Holla Forums Straw Poll: Would You Consider Yourself Religious Or In Any Way Spiritual?

I prefer to catholics over protestants all the time, they tend to be open for socialism as catholicism is very critical of capitalism while protestantism is massively classcucked with muh predestination.

It says "not crusader LARPer", not "not Muslim". Crusader LARPers are history nerds who think they're Christian cuz they like Mediaeval religious wars and shit.

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What is this supposed to mean? What kind of stance is this supposed to be? This is so flumsy it doesn't mean anything.

It means you don't believe in virgin births and talking snakes, but don't rule out the existence of souls/spirits/life after death or reincarnation/etcetera. Basically, not religious, but also not an atheist.

Many influential protestants like Reinhold Niebuhr, Karl Barth and MLK were socialists at least at some point in their lives. Obviously with all the megachurches and prosperity gospel bullshit many american prots nowadays are pretty classcucked but it wasn't always like that.

All kinds of mundane shit isn't explained by science. We don't know why whales sing. Doesn't mean whales are magic. This definition is just a god of the gaps argument at its core. Any sufficiently studied magic is indistinguishable from science.

That's why it's such a popular opinion. :^)

American "Christians" have always been class-cucked in one way or the other. Why do you think Irish Catholics were so reviled and black protestants weren't even allowed to pray in the sane churches as h'wite Christians till the 70s?

How are these things any less religious than talking snakes? To me they sound just as equally religious. I seems like the person making the survey drew an arbitrary line based on his own religious biases.

…why are you telling me bout it and not just voting option #1?

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You ever had a near death experience? Anything ever happen to you that's just so logic defying to just be a coincidence? Weird shit like this can make an atheist open his mind to the "unexplainable", fam. That's what I base my answer to this question on.

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Sounds like an idealistic nonsense taken out of context tbh.

I think everything adheres to natural laws (materialism) but that there are likely alien life forms in space or in parts of reality we don't understand or perceive. I also think there's crazy shit that the average person today would consider magic hidden in the subconscious by ideology and general ignorance of psychology. I also think religion attempts to parse this but mostly amounts to some of the ideology that hides it.

What does that make me?

There are also people these days claiming they have encountered talking animals these days. Why are there accounts less valuable then the other 'spiritual' ones? Again, this is an arbitrary line based on personal bias.

God spot here, ask me anything. :)

Either answer #3 or answer #4.

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I had spiritual experiences myself. No /x/-tier shit but unexplainable. Sure it may as well just be it was all a coincidence.

I mean what do you expect, how am I supposed to verify something which is entirely beyond our reach of empirical evidence? I don't care if it's a popular opinion, new atheism is a vulgar reductionism.

Good job this poll ain't no peer reviewed scientific study, but just a straw poll based on *personal beliefs*. You're free to just cast your vote and keep it moving. You ain't gotta empirically prove God's existence before giving an answer, comrade.

I'm aware of that. All I was saying is that there was a time when people like Norman Thomas and Reinhold Niebuhr, both Christians influenced by Calvin were influential figures in the Socialist Party of America which is just something you don't see today.

I don't know, youcould accept that human perception is prone to errors and false conclusions? That it's a million times more likely your spiritual experience is your mind mistaking instead of based on supernatural stuff?

I've seen objects disappear before my eyes at random and reappear somewhere else in the building a couple times. Doesn't mean something magical happened. My brain just made a mistake interpreting what I saw. If your first thought isn't "perception is flawed" you should spend some time reading up on and looking at optical illusions.

Like telepathy and shit or what? It does sounds a bit crazy in a way you put it.

No, no you are wrong. These are the invisible fairies!!

Not calling Christians bigots, but homosexuality used to be seen as bourgeois decadence. Just something to consider about the supposed wisdom of our predecessors.

Some communists thought the same way.

Rich people and nobility are gay?

I've had the voice of my grandma talking to me in a state of half-sleep 10 minutes after she died. That's an insane coincidence because I never had that sort of experience before.

I've been suffering from sleep paralysis a lot which caused several out of body experiences where I could float out to the hallway of my house, where I could observe my neighbor placing 3 water bottles on front of the door. When I checked when I was awake, I saw those 3 bottles which weren't there the last time.

Sure you can just tell me that's all in my head or that I'm insane but that's a piss-poor explanation for it.

I mean like the shit that comes out when people take psychedelics. Hyper awareness for example. We know there's all kinds of shit people perceive subconsciously that seems superhuman when they get conscious awareness of it. As for telepathy, no. But there are all kinds of biological signals like pheromones that may seem like telepathy. We're very keyed in to each other all the time, but most of that action happens "out of view" if you will. If our consciousness was restructured to be more aware of that kind of thing, maybe less aware of some things, I think humans could function at a level we would think of as savant-like.

That's what I was referring to. Our predecessors.

People used to think so.

What's so unrealistic about telepathy? We can already measure the brain waves emitting from our heads. That means that it could technically be possible that they would have a material impact.

Sleep paralysis is fucking terrifying even without…"them" showing up.

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Makes sense. They look soft and even feminine in old portraits and shit.

I've learned to cope with it, you only having horror visions because of the state of fear in which you are in.

When you are chill, your brain might as well give you a thicc model sitting on you.

That stuff is in line with this here people on certain drugs will gain the level of awareness you describe with the water bottles. As for your grandma, that's both being tuned in to other people (you probably could glean enough to know roughly when she'd go) and how the "god spot" type of thing is wired in us socially. And I don't dismiss the possibility of quantum entanglement or something similar between social animals.

Lmao, experiences like this are very common in half-sleep states. It's so common psychologists have to send people away thinking they have schizophrenia because they just heard some voices while falling asleep.

These are very common and they are not special experiences, on the other hand you are not insane. So don't sweat it.

It's on the same level of children thinking they can look into future when they experience their first déjà-vus.

This was intentional to portray them as one who doesn't have to work - therefore the pale, unspoiled skin.

Our perception of beauty as changed since then. You are more likely to be considered an outcast when you are pale, and you are chad when you got tan.

I'm not talking about the fact that I had a half-sleep experience, I talk about the fact that this was 10 after my grandma died which I had no way of knowing at that point.

I believe something like this might as well be the case.

It's possible that your memory has changed to make you believe this. When put under scrutiny it's frankly terrifying how much memory changes.

Im officially christian lutherian but not religious or spiritual in my beliefs. I still admire the moral philosophy of Jesus.

Fuckin LaMarckian evolution has turned out to exist via epigenetics so who the fuck knows anymore.

Eh, I don't know, I've taken them a couple of times, and I had a friend who was using them hard, and believe me there is nothing supernatural about it, especially if you already have a materialistic worldview and understand how they work.
Believe me there is nothing deeply enlightening nor supernatural about it. Or something that you would be unable to figure out without drugs.

With some futuristic technology - maybe, without it - same as believing in invisible gnomes.

But I woke up and only heard about her death one hour later. I could clearly remember that experience within that hour. I'm not making this up and I'm not diagnosed with severe schizophrenia. I'm not taking any drugs either.

Trust me, I've already ask myself all these questions.

Like I said. You half-dreamed about a close person who was dying during this time? I fail to see the supernatural experience here.

I'm so sick of this meme

I never dreamed about my grandma before and it was more like a sleep paralysis experience of hearing her voice instead of just a regular dream. She wasn't dying or in the hospital before, she got a stroke in the kitchen.

As I said, it's possible it's an insane coincidence.

Like a real life wet dream. Nice.

You might even just heard a women's voice and retroactively as the voice of your grandma. Incredible common, memories are fuzzy. Thinking that this is in some way supernatural is a huge jump in conclusions.

Do you hack your hand off if you get turned out by a woman that is the girlfriend of someone else? Because this what Jesus would do.

I know. Chinese emperors even grew their nails as long as they could to show they were above manual labour.

I could clearly identify it as the voice of my grandma between the experience and the notification brought forth to me that she's dead. I wouldn't post this shit here unless I wasn't sure about it myself. I have a pretty good sense of reflection and usually don't jump to conclusions outside of Occams knife.

I'd recommend you vote either #1 or #4.

The Christian percentage will increase two-fold once all the Murrikans have woken up.

Didn't say it's supernatural or you need drugs. I just think we're operating so far below maximum it would amaze us. I think that's why the 10% of your brain meme is so popular, we subconsciously have a sense of this but the subconscious has little way to communicate that sort of thing aside from responding emotionally to a meme like that.

I didn't mean it that literally, just to illustrate the concept. If spoopy action at a distance is possible in social animals it would be extremely advantageous.

I'm not fully against the idea of religion and many of them seem pretty chill. The problem is how the people of the religion interpret it and carry it out.

I hope you realize that religion is pretty 'chill' right now in the West because it has been castrasted and neutered in what often were bloody conflicts?

Yeah obviously. I guess thats the issue with most of them.

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I guess I can agree about not operating on full potential, but then again from the materialistic perspective there is nothing special about it or that there is some spooky potential that would open to us some new world that we would be unable to grasp rationaly at our current stage.
Also this 10% meme is usually taken out of context in a sense that it actually means that we use 10% of our brain at any given moment, as a sort of a resource management, and not in a sense that we only use 10% of it at all and that there are some suprepowers hidden inside us.

AKA The Spanish Inquisition! *Dramatic music*

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