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in america, what do you think has more appeal and why?

mutualism
anarcho-collectivism
anarcho-communism

bordigism
luxemburgism
communalism
situationism

leninism
stalinism
maoism
trotskyism

id say mutualism because it doesnt go so far as to abolish markets but people can still get behind collectively owning the means of production. it plays perfectly into the hands of the "self made man" narrative.

or maoism because then first worlders dont have to do much of anything

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Hot take: they are all shit, I want something new

Definitely situationism, the spectacle is here.

I still struggle to understand what Mutualism is.

Mutualism.

Americans, even the fascist ones still love capitalism. And Anarchy is pretty close to lolbertarianism and that shits pretty popular.

Luckily there's a great book that explains how mutualism operates.

All no-gos because of Red Scare propaganda


All no-gos because the words are too big.

anarcho-collectivism
anarcho-communism

No-gos because they have hyphens and Americans hate hyphens.


We have a winner.

What is situationism plan even? Isn't it just analysis of culture mostly?


Kekked.

You might as well just advocate social democracy.

What about DeLeonism? It has a cool ring to it and is American made. Americans love made in America ideology.

Learn to fucking read.

OP didn't ask which one is best or which one is most anti-capitalist. He asked which one has most appeal in America and that would irrefutably be Mutalism.

Yes, but, the post means "what are americans more capable of accepting.

Isn't situationism about taking set culture and using it… hmmm.. you actually have a point…

BRING 80s B MOVIES BACK!

anarcho-syndicalism. Could play off distrust for government and animosity towards bosses while avoiding the muh gorgillions kneejerk socialism or communism would get.

fascism is capitalism lol wut

Is Situationism even an ideology or was it only a small movement? I was called a Situationist before on here on account of me holding different views of what is best policy or ideology depending on circumstances and cultural conditions.

something like mutualism or market socialism would be the most likely to get popular in America because Americans are so obsessed with markets.
Pretty sure that's why people like Wolff shill for workers co-ops so much.

Shut up you fucking cuck

anarchism probably

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I mean, he was a neoliberal

not really, he was a neoclassical economically and conservative socially.
neoliberalism kicked off with clinton.

You can't be serious.

Widespread exporting and automation was already taking place by the mid-70's. The Reagan single-handedly dismantled the welfare state.

"Reaganomics" was literally just neoliberalism with a different name.

reaganomics is just standard neoclassical economics, like the trash pushed by the chicago school.
neoliberalism is more of the same, but with "social liberalism" (basically just idpol), as embodied by centre """"""left""""""" politicians like schroder, blair, clinton etc.
i mean, if the definitions have changed again because of retards misuing the word then so be it, but those were the definitions at the time the term was coined

dude, neoliberalism is not what's called "liberalism" in the US today.

Read A Brief History Of Neoliberalism by Harvey. Reagan, along with Thatcher and Deng, were at the forefront of capitalism's evolution into today's form.

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I think syndicalism is the best shot for America, it really jives with the whole "American dream" bullshit

How so?

The Situationists were council communists. Though they have a lot of extra theory on culture and capitalism and shit I believe they share pretty much the same councilism as Socialism ou Barbarie.

Neoliberalism is not a political philosophy, it's originally a historical term to refer to era after Keynesianism, which later came to describe the specific economic policies associated with that era.

Pick one.

Pick one

Dem sox

Social democracy i.e. almost everything on that list, just look at Bernie's popularity.

Going by appeal and Americans' likelihood of acceptance?

Mutualism. Burgers love them muh free market and acaps are popular because of the no true free market meme. Freed markets is a concept I think a lot of Americans would jump on, especially with all the "populist" sentiment right now. It might work is a stepping stone to socialism.

I'd put communalism second because Bookchin writes well and The Next Revolution can seem like a revelation to people who're unfamiliar with the left.

All the rest would not work in the US as it exists now, period. The cold war is still to present in people's minds for anything associated with the USSR to fly, and American leftists who don't get this are completely delusional. Yeah, it's nice that 51% of American millennials are against capitalism, but few know what that means other than "shit's on fire, yo" and even Gen X is turbo-spooked on anything with a red tint. Sure you could get a sizeable group of [theorist]ists, but even if they somehow overthrew the government and established something else, the counterrevolution would destroy it because most Americans have at some point fantasized about defending their homeland from commies overtaking it.

Stalinism and Maoism aren't going to work, both in the sense that the conditions those ideologies were based around aren't really present in the US and in the sense that there is too much bad blood in the sphere of public relations thanks to the spectres of the Cold War.

Leninism MAY be viable at least as far as strategy goes (though many might argue that the Vanguard Party is something of a historical artifact given the changes in material conditions that have come about in the later 20th and 21st century). However, pretty much any actual reference to Lenin would need to be stripped and the ideology would have to undergo massive re-branding if it doesn't want to fall prey to the same problems as ML/Maoism.

Trotskyism would likely amount to what it is now, which is to say a platform for social democracy. Otherwise it will fall to the same problems as all the other branches of Leninism if it actually tries to pursue a revolutionary program.

Bordigism's connections to Leninism are just obscure enough that most Americans probably wouldn't make the connection, but most would likely reject it due to its focus on centralism and rejection of democratic methods.

As far as I am aware, Situationism really doesn't have any concise political programs/policy tied to it, so who knows where that could even be taken. It would likely have some decent appeal as a form of critique however if we were to see a larger rejection of consumer capitalism and mass media manipulation.

Luxemburgism or other ideas cut from the same cloth are probably the only bet explicitly Marxist ideologies have of penetrating the American political consciousness.

Ancom appeals to many of the sensibilities that the American public holds to be of importance, but the terminology would again need to be re-branded so as to help sever it from the muddied historical legacy of the Cold War while still retaining the central principles of the ideology. Communalism is, for all intents and purposes, an example of such re-branding.

Anarcho-collectivism would be in a similar situation as ancom, but with the slight advantage that it doesn't have to bother with obtuse discussions of how "X person deserves a greater wage than Y" despite the fact that one of the central tenants of ancom is the wholesale abolition of wages as a functional concept. Ancol or ancom would probably be best implemented through some variation of syndicalism considering both its historical presence in the US and use of unions as an alternative to other organizational tactics that have thus far had considerably less success in mobilizing workers towards collective action.

All in all, as OP and many other have said, Mutualism is probably the best bet, which is unfortunate considering it sees the least amount of change from modern capitalism when compared to many of the other ideologies listed.

These.