you faggots are worse than Holla Forums for being autocontrarian
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9/10 times a poster shitting on Euro socdems is a jealous burger.
CANT TIM FARRON THE RED BARON ABSOLUTELY NO GREY FOR THERESA MAY
Welfare capitalism isn't any closer to socialism than regular capitalism. If anything it delays revolution.
you reformists are worse than Holla Forums
Fuck all petit bourgeois accelerationists
=JEREMY CORBYN= =IS NAZBOL=
it's one poll ffs
When has socialism come out of socdem countries?
it fits with the rest of trend since the release of Manifestos.
he says… while doing absolutely nothing revolutionary in his life
personal attacks are not an argument
he got you there. How many actual working class people have you convinced to go outside and protest?
THE CORBYNMATER RISES. DEATH TO ALL TORY SCUM
if you're gonna shit on somebody for not being socialist enough, you should be socialist enough. If you haven't done anything but shitpost ever are YOU bringing us closer to socialism? The answer is no
Supporting Socdems and thinking socialism will somehow come from it is no different than Holla Forums supporting Trump and thinking a fashy ethnostate will come from it
personal attacks are not a valid argument
personal attacks are not a valid argument
Probably the 'shy Tory' effect falsely getting our hopes up again.
I don't care about supporting socdems, I just want to be happy.
then support revolution not reformism
I support both.
Communism is against wages and money so raising minimum wage and stuff is bad, duh.
what is wrong with both in Tandem?
Well, technically, we aren't supposed to be for capitalist welfare states. That's like being an abolitionist and wanting the slave to have a better bed and the slave master less brutal, when you want the slave free and the slave master dead.
NOW IS THE TIME TO AGGRAVATE THE INTRA-LABOUR STRUGGLE! LIQUIDATE THE BLAIRITES!
Drive a stake in to the party and laugh as it dies.
I'm voting from abroad for the first time. And AFAIK Labour has never won in my district, but Libdems have previously. Is there any way to find out what the predictions are for specific districts, to strategically oppose the conservatives? If I know Labour won't win, I'll at least try and help take a conservative seat away.
Libdem have been loosing in popularity over the last few years, but labour still isn't close (nor have they ever been). And since I'm overseas, I have no idea what's happening, or who's popular and who isn't.
LD look like they're gonna get wiped out m8, wouldn't surprise me if every LD vote is a wasted vote.
Two options: 1) Vote LD to cuck the Tories out of a seat, hilarity may ensue if Labour win the popular vote and they form a coalition with each other again (this is actually the ideal outcome of the GE) 2) Vote Labour to increase their national vote share to fuck with Blairites
IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING
When has real socialism come out of anywhere?
Conservatives haven't been "shy" for a while now. The only thing that's supposed to be embarrassing is supporting Jezza as the media will never let you forget
corbyn isn't a neoliberal, he's a zombie keynesian by accident.
except that actual socdems (not neolibs in red ties.) have a track record of improving conditions and living standards.
even from a revolutionary perspective socdems ensure the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, whereas the neoliberal recovery has temporarily abated it.
You went around Poland asking random people who would win?
they don't need to leave britain to get a poles opinion
nice, but learn to redtext
I have many friends who went wage slaving a little to britain after high school to learn better english, they returned with almost fluent polish.
support corbyn like a rope supports a hanging man.
his position fighting for right of first refusal for workers makes him more than a socdem imo
Can't meander the Sanders tbh
Smoking is NOT moe!
This may have been true in the 1950's, but when have this happened under neoliberalism? From my perspective you have no real game plan for actually implementing social democracy(unlike the socdem forefathers), your only goal is winning the election.
essentially never, which is why i hate it. the closest thing i actually have a plan is just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, because frankly we have nothing to lose. if the policies fail, at least we implemented them.
i can't even think of any actual socdems who've been elected in first world countries since the 1990s, nearly every single one is a traitor. (power structures kind of do that to you, though one method is by telling you there's no alternative - we really need to develop the ability to reply "then there's nothing to lose by trying this first…") this problem is compounded by the fact that when someone with any good policies is put forward, he's usually unelectable for other reasons, or the party itself is in an awful state. (so you fail at the first hurdle and never implement anything.)
at this point a nuclear war would be a tempting proposition if it would destroy the infrastructure of neoliberalism tbh. i spend more time defending our record historically than coherently planning for the future, because the only thing i see in the future is misery.
which means there's nothing to lose by trying something new.
I'm glad you agree that accusing someone of not being socialist enough is a personal attack and therefor off limits. That's exactly what was doing. Fuck people like that.
well now that the paid "isis" agent has done his job how long after the massive election loss before labour bars corbyn from the party?
I work two jobs to get by. I also have no illusions that social democracy is going to do anything except prolong capitalism.
Just let capitalism tear it self apart already
Also im not trying to be an edgy revolutionary larper, i supported Mélenchon and that fucker went back on so many promises to look good for the media. I should've rooted for poutou.
Funny how none of the whining fucks at the time called me out on it.
it's accurate though The alt-right is only growing in the US because they're not total dickheads to white people and the left is.
If that's the reason why is the aut right predominantly non white
Well firstly many people in his base didnt like hes manipulatie tactics between the two rounds of voting, he didn't oppose lepen or state who hes voting for in fear of "splitting his voter base" this makes it sound like his voters are sheep that follow him like a shepherd and that if he tells us who hes voting for then well flock and/or he doesn't want to lose his conservative left voter base. This made him sound like a sly fuck to a lot of us. Secondly a major backtrack point is his "livable" minimum wage proposition, he wanted to increase the minimum wage in France to 1300 euros however most workers associations in france agree that livable minimum wage should be at least 1800 euros a month. There were other back tracks but those were the ones I remember.
no it's not
Did you not see the HWNDU streams? Oodles and oodles of non-white Holla Forumsacks showed up.
Nobody on Holla Forums is white
If Holla Forums can win an election with memes, them we can!
probably necessary context for those of us who don't remember the insufferable 2005 election campaign.
Sargon is voting for the conservatives LMAO
Do people think hes still a centrist?
He spent so much time on inane internet spats he jumped the shark Does he even give a fuck about May's pledge to control the internet? Of course not, like any post-GG mouthbreather all he care about is sticking it to 'le sjw'. I also hate how these Holla Forumstards appropriate ancient civilizations for their imagery.
This is really funny because I don't know a single person born after 1980 that genuinely values the Labour Party as a vehicle, rather than occasionally (read: once in their life time) valuing the man driving it.
SUDDENLY TERRORIST ATTACK
The retard actually says it's because May has the right policies wrt Islam and refugees. I'm guessing the response to the terrorist attack that happened regardless is because she "didn't go far enough" and "at least the lefties aren't in charge or it would have been worse".
These are mainstream rags, lads. This is fucking habbening. The tides are turning. I know he still has the majority of the Murdoch media empire against him, I know that the polls still have the Tories clinching the win. But don't forget too; if the mainstream press predicted things accurately, then Corbyn would have lost the last election coup, Brexit would never have happened, and Hilary Clinton would be president of the USA.
Gamergate ran it's course. He does no longer need to pretend he's a centrist. It is very important to call him out on this though, since Chairman May WILL impose some harsh internet laws, which will be incompatible with GamerGate, but which Sargon will either sugarcoat or not address at all. We have him by the balls here, a good opportunity to alienate him from his base.
Isn’t his economic minister a true socialist. That could change my option of him.
I once went to public meeting where John McDonnell spoke and he addressed the room with "Good evening, comrades!"
I remember him calling himself a liberal not long ago and even a leftist in distance past. Guess he now aims for the Holla Forums demographic.
Theresa May has seen her poll lead slump from a projected majority of 150 seats to around 46. The PM called the snap election to ‘strengthen her hand’ but she is now seeing a poll give her less than a 10 per cent lead. Labour has risen to between 33 and 35 per cent. The Conservatives have struggled after they launched their manifesto this week.
GET B T F O, CONSERVACUCKS
How will the Manchester bombings affect things?
The default is it gives a boost to the right because they're viewed as better at stemming terrorism despite all evidence to the contrary. The good news is that in this reality it will also provide new and exciting ways for May to put her foot in her mouth and prove once again that she may actually be the worst campaigner in all of politics
Going to be impossible to say until Monday I imagine.