Finnish realpolitik (ME ME ME edition)

Comrades, due to my colossal failure in city council/municipal elections I have been seriously considering changing my party membership either to social democratic party or the green party before the regional elections take place in 2018. Discussions that I have had with my more politically aware/active friends and associates have clearly shown their dislike for the idea, albeit the fact that IF I had been member of either of those parties in the elections I would have seat on the city council right at this moment.

Should I throw out my current party membership with the leftist alliance and jump onto the Greens/socdems train and turn down my rhetoric to garner more support along with actual change into entering politics(outside of the party politics that is)?

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Now I'm politically retarded and not a finn, so dont take what I say too seriously
but the idea of achieving leftist change through a not-leftist party sounds wrong.
unless you're gonna massively reform them from within somehow wouldnt it just go like, you cant talk about that much without screwing yourself, you achieve extremely little beyond that parties goals, and most anything you get done outside said goals gets reversed
again, though, I wouldnt treat anything I say too seriously

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Make a Socialist party.

Both of those parties have swinged towards the left in the last election cycle. Only way to constructively change the political line is participation on local and higher levels of the party.

Finnish electorate is too entrenched in the current parties due to our voting method and there would be no way of getting effectively elected into higher political officers form city council level without membership or voting coalition/alliance with the bigger parties.

do whats necessary to get elected, once in power turn leftist

Individual can`t change politics at all. I believe that we need stronger in-group preferences and cliques.

I remember hearing about the elections, but I didn't hear about the results? What were they?

98 votes in total. Party would have collectively needed 150 more to get even one seat. If I had been member of social democratic party I would have deputy seat right now(in greens I could had a full seat to myself).

Basically Greens rose in votes into 15% range while socdems and left alliance restored some of their support by 2 to 6% representatively.

fight for what you believe in else the lies will consume you

Ah. Well, kinda like what some other guy said above, trying to bring leftist change to a not so leftist party just doesn't seem like it'd do much, but if they really have moved left recently, then it could probably be worth a shot. If I were you, Id' probably just stick to my guns with the Leftist Alliance and go from there. If I'm forced to change, then maybe go with the Greens.

Chin up, Finn. At least you have proportional representation.

Here in burger-land I'm dealing with a single seat FPTP election. Pretending to be a Democrat is hard.

Thank fuck Bernie came along and gave me cover to criticize the Dems for sucking.

The garden department of the Coalition party? Massive focus on the worst aspects of the eco-movement G.M.Os and anti-nuclear energy? Anti-materialist shilling for small local company capitalism?

soulless neolibs, but prob go with the wind because they have no morals, no ideology and no backbone, maybe you could bribe the power-hungry bastards with promises of political influence to adopt some pseudo-left ideas
possibly the least trustworthy party of all both historically and in the modern day

then again all options are worse.

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The Nazi is right y'know.

You should join whatever party has the most qts tbh.

Yes, do it. The left spends too much time mulling over what the right thing to do is, while the right just does whatever is most effective. If you want to beat them, you have to play the game in the optimal way.

Everything is fine in local politics. Personally I would push for permanent democratizing measures which you can do in any party. Because who is against democracy?

Like involving randomly selected citizens in city planning or making citzen assemblies more relevant. This can have a long term effects at isnt as easily disassembled.

And even if you dont want to do that experience in parliamentary local politics and lowering the pain of inhabitants is invaluable and you can allways change back to another party.

Well, there's two possibilities here.
1. You actually think that government is where it's at. In this case I don't care at all.
2. When you make your way into power, you actually will use it to the maximum by making a lot of noise with radically new and different anti-capitalist ideas and slogans like "Maahanmuuttoa tehdään pääoman ehdoilla ja työlainen maksaa viulut" and "Homoavioliitto on hämäystä" and "Kapitalistinen työpaikka on diktatuuri" which I'm all for.

First of all, get rid of the autist beard. My gott.

bourgeois politics is where people who actually want to change the world go to die


there isn't nearly enough porn of this character to satisfy my demands, so much for capitalism being efficient

Please
Also what is it with Finns and looking so.. off?

wait, people know who OP is?

SDP isn't leftist. Greens even less so. Why do you want to do left politics in those parties? A new wave of left populism will soon be upon us and the Left Alliance can ride on that. It's the only "major" party which has democratic socialism in their program, even in a roundabout way. Right wing populism has ran its course in this country and there lies a great possibility.

Bearded leftists>non-bearded leftists

Lähinnä aijon ajaa mustajärven linjaa tähän asiaan liittyen puolueen sisällä.

finns are the great european mystery