Are you enjoying watching the alt right eat itself alive?

Given the left's propensity for cannibalism and the actual definition of alt-right being simply "anyone I THINK is to the right of me on any particular issue whatsoever", this thread is hilarious and not for the reasons you idiots think.

Do go on with your circlejerking and auto-fellating, though, there is nothing funnier to me than seeing an enemy who is convinced he has won when nothing could be farther from the truth.

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I hope they keep doing this.
The more they call moderate neocons and liberals commies, the more it herds them in our direction.

No, I'm pretty sure we have self awareness considering it's a running joke here. You may not be as smart as you think.

Remind me, what dimension of chess is this again?

Let them keep thinking that user.

Meanwhile nobody can even define what the alt right is apart from that it came to Hillary Clinton in a dream she had while recovering from pneumonia.

See, here's the thing, and I really doubt any of you are self-aware enough or smart enough to grasp this.

You are all necessarily authoritarians and most of you are some shade of socialist, if not outright communist.

You have created this wonderful strawman called "fascism" to knock over whenever the mood strikes you, mainly whenever you get any sort of pushback.

The thing you don't get, and probably never will get, is that you have been fighting your own kin for some time now. Le Pen was, frankly, a fucking socialist. The Nazis were socialists. Even when you leftists dress up your socialism in nationalist or ethno-nationalist garb, it's still fucking socialism.

This is a failing of Holla Forums's, to be sure, as well. They're convinced they're the "one true right wing" when they're nothing of the sort. Holla Forums and Holla Forums are not even close to being diametric opposites - they are simply two different presentations of the same goddamn shit. You two are so much alike that it's hard to believe you haven't kissed and made up by now, honestly. Then again, maybe that's WHY you haven't kissed and made up - because you are both consumed with such self-loathing and every time you look at each other you see more of yourself in them than you'd like.

You are exceedingly foolish if you actually think you've won much of anything, particularly in France. Macron is a banker's pet and will be more than happy to let them do whatever they please to the "proletariat", as you would call them.

So yes, I am actually laughing pretty damn hard here. If only the rest of us could get you and Holla Forums to kill each other off completely, that would be fucking fantastic. In any event, I find the rivalry between Holla Forums and Holla Forums fairly useful, and the only reason I don't troll Holla Forums more often is because honestly they're actually a lot better about not biting bait. You faggots bite it every single time, and only after the hook has been well and set do you realize your mistake and delete the thread entirely so that you can pretend it never happened.

You're both lolcows, it's just that Holla Forums tends to kick more when I milk them.

Not reading all that Very Smart bullshit, my reddit spacing friend.

liberal ideology - the post

By all means, ignore it. I'm pretty much counting on you fools to be blissfully ignorant of what direction the sword is actually going to come from. I'm laughing now and I'll be laughing when we kick your body into the same ditch as Holla Forums's.

This is one where the centrists are right.

Leftypol and pol have both become reflections of each other.

I'm a Euro so I'm pretty content with all of the USA murdering each other. It's one of the most ideal scenarios in my mind.

same
I want to see grease flow on the streets of America

No. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
Did the Nazis made workers the sole owners of the German industry ? No they didn't
Lurk moar.

Libertarian socialism is the most incredibly retarded attempt I have ever seen at making a necessarily authoritarian thing something it isn't. Also, wikipedia as a source for a political topic. Gud jorb.

Socialism by its very nature requires those under it to cede autonomy and resources to an authority considered beyond reproach. You can tell yourself that you're WILLINGLY doing these things all you like, just like how a person having a gun held to their head can tell themselves they are WILLINGLY obeying the gunman's orders. Whether you dress the authority figure as the Party or as "the people" matters little.

Of course they didnt do that. It would be anarchy. Nothing would get done. Have you heard the phrase too many chiefs not enoug Indians?

They did make the German state the defacto owners of German industry which is the same as all modern socialist countries.

Nobody here thinks they won anything in France. Anyone here who actually had a dog in that fight wanted Melenchon, much like what happened with Bernie Sanders. The rest just wanted Holla Forums tears, and France fucking delivered.

Leftist slappyfights are terribly amusing to the rest of us, in case you haven't picked up on that already.

except for all the times in history where workers councils have worked fine until they were dissolved by force.

I had to read it just to see what kind of delusional process would make that work.
Turns out its just something pushed by rich bohemians like Marx and Wilde. They havent really gone as far as figuring out how it would work Its just a nice sounding idea.

Libertarian socialism is the most incredibly retarded attempt I have ever seen at making a necessarily authoritarian thing something it isn't.

So you literally know nothing about and still find a way to complain about it.

Half this board is laughing at your ignorance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization#Etymology

kill yourself, fence sitting faggot

Is that your "Educate yourself, sinner" moment?

I'm sorry to break this to you, but you're really not impressing me.

My gods you really are this stupid.

Hey, so what's your favorite South Park episode?

Stop replying to the attention whoring polyp you retards.

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Wouldn't know, don't watch TV, haven't for a while.

Damn if this isn't fun.

Not an argument.
Then, google Bakunin, Kropotkin, Emma Goldman, Rosa Luxemburg, Guy Debord, Bookchin or Rojava if you aren't satisfied with Wikipedia.
You don't know a single thing about anarchism, councilism or communalism, do you ?
Not to mention, the end goal of Marxism is to abolish the state. Marxist-Leninists failed in that regard, and that's why we shouldn't strive to repeat their mistakes. Only tankies are too retarded to understand that.

LURK MOAR

How often do you fantasize about sucking Matt Stone and Trey Parker's cocks?

Confirmed for not as smart as you think yourself.

The Economist magazine introduced the term in the 1930s in covering Nazi German economic policy.
The Economist magazine introduced the term in the 1930s in covering Nazi German economic policy.
The Economist magazine introduced the term in the 1930s in covering Nazi German economic policy.
The Economist magazine introduced the term in the 1930s in covering Nazi German economic policy.
The Economist magazine introduced the term in the 1930s in covering Nazi German economic policy.
The Economist magazine introduced the term in the 1930s in covering Nazi German economic policy.

There, now you don't have to check wikipedia.

Stop replying to him you shitposting little faggot.

Do not respond to attention whoring Holla Forumslocks.

Im sure it would work in some hipster coffee shop or something but not real industry.

If someone told me I owned the super expensive machine tools I use at work I would arrange for a truck to take them home with me.

Not to mention, the end goal of Marxism is to abolish the state. Marxist-Leninists failed in that regard, and that's why we shouldn't strive to repeat their mistakes. Only tankies are too retarded to understand that.

You keep doing it. You keep making the same damn mistakes, over and over and over again. You keep telling yourselves "This is the time we'll get to our magical stateless society!" over and over again and you fail EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Sure you weren't, dear.

except for all the times in history where workers councils in industry have worked fine until they were dissolved by force.

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Congrats on being a fucking retard. Socialism isn't a transfer of private property, it's the negation of it.

Myspace was great until it failed.

Ah so under socialism nobody owns the means of production?

Kill yourself you autistic faggots.

Well, you can't fix stupid.

These people are what the Soviets called 'useful idiots'.

Considering the fact Holla Forums considers anything that isn't hardcore ethno-nationalist, "cucked", they'll always be the outliers of any large right wing "movement". We should be rejoicing at this, considering this is the beginning of the end for them, and we should even be exploiting this, and fanning the flames.

Honestly they come up with increasingly genius ways to fan the flames of their own demise anyway, they exist pretty much in a complete vacuum - all they've done is extend the vacuum to enclaves on facebook, reddit and twitter.

Its interesting that right wingers can group together despite disagreeing on so much.

Where as on the left thats impossible. There are certain things that we all have to agree on to not get ostracized from the movement. Like imagine if you said trannies were victoms of a mental illness called gender dysphoria. Thats you kicked out of the movement.

strawman harder, faggot

It's easy for the right to gather around what is largely the status quo. They don't really have to do any thinking about the methods of restructuring the current society the way that leftists do and where leftist disagreements usually occur.

Have you forgotten what thread you're posting in?

You idiots keep doing it every time you get any amount of power.

It's almost like the basic principles of socialism and communism lend themselves to serving the ends of the power-hungry.

Funny about that.

He keeps doing it!

Until we can fix that we are never going to grow because we always alienate people for having ever so slightly different opinions to the mandated group think.

Where as the right can hold a conversation with people they dont fully agree with which serves as a starting point to convince them and bring them in to their group.

First of all, the public opinion of the Western youth tend to increasingly shift the extremes of the left-right spectrum (The most popular presidential candidates in France among young people this election were Mélenchon and Le Pen). Liberalism don't cut it anymore for a lot of them.

Now, here is a quote for you from the Situationist International.
Socialism is being tried right now in Rojava. The Kurds managed to extend their territory in Syria and defend themselves efficiently against ISIS and Turkey during the last couple years.
Their mode of organization is inspired by the Paris Commune as well as anarchist Catalonia and Ukraine, the former failures the SI was talking about.
Only time will tell if they can establish a durable presence in the world, but right now, their future looks brighter than ISIS's one.

If we ignore him he might go away. HINT HINT

Okay. If you wanna talk let's talk
What's Socialism? What's Communism?
Partially right but wrong. Fascists/far-right ideologies are, long story short, an evolutionary step to the "Dark Enlightenment", much like how Marxist Socialism/Leftist ideologies are evolutionary steps to the Enlightenment

Sounds awfully authoritarian ;^)

Read Homage to Catalonia. Surprisingly, it's by George Orwell himself
Jesus christ this sounds exactly how a factory owner/bourgeois would describe Socialism. Pure ideology

It's almost as if there is a given effort to stamp out any traces of radical leftism wherever it may be found. You also fail to get your head out of your ass and look more into Libertarian Socialism and see the short-lived successes whenever it was implemented
Confirmed tumblrite

Congratulations! Your actually making a Libertarian Socialist critique of Marxism-Leninism!

nice reddit spacing, nigger faggot

I give it five.

We talk shit about trannies all the time here, being a leftist isn't some secret club. Thank you again for conflating liberal idpol, with leftism overall.

I give it two.

You don't have to be ML to be a useful idiot.

Suffice it to say that as long as there are MLs around they will turn you into putty in their hands, and you'll let them.

Im gonna wait a few days and then start a thread about it. So I can find out for reals.

marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1936/dictatorship.htm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers'_council

learn some history or kill yourself
idk how it's possible to argue in such bad faith, do you see us constantly making threads on Holla Forums strawmanning everyone as zionist banker neocons?

Leftist slappyfights are leftist slappyfights.

kek, already wrong.

I know this is bait, but we're all poor here, no one is your enemy.

yeah but i think if you started talking about gassing joos you'd get kicked out of tea-party groups

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Or you could, you know, lurk moar

Again, it's really remarkable that you people can come up with the notion that a necessarily collectivist concept like socialism/communism is going to mesh well at all with a concept that prizes individualism like anarchy.

The abolishment of private property alone is anathema to any sort of individualist project. You abolish private property and you immediately call into question the concept of self-ownership, which is absolutely CRUCIAL to the rights of an individual.

Yes, I am poor, and I reject the idea that allowing any sort of collectivist ideology is going to make me anything but poorer and poorer. The proletariat rejects you.

Retardation at this level shouldn't be possible

Ive never seen a good tranny hate thread for the whole time ive been here.

Goddammit, google fucking Rojava. Do it, faggot. DO IT.

lol fuck off with your facebook adult cartoon memes.

Read a fucking book.

You'll figure it out. Poor soul.

What should be the first place to look for
No. Why don't you fuckers ever actually ask what a complicated and varied spectrum of position are? Democratic institutions are not "above reproach" in any way you fucking idiot.
Yeah yeah, Tankies are obsessed with the 'big other' we've known this for a while. That isn't an accurate description of libertarian socialism. Which often circlejerks about genuine democracy. Please tell us more about how democracy is overly totalitarian compared to the free market (TM).

I'm guessing he means it would be collectivized. There are a lot of variations of socialism saying "so this would happen under socialism" is incredibly stupid

Ownership is a relationship.
You don't own yourself you are yourself.
There is not another you that can have rights over you fucking schizo.

The basis of human rights isn't property but some higher human and the concept of personhood essence at least get your spooks right damnit.

to far right guy literally waving the american flag

wowie

THAT"S MY SOUL-BONDED AIR YOU CUCK
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

The PKK is probably going to end up subsuming and destroying the KPD. You know exactly why.

My body is my private property. Destroy my ability to call it such and you open up a slew of horrific things. The concept of self-ownership depends entirely on my ability to establish not only that my body is mine, but that it is also necessarily NOT yours. If my body is not clearly established to be MY PRIVATE PROPERTY and absolutely NO ONE ELSE'S, then someone else or multiple someone elses can and will lay claim to it as it is convenient for them to do so. Ownership of self MUST BE ESTABLISHED to prevent any other person or group of people claiming me as public property. Unless you destroy the idea of property ALTOGETHER (good luck with that) you cannot safely abolish private property.

You don't know what private property means you colossal fucking retard.

Private property=/= personal property.
Collectivism and individualism are not a true or by any means complete dichotomy.
Almost every member in this forum are members of the proletariat: proletariat does not mean rich or poor it means those who have to sell their labor power for money: this includes the rich employed and the intelligentsia not just "the working poor".
Individualistic and market socialism is also a thing (although lots of people here don't like it and consider it not socialism despite that Marx considered it unrealistic socialism which would mean it is at least a subset)… look up mutualism.

I use public owned things all the time without losing my individuality
Me and my friend go to the beach and neither of us own it. Somehow we still have self-ownership
just because the soviet union didn't have civil rights for citizens doesn't mean any system with public ownership of production will
The US gov owns all the roads but somehow I still have free-speech

The distinction between private and personal property is absolutely meaningless and is an exercise in semantics.

As for using public-owned things and retaining your individuality - you necessarily agree to certain things when you use public property. You can be denied the use of public property at any time for any reason the public (which is nothing more than a mask for the government) deems suitable.

The name "public property" is necessarily misleading, because YOU are part of the public, and you do not own that beach in any way. If you owned it, even in the tiniest part, the rest of the public would have to negotiate to the satisfaction of all parties involved in order to deprive you of its use. This is not what happens, however.

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I came here to laugh at you.

The aut-right damage control ITT is fucking hilarious.

Yes, I should definitely trust a collectivist redefinition and neutering of the concept of individually-owned property. Because that worked so well for so many people before me.

Wtf am I watching? Burgers being burgers, it seems to me.

They literally teach Marxism in schooland not just because it's history

It's not semantics, you fucking retard. It has been established over 150 years ago.

The fuck does that even mean? Try speaking less like an autist, and if you can't do that, at least say something intelligent.

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I looked into it. Apparently it was some guy with the Oathkeeprers (who the fuck are they) who is half jewish and has a mud kid and self identifies as a CIVIC NATIONALIST who was getting all heated over the evil white nationalists and caused some drama. Maybe he was a retard like most of the people on r/the_donald who had no idea what the memes they were using really meant and freaked out when the whole alt-right are actually nazis thing happened.

get out

Women studies and postmodernism are not Marxism user.

Collectivism is by its very nature authoritarian. Collectivism insists on the individual making his will secondary to the will of the collective, which is an inherently authoritarian dynamic.

Any form of socialism or communism is by its nature collectivist, and can not escape the fact that it uses the authoritative force of a collective to subjugate the will of the individual. Furthermore, it is always the INITIATOR of that authoritative force and initiation of force CAN NOT BE JUSTIFIED.

ok

Economic departments teach Keynes, not Marx. Humanities departments teach post-structuralism, not Marx.

Try again, dipshit.

Please, kid, for your own sake LURK MORE!

If you're trying to cast shade on the former USSR then you're a massive retard because chances are you'd be several orders of magnitude better off under the USSR or its satellites than before or after. I don't even like those pseudo leftist states but you're an ignorant faggot if you don't know about the massive gains in living standards experienced by most Soviet or Soviet aligned states.

Fukkin kill urself

Pretty spooky, user.

he was more of a social democrat if anything lol

You're kidding, right? Was the Holodomor a massive gain in living standards for the Ukrainians? Was the Great Leap Forward a massive gain in living standards for poor Chinese farmers?

There can be no individual without the collective you dumb faggot. An individual can only exist as a part of a community the same way a finger or toe can only exist with a body.

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Question: do you legitimately believe that capitalism promotes individualism?

Question: do you operate under the premise that the United States of America is a capitalist system?

I'm enjoying you retards thinking you have any leverage you can speak of. You've proven yourselves to be inept and constantly btfo at every moment. You cucks are hilarious.

ok

Are you fucking retarded? Do you seriously have some kind of mental condition or defect or something? Saying they the Soviet Union or China didn't experience massive gains in living standards because of the holodomor or GLF is like saying the US didn't experience increases in the standard of living because of the dust bowl and Jim Crow. Read a fucking book you dumb asshole.

The means of production are privately owned and protected by the State. Textbook definition of capitalism. Can you answer my question now?

Good luck surviving alone out in the woods, fam.

The Holodomor and GLF were quintessentially communist events.

Tell us why then, point the fundamental flaws in this distinction.

Have you ever been diagnosed with autism ?

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Stop posting and read a book you fucking retard.

Found your problem.

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Agreed. That's why socialists usually want direct democracy… That way you can own the beach in a meaningful way.
Sounds like council communism to me Comrade!
Hence a revolution…

They taught that Communism is where everything was owned by the state and where everybody is exactly equal and doesn't own property. They taught that the proletariat described the class of poor people… That isn't teaching, it's propaganda and slander, never knew a single communist teacher and I was in the 'liberal' elite.

Who the fuck is this 'collectivism' you speak of user? Yes I'm not allowed to kill someone else in a socialist society… No that is not a reflection of left libertarian hypocrisy it is a reflection that individuals and non-government groups can oppress people the same way governments can.

That's a feature of capitalism. The state exists to enforce private property laws.

It is a problem indeed.

Now, answer my question, do you think capitalism promotes individualism? Moreover, given Marx's theory of alienation, is he not in fact a defender of individualism? I'm assuming you've actually read him, of course.

BETA CUCK EXPOSED!

Capitalism can exist without a state.

Two people exist, and each person owns a small garden into which they put labor and time, and receive goods in the form of vegetables.

One grows tomatoes, and the other grows potatoes. The tomato farmer decides that he would like some potatoes. He goes to the potato farmer and asks if they would like to trade some of their potatoes for a portion of his tomato harvest. The potato farmer thinks about it, and decides that tomatoes sound pretty good. They then agree on a fair exchange of tomatoes and potatoes. At no point does the state intervene, nor does it need to.

Right wing subhumans killing themselves.

God really was a Leftist.

Must be a victim of famous American Marxist education

that's not capitalism

Two people trading fruits and vegetables in the middle of a field is not an example of the capitalist mode of production you utter fucking buffoon.

The introduction of an extra step where the tomatoes are converted into some other unit of exchange matters not at all. The tomato farmer cannot be compelled to exchange his tomatoes for any amount he deems unfair under a stateless capitalist system.

It underpins the capitalist mentality. The entire idea of an exchange compelled only by the self-interest of the parties involved is necessarily capitalist.

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Alright… First off that is merely a description of market relations… Market=/=Capitalism in the normal definitions of both. It's fine that you're using different terms, but you need to understand that the normal definition of capitalism is an economic system that…
1. Has markets
2. Has wage labor
and
3. Has private (this doesn't mean personal) ownership of the means of production
Socialism with markets and built around markets exists and are somewhat popular, they allow for markets, but reject wage labor and labor appropriation.
Markets do however have 2 major serious problems: The tendency towards monopoly, price setting, guilds and other forms of corruption and the existence of outliers. Both of these properties need to be corrected and likely can't be usefully corrected for with a market institution…
I can talk more about the problems with the market if you'd like, but I'll let you respond.

this is what americans actually believe

Next.

next

What underpins the capitalist mode of production is private property and wage labor. Markets/trade can exist within other modes of production, though not without problems that generally can only be solved by a State, as points out.

Dude, just give up, next he will tell you markets can't exist without capitalism, like clockwork, and won't provide any semblance of evidence,
You might as well talk to a brickwall.

Plot twist: The bandits and the neighbours are the same people

The company owner better be a damn good shot if he wants to shoot all his workers.

Reddit is worse than Holla Forums and reddit spacing should be banned.

What exactly can a State do better than a more voluntary system, pray tell? States are notorious for budget overrun and lethargic response to market pressures. States rely on the idea of a "social contract" in order to assert their authority, and the "social contract" is pretty much the only kind of contract in which your consent to be subject to its terms is not only irrelevant, it's not even CONSIDERED.

Can? Where woluld capitalism be right now if all those banks weren't bailed out with taxes money in 2008?

In far better shape. The failure of a system predicated on theft, coercion and government-enabled manipulation would have been a fucking fantastic thing for capitalism.

Hospitals, schools, just to name two very obvious ones. Unless you think people only deserve medical treatment if they can pay for it.

Oh yes, millions of people would have definitely been very happy once all the banks shut down and they all lost their money.
There wouldn't be massive riots throught western countries at all and capitalism would be in better shape!

Capitalism breads corruption. Without the state to bail out the banks the whole thing would have collapsed on it's own like a fucking house of cards and all of you corruption apologists would have been hanged in public.
So in a way…yes i really wish if we all lived under capitalism without a state.

Gem from an old Soviet propaganda textbook: Return of the Jedi is the final act in an insidious capitalist plot to militarize space.

But user! We live in Corporatism! Capitalism has never existed!

That's not the point of the user you replied to, though.
How would you solve "The tendency towards monopoly, price setting, guilds and other forms of corruption and the existence of outliers" without a state, whenever it's in a capitalist or market socialist system ?

What is your definition of a State? What is your definition of a 'voluntary system'?
If your asking what a system that runs outside of market forces can do better than a system run inside market forces than that is easy… Non market institutions are at least subject to popular pressures that are instituted without bias to money… That obviously isn't completely true, but it is better than being completely motivated by profit.
You have been misled. For instance, when judging efficiency in something like the health care market, governments are considered inefficient because they don't make profits… That is something true a priori, government institutions aren't meant to make profits, they're meant to get their money from taxes. A way of looking at efficiency in an intellectually honest way is to look at the product gained and look at the amount of the money is siphoned off into bureaucrats. By this measure governments are usually notoriously efficient, but capitalists have the view that profits shouldn't be counted when making these comparisons, for them the more money is siphoned off to them, the more efficient the institution is.
What about property? It seems like that would count too.

meant to reply to

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The excision of corporatist and statist cancer might result in some bleeding but the system will stabilize.

A (presumptive) socialist is talking to me about corruption. Priceless.

You get close and then you completely screw the pooch with the last part. Also, given how often you chucklefucks resort to "That wasn't true socialism/communism" there's some incredible irony in that statement there.

If by [hand wave] you mean that people will refuse to do business with them, sure. Also, monopolies have never been able to exist without the government propping them up.

Have you even played Fallout 4? You just wall off your settlement, and add lazer turrets, and anybody who isn't an Asian female, you don't let them in.

What?
Nor has capitalism, so if were talking hypothetical you can't complain about talking hypothetical.
Also that statement is utter bullshit, natural monopolies exist and if you believe in """intellectual property""" then you are advocating for total monopoly of all innovations.

A State is something that some group of people asserts exists and proceeds to enforce via an effective monopoly of violence. It maintains jurisdiction and governance over all it deems within its borders whether that populace consents to being governed or not. All states ultimately rely upon an effective monopoly on violence. They are, in practice, not truly voluntary systems, and it thus becomes necessary to distance one's self from the word state as being in any way reflective of a legitimate and voluntary system.

There is no such thing as intellectual property and patents cannot exist without government force backing them up.

Not an argument.
Do you even know the definition of a monopoly ?
So Google and Apple have the monopoly on the smartphone OS market solely because of the government ?

5829583711750793827272 Dimmensional Connect Four.

oligopoly*

I know that a monopoly won't stay a monopoly for long when it doesn't have a state protecting it and it won't stay a monopoly for long if it can't enforce its monopoly through the exercising of necessarily illegitimate force.

What stops it from doing this?

muh NAP

Cool, you're less retarded than some.
cool.

OK so there are 2 farmers selling the same product on the market… They both own the only land that can reasonably produce the specific foods that they plant…
Why would they not agree to set prices and form an effective monopoly rather than compete?
How would that monopoly ever be stop being a monopoly without breaking it up by force?

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Pretty hilarious how even the most basic form of the Socratic method causes AnCap ideology to fall apart.

Wonder if 4chan will ostracize Holla Forums and swing leftwards or if Holla Forums will continue dominating until the whole site stagnates and becomes a joke.

Because if they're greedy enough to do that, then they're certainly greedy enough to try and reduce the number of people benefitting from the monopoly to as few as possible, which usually means 1. They are guaranteed to try stabbing each other in the back. It is in your self-interest to not form a cartel, if you have ANY ability to delay gratification.

Not only will there be internal friction between the parties involved in this cartelization but potential customers will endeavor to pry the two parties apart.

No it can't, not without the government to suppress organized labor and defend private property.
Read anything at all.

Also, capitalism is a very collectivist ideology.

But user, why take a larger cut of the pie when you can just make the pie larger by jacking up the prices through a cartel?

The site already is a joke. Holla Forums killed what little quality still existed. Even if Holla Forums gets purged I don't see the hobby boards making a meaningful rebound.

Because what is the point of jacking up prices to the point where people can not afford to pay them AT ALL?

It is entirely possible to price yourself out of the market, in either direction.

Furthermore, why risk pissing off potentially hundreds of people many of which may well be armed when you can just piss off one by cutting him out of the monopoly?

I hate how Holla Forums has basically killed the hobby/entertainment boards here, can't have a single thread without "DA JEWS MUH SJWS" garbage. Check out Holla Forums for example, it's nothing but race-bait & alt-reddit memes.

On half chan's Holla Forums it's nothing but aut-rightists crying about Colbert.

And Bill Nye, of course.

Their greed is a complete non-sequiter. People are assumed to work in their own self interests in market analysis. Please understand your own ideology.
Once again, you can't say that according to the principles of self interest that people have an incentive to cooperate but then when I say "but what if they cooperate in a way that is against the greater good?" respond that people who are greedy are too stupid to cooperate… Your own ideology states that people cooperate for the sake of greed: that cooperation and self interest go hand in hand.
I may as well say it is in my self interest to live in communism then. If 'self interest' means what it usually means in neoclassical economic theory, that is monetary selfish self interest, then you are factually wrong. Honestly this statement makes me question your basic sanity.
How do not see the blatant hypocrisy?
Using what? Certainly not force, and making the decision to abandon a higher set price is factually wrong so what could they possibly do? Threaten to boycott with a trade union? That's basically advocating of anarcho-syndicalism.

Greed and self-interest are not synonymous and stop trying to frame them as being so.

If self interest is taken to mean general self interest instead of monetary self interest than the position that 'people should work in their own self interests' makes no claims about what economic system is correct and in fact is advocating something that is true biologically.

Welcome to the logical conclusion of Capitalism, fam. People still have demand, even if they can't afford to buy the commodities they need. People always need food, medicine, a place to live, and companies that control the supply will charge what they can get away with, and their buyers will work themselves to death to get it. Maybe some poorer people still can't afford it, but who cares? Maybe they'll launch a shittier version of the product that they can just barely afford.
And that is why what I described above will never survive without state intervention. Without protection of the state or private armed forces, the proletariat will seize control of the owner's property.

kek

This literally a baby who needs his first dose of Mutual Aid.

Monetary self-interest is a subset of general self-interest and if you focus on monetary self-interest at the expense of all other forms of self-interest you are a fool.

A person who works themselves to death has suspended nearly every other form of self-interest other than monetary. A person who endeavors to create a monopoly and fix prices has also placed his monetary self-interest at odds with other forms of self-interest.

"Don't be an asshole to other people" isn't just for those other people's benefit, and it's actually FAR more in YOUR interest to not be an asshole.

I hope they keep doing this.
The more they call moderate conservatives nazis, the more it herds them in our direction.

It's actually more of a synthesis, fam. It seems the only way board quality even goes back up is when libertarians get lectured on the working of capitalism, though.

It's kinda the point for some, tbh.

Someone is forgetting about automation.

Also look up Catalonia, the Paris Commune, and Rojava.

It might actually de-spook some of them though.

You would make a pretty good anarchist, TBH. There's just the fact private property is a monopoly on the means of production.

Spooky. Read Stirner.

No shit, but if you replace monetary self interest with general self interest than the statements that "people should work in their own self interests" isn't something that supports markets, it's something that promotes living and not supporting mind control.
So you believe in karma then? Or do you believe that the masses have some power to do something bad to you if they feel that you have done something immoral?
The former is niave, the latter is consistent with different forms of socialism such as (pacifistic maybe) anarcho-syndicalism.

Karma is not real.

Meh, I'll investigate anarcho-syndicalism. See where that road leads.

This is even better than watching some shithead throw a bitch tantrum when you tell them Gamergate should have started over the Jeff Gerstmann firing

The alt-right is all-wrong. They elected a rich Jew, they look up to a gay pedophile Jew reporter, many of them have brown hair, many of them are sinners. If they thought they could win a civil war they'd have started one long ago. They're mostly armchair activists who act on the computer, and whenever they try anything IRL they look like screaming infants who can't manage to do jack shit. I's why they look up to professional victims/total cowards Darren Wilson & George Zimmerman- men who could only shoot unarmed people.

The means of production can be privately owned without a state, but will eventually require one for it's defense when workers start getting wind of their exploitation, not to mention the overproduction, and other contradictions. Taxing those said workers lifts the burden off capitalists also, increasing profits, so there another reason a state will form while the means of production are privately owned. Someone should leanr about Mutualism, or market socialism.

Jesus had a pretty dank philosophy.

karma is causality, not some spooky mystical bullshit

acting like an asshole to everyone makes your life more difficult for no benefit

Trump is Jewish and openly so. How Holla Forums ever got suckered into thinking he cared about the white race is beyond me.

Well, yeah, sometimes… There are people who exist that have both done terrible things, yet still lead good lives and one of the things political systems need to think about is how to minimize the damages that such people do and how to ensure their responsibility. You can't just take it as a matter of faith that it's a bad idea in a system to be selfish. That's why you need to think about political and economic incentive structures.

Ya, well it was 47,900 dimensional underwater reverse polarity south east Mongolian backgammon, you cuck shill.

Keep spamming this shit over and over. Makes young White men of the Right and Left look like retards.

No it's Jew Trolls such as you. Most normal people understand what goes on on image boards.

Trump is just secretly playing ball with the micks so he has leverage his second election, then he'll really show his ethno-nationalists side.

Hello Reddit.

Ebin

I'm pretty sure actual hatred of trans people is a minority here
Most people's criticisms have to do with Tranny Politics and it's incurable liberalism.

The only thing I don't like is the infinite genders thing, since it's pretty spooky.

This. People here love traps.

Gender is, for lack of a better term, a spook.

wew this calls for an all fields

The Empire is much more similar to the USA than the USSR. Did the Empire own the means of production? From the pre-Disney Expanded Universe it's quite clear that the Empire is a parody of the military industrial complex of the USA.

Webm related

wew what a surprise
the South has always been a tumor growing on the underbelly of the US

We're one of the most exploited and underpaid parts of the country. We don't need retards stroking themselves to how superior their shithole is to ours. Especially when they're internet armchair faggots. kys

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That's actually pretty precise. There were movies critical of the system in the Warsaw countries as well, the artists just had to be subtle about it.

Fuck off Coast Cunt, you fags are all about Posturing and hypocrisy

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This is simply amazing.

Don't care. Call me when centrists start eating themselves alive. It will never happen. We're in this hell forever.

I'd like to congratulate every person in this thread that made it completely fucking unbearable from start to finish. If the mods don't crack down on this sort of behavior I will use hundreds of proxies to derail every thread until they are either
A) Deposed
B) Get their shit together
Seriously, what the fuck do the majority of the posts have to do with the OP? You are useless little shits, I fucking hate you for what you've done to this board. If you don't do something soon, I will drive this place into the fucking ground.

No, it didn't.

Threads aren't always going to stay on topic. This shit has always happened on imageboards. I share your frustration to an extent, but this was a fairly boring starting point to begin with. At best we could laugh at the alt-right and fuck off to threads with more interesting discussion.

Shitty OP, therefore shitty posts and one retarded complainer.
Do it faggot.

This gave me a chuckle
(You)

IS THIS /OUR AMERICAN FLAG/???

isn't cannibalism during a hard time part of the human condition?

You do realize people on the alt right are ex liberals.

What did he mean by this?

Lucas is unironically one of the greatest film makers of the 20th century.

nope

what else would you expect from a socialist though

The Star Wars prequels were basically an example of a weak liberal "democracy" succumbing to authoritarian capitalism. The jedi can be understood as the professional class (i.e. the technocracy) that exists to serve and protect the financial elites. Anakin was more or less right. The only mistake he made was not killing the emperor after the Jedi were gone. Also didn't just crush Obi-wan's throat with his mechanical hand. That was a pretty big blunder as well.

No, he wasn't. The only films worth something in his filmography are his student projects and THX1138. The rest is shiny lowest-common-denominator blockbuster trash, Star Wars included.

lol, stay plebbed

youtube.com/watch?v=lZKoiTPvOrE

Fucking lmao

8ch was a joke since birth and 4chan became a joke years ago.

theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron

Is Mencious Moldbug actually ITT?

No Star Wars film is worth anything. Not the prequels, not the sequels, not the latest entry, not the upcoming entry. They're shit films targeted at normies and you should feel bad for defending them.

Howard the Duck, on the other hand, was a fucking masterpiece.

yu yu YU

Moldbug is 200x more intellectual and smug tho. There are also no walls of text, so he is obviously just some random shill.

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guy in armor

Yep, the "alt-right" is really "eating itself"

youtube.com/watch?v=5y0keoQ96Fk
youtube.com/watch?v=5y0keoQ96Fk

This doesn't really give much validation other than making the alt-right look like a pack of self-hating retards.

Fun Fact: Mike Enoch has a jewish wife. But then again, the far right has been Jew'd from the beginning tbh.

to me it just looks like another case of vid related, just taken up a notch. Or cuck-knight is just seriously confused.

I honestly can't tell the difference between "white" and "jews".

Neither could the Nazis, that's why they had to stick a yellow star on Jews to tell them apart from Pure Aryans.

Holy fuck I was there. It was basically Holla Forums versus liberals. I swear going to Lee Circle made me hate the right a whole lot more. They cannibalized themselves. There were some nice patriots there but mostly LARPers. Plus I have my picture in the local news now lel

lol liberals are cute

Indeed they are. I'm glad I got to yell at them at the monument rally yesterday. Seeing Nazis and civic nationalists fight was the icing on the cake. Also playing back the video I can hear my voice in it "c'mon guys"

That guy is a jew who just doxxed himself on twitter by revealing his real name and intentions.
He went there looking to stir up shit with actual white nationalists. He told them he's a jew and irrelevant shiter and multiculturalism is strength and he believes in civic cuckservative nationalism etc, and they told him to "fuck off" then he got rowdy and tried to run through them and got punched in the face.

Biggest faggot of the thread tbh

This. What the fuck are the mods here doing, do we even have mods?