks expand its influence and financial power it will buy outright the means of production which it uses, as well as providing more and more community services for free, focussing on key areas like housing, food and healthcare, but expanding into other goods such as computers and phones as the network grows.

This process should continue until it supersedes the state, this would most likely happen in a time of crisis i.e. an economic crash, therefore the focus of the network should be to build in order to help the proletariat endure such a crash.

There is no real moment of sweeping revolution, rather as the networks expands its power and delivers more and more free communities services and as this happens, phasing out the money or labour tickets formerly necessary to exchange for these services,***the revolution will be taking place, however the revolution will not be truly complete or even underway until all capital has been subsumed by the network and therefore it is fully under the networks control, allowing the network control of all production, allowing it to distribute all goods for free based on need and therefore abolishing the value form.

*** I imagine the phasing out of money or introduction of labour tickets would take the form of the network agreeing to a general cut of wage pay in order for the network to provide another community service, until all money is phased out. It may be that we can go directly from cash to free services, it may be that we wish to regulate the intermediary stage with labour tickets.

Labor unions have seized every workplace and turned ownership over to the locals. Every worker gets one share of their workplace, and thus an equal vote.
They produce for exchange.
The state serves the functions that it's SUPPOSED to serve now - settling disputes between unions, enforcing criminal law, and providing a UBI.

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Bumping because I want to contribute tmrw and I'm going to bed

Was Brezhnev bogpilled?

It isn't fucking Brezhnev that's for sure

Can someone give me a quick rundown on these guys?

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1, Labour tickets. It is possible to give them the name of present day currencies, like Dollar, Euro, or whatever, if the people wants something sounding familiar, but tha would still be labour tickets, in fact.
2, For small units, direct democracy. For the larger units, representative democracy with some elements of direct democracy (like in Swiss, somewhat). For technical questions, a board of technicians sorting out the different options for a referendum.
3, > As long as the Socialist World Republic isn't established yet.
Foreign relations, including the military and the foreign trade. Defense against capitalist attacks, spreading of socialism, etc.
Applying the rule of law and technological standards, coordinating the sectorial plans, avoiding inconsistencies between the workers decisions, etc. Basically, government of things, coodination and protection of normal people against insane people.

I like this guy

Please open a book, you and your friends are pure cancer.
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Do labour tickets have an expiry date?

Yes, since no product lasts forever. Also, an expiry date on labour tickets avoid excessive saving, which could be a counter-incentive to work time reduction by automation.

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I know you're trolling, but kill yourself my famrade

After just 5 years there would probably still be a kind of NEP in place, with a syndicalist model applied to major or especially important sectors and market socialism used for less crucial goods. The syndicalist model would rely on local planning, communities would provide comprehensive plans for all their needs and submit them to the relevant syndicates. The syndicates themselves would be largely decentralized and autonomous from the government. Each shop would govern itself for the most part, but would be regulated by multiple levels of government to crack down on corruption and such, and the central organization of the syndicate would largely only be responsible for allocating work according to capacity of each plant, in accordance with the plans delivered to them by the communes. As time goes on, more and more of the economy would be integrated into the syndicate system, which would be made fairly easy by the tendency towards monopoly in the marketplace. At some point soon a non-transferable currency would be adopted and the market would be eliminated.


The factories and shops would be largely autonomous. They would be run democratically and their only interaction with higher authorities would be with the regulatory agencies of the government, and the central management of the syndicate which would ensure the efficient assignment of work based on each plant's capacity.


The state would be divided into three main parts: the federation (national), the republics (regional), the communes (local). Power would be distributed in a bottom up scheme, with local governments having the most power. These would be run through direct democracy, and higher levels would operate using recallable delegates. The role of the local governments would be the most extensive, engaging in the majority of economic planning and lawmaking. Higher levels would deal primarily with issues that affect multiple smaller entities within them (ie the Republic settles issues involving multiple communes, etc) and the national government would be responsible for international affairs. All three levels of government would act as regulators on the syndicates, making sure that they are fufilling their obligations, and not defrauding the public.

thats where you're wrong, kiddo

Capitalism necessarily includes the employer/employee relationship, and the absent ownership of private property.

Syndicalism precludes both, so it is not capitalism.

What you described was market socialism, not syndicalism.

Basically the labor voucher system proposed by marx in critique of the gotha program, but with computers.

WELL-BEING FOR ALL!

Fair enough, on further research I see that syndicalism requires production for use.

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1, A website one part keeping track of all modes of production (land, materials). Secondly, it would have a forum with that would have direct control over the means of production, it would need some sort of voting system to approve of projects.
2, Anyone would be free to participate in the forum, with topics related to all aspects of society, able to join in conversation about both local and global projects.
3, No state
4, There would be no official rule of law, as it is free mutual organisation for the benefit of all, anyone who causes harm to the society could just be excluded