This is a thread for everyone who accepts that the USSR and pre-70s China and everything associated with them were the best socialism could achieve in the 20th century and thinks their models are still worth replicating today
Talk about Lenin, Stalin, Mao, the DPRK, imperialism etc
Anarchists not allowed, NazBols welcome but please try not to get too autistic
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For fuck's sake, you don't have to be a tankie to like the USSR. I don't defend Stalin's or Mao's mistakes.
I would rather live in post Stalinist Russia then in Maoist China.
Titoist Yugoslavia still wins my heart
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This. I cannot stress how much I agree with this enough.
But there was a better example of socialism in the 20th century.
*Edgy teenager voice* I was born in the wrong generation!
Still dunno what "Titoism" is.
Market socialism basically.
Capitalist-Socialism?
Well what do you understand "capitalism" to mean?
In market socialism and in Yugoslavia the idea was that the workers would democratically self-manage their work places rather than be privately owned enterprises. Which seems antithetical to capitalism.
Sounds like capitalism, but without usury or owning the means of production. Isn't that what all communist countries did during the time of Titoism though?
No, in most communist-led states they had planned economies which generally more resembled a top-down co-ordination of the economy than worker self-management.
In most of those countries it was more like the state was one massive communist-themed private enterprise with a monopoly on everything within their borders than the workers having any meaningful control.
I guess, but The Soviet Union managed to keep The Capitalist States Of Amerikkka at bay from an economic and military standpoint though and they even made it into space 4 times before the first American astronaut successfully left the planet and built the world's first operational space station along with the world's first satellite. Maybe central planning isn't so bad after all…
Yeah that's pretty cool and everything but you don't necessarily need to be socialist or empower your working class to do that.
I mean The British Empire was way more powerful than America and invented a bunch of stuff. That doesn't mean we should aim to replicate their system just because they were at one point economically and militarily more powerful than the United States.
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Please don't put Mao on the same category as Stalin. Stalin was perfect and he dreamed of a USSR without corrupted minded people
Mao was a son of a wealthy farmer who thought of himself as too good to work manual labour. Under normal circumstances it's peopel like Mao that should have been sent to die in the gulag first, because he was just a lazy ass bastard which dreamed of absolute power.
I sorta agree with this. Mao, while a good military leader and a progressive revolutionary was a revisionist and Stalin called him a margarine communist for a reason. He believes the PRC had merely just gone through the stage of bourgeois revolution that it wasn't close to socialism. The whole history of Maoist China was an experiment in post-colonial, third world autism and how far it could go.
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Anyone else here dig Hoxhaism? It's pretty cool, I like how it continues and develops the old Bolshevik line of Lenin and Stalin. Maoism and unironic tankieism never really did it for me, reading Stalin and Mao side-by-side are almost worlds apart that's why Maoists never really do it.
I really like Hoxha's analysis of Maoism btw after reading it a lot of the retardation I saw on reddit (which is infested by Maoism) made sense.
If anybody cares we still got Holla Forums discord for coordination and theory learning. The administration is Marxist-Leninist anti-opportunist anti-revisionist. Just as you like. Join us. discord.gg
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Stop forcing it, it's a shit thread.
I'm just helping. I don't know the creator.
GUYS WE GOTTA GET FREEDOM AND LIBERATION FOR PEOPLETHAT IS INHERENTLY FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY UNDER CAPITALISM
GUYS LETS ACHIEVE THIS BY MAKING A WHOLE ECONOMIC AND GOVERNMENT SYSTEM WHERE FREEDOM AND LIBERATION ARE FORCIBLY DESTROYED
Fuck Jason Unruhe.
What did he do?
Disparaging the achievements and progressive effects of the Soviet Union and Maoist China only tells of poor knowledge of history and in some cases even orientalist attitudes. Fuck, i'm not even a Marxist-Leninist and don't think they got even close to socialism but there was a honest attempt. Hundreds of millions people were lifted from poverty and for the first time got access to universal education and healthcare.
Beware of computers, they're bourgeois!
Yeah, along with engineering, medicine and other trivialities. This is a toxic attitude which reveals your western muh privilege.
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Under a proper Marxist-Leninist state, freedom and liberty would not be destroyed.
I would better do a witch from the video. But I'm far from Canada
Yes, in a proper M-L state freedom and liberty wouldn't even exist to need to be destroyed.
Finally someone says that I am welcome somewhere on this board. Yay.
It's Hatsune Miku and it's not an anime but Vocaloid (Vocal Android), music synthesizer program
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What do the men listed here have in common? All were anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist. Reason enough it seems to end up on the shitlist of bourgeois liberals and pseudo-socialists
Enver Hoxha
Houari Boumediene
Mao Zedong
Todor Zhivkov
Fidel Castro
Antonín Novotný
Gamal Abdel Nasser
Muammar Gaddafi
Mengistu Haile Mariam
Walter Ulbricht
Erich Honecker
János Kádár
Saddam Hussein
Kim Il-sung
Kim Jong Il
Ho Chi Minh
Nicolae Ceaușescu
Joseph Stalin
Leonid Brezhnev
Bolesław Bierut
Hafez al-Assad
Bashar al-Assad
Slobodan Milošević
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OP you made a bad mistake. Nationalism spooks running amok in this here tankie thread. Some one call a paranormal investigator!
Muh girls will save us!
Stalin made only one mistake: not killing enough counter revolutionaries.