BERNIE SANDERS DEFENDS ISRAEL

but this is false

the bolsheviks banned the hebrew language because they considered Zionistic and instead promoted yiddish as the language of the Jewish people because they said that it was a language of the oppressed

The oppressed don't have a unique language.

this is certainly flase

many oppressed people have developed they own languages

besides Jews, the kurdish and the kurdish language comes to mind

Try to explain that to Stalin

100% essentialism. This ignores the fact that there are Kurdish bourgeoisie who also have an incentive to preserve and promote the language.

Isn't it already obvious that they do? In far fewer years, Rojava, this backwater place entirely ignored by the global Left, has leapfrogged far ahead and is well on the road to anarchist communism under a different name. In the meantime, all these idpol-loving "anti-imperialist" nationalists want for their Palestine baby to make a boom-boom. It's not happening. The only reason to support Palestine at this point is if you hate Jews. I'm surprised that the Nazis don't and are so, so ignorant that they can think that Jews and Muslims are along a united anti-Christian, deeply triggering and problematic axis. Ha! As if! The two want to genocide each other, forget about whites and Europe and Christianity!

See pic. is right, Bolsheviks were generally not Jewish and disliked them. Jews even had their own separate socialist organization (the Labor Bund), which was persecuted after the revolution by the Bolsheviks. If the Bolshies were really Zionist-Jewish socialists, don't you think they would have at least left them alone?

Fuck Stalin.

the exception doesnt make the rule

because a handful of of them became burgouis doesn't mean the people in general are not oppressed

trash

Not to mention, the Palestinians aren't necessarily showing any solidarity with Rojava. I think the PFLP did once but then backtracked and came out in support of Assad.

Palestine is a lost cause at this point and leftists should just move on.

I smell major Zionist bullshit.

TIL the truth is Zionist

You can stay in denial all you want but the fact is the Palestinians are influenced by their own institutions which don't necessarily have an egalitarian agenda.

Israel was BEHIND the Egypt coup. How can Bern not see that?

Funny thread.

Because everyone but you idiot commies can see how cancerous egalitarianism is. Everyone else uses it as a weapon to get a leg up or drag someone else down, you lot actually believe it.

Did anyone actually believe Bernie was pro-Palestine to begin with?

rania khalek

Do these people think Isreal is Communist country or something? I don't get it

Go back to /int/

Israel is basically Sweden + ethnocentricism.

Devious little sentence to sneak in there, you Snake
Fuck off with your black and white Bullshit

Palestine has no relevance to global socialism.

Just ignore the whole thing. Isn't it you that's black and white if you insist that you have to support a side? I'm not saying "be with Israel or you're anti-Semitic" like Zionists. That's idpol bullshit and actually black-and-white. I'm saying "supporting the Palestinian struggle implies anti-Semitism and pro-Islam sentiments, as that's entirely what the conflict revolves around; it is entirely nationalist idpol". The entire thing is a flaming dumpster fire.

What is the PFLP?

Supporting muslims in Europe is deeply triggering and problematic

A jew will always defend other jews.

Also, comparing Palestine to South Africa is bullshit. You're comparing a scenario where 17% of the population is made up of white colonials to another where nearly 50% of the population is "settler colonials". Not to mention most Israeli Jews came to Palestine under pretty fucked up circumstances (Holocaust, forced expulsions, dhimmi status, etc.).

The problem is bigger than Bernie Sanders. The problem is that every American politician on the national level has their head stuck up Israel's ass.

never trust a socdem

B-b-but he says he's a SOCIALIST.

Not actually leftist. Nationalistic opportunists. Further proof that MLism isn't Marxist and arguably isn't even Leninist (which is already debatable as to whether it's Marxist).

Not internationalist, doesn't want to abolish property (merely make it state-owned), doesn't want

Shut the fuck up already. No one cares about your unscientific identity politics. If you really want to preserve "Western culture", welcome them with open arms and integrate them thoroughly into your culture. Don't let them build mosques and force women to wear hijabs. They'll acquiesce. Capitalism forces mass immigration - we had a thread about this somewhere. The question is, are you going to fight capitalism and do your best to cope with its effects, or are you going to be a dumb shithead and make problems worse with your kneejerk reactions?

Muslims should stay in the Middle East if we can't eliminate their barbaric religion, though.

I'm half-Jewish and personally think that what Israel's doing is nothing short of barbaric and monstrous. I'd be much more inclined to support the Palestinian cause if they weren't calling for the extermination of all Jews, though.

Yes, this is true. Israel is perfectly capable of fending for itself. I don't see why we need to send so much military aid to it.

lol you're such a blatant kike

PFLP has always called for a one democratic state with equal rights for all religions.

So white nationalists are bad but jew nationalists are good? That some serious logic

Arab nationalists are also bad.

Remember, muslims are hostile fifth columnists in Israel, but white Europeans need to bend over backwards EVEN MORE to accommodate them! Every fucking time!

Impressive detective skills

No, nationalism of dominant races is bad, nationalism of oppressed races is anti-imperialism.

Meme come to life again.

Never mind that most actual Muslims despise the Kurds.
reddit.com/r/islam/comments/62d5tn/opinions_on_the_kurds_and_rojava/

no one ever accused tankies or communalists of being smart

14yr old detected.

When we support these groups, it's not because of their ethnicity or religion, you realize that, right?

Jews are oppressed in Israel? KEK

That's not even what I said. What I said applies to both Israel and Europe - either don't let them into those lands in the first place or culturally integrate them and wipe out their Islam completely. It's not as if the two cultures can coexist. That's some liberal bullshit right there!

And anti-imperialism is bad because it's idpol. You could have just shortened it to "all nationalism is bad, OP is a faggot".

The SDF is polyethnic, including both Arabs and Kurds and even some Syriac Christians in its fight. It's working because the Kurds decided to have a slight bit of humility, something almost entirely lacking in the Middle East.

Rights are spooky. I'm extremely skeptical of Judaism and Islam being able to coexist within one state without something like a Ba'athist dictator enforcing this, especially with Saudi Arabia radicalizing Muslims everywhere.

I didn't come up with the idea, blame the tankies or trotskyists.

Aren't the Kurds anti-Zionist though?

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And all for the better. Fuck Israel.

Yes because many arab countries have tried to invade them and many arabs try to stab them on a regular basis

also many countries and people boycott them and advocate it simply because they are Jews living on their ancestral homeland

dropped

so yeah this is also a form of oppression

barsani is pretty Zionist

so you aren't a Jew

then stop saying you aren't a Jew because you aren't

is like that white woman trying to pass as a black

pure cringe

Then what defines a Jew? That woman didn't have any black ancestry. I don't particularly care that I'm "Jewish" other than in the sense that I don't support the Palestinian struggle because they want my head off my shoulders for it. Also in the sense that Nazis say "Jews always support each other" and then try to kill them. Yes, of course we're going to have common interests of survival if you're threatening each one! Other than that, I disagree heavily with the rest of my family politically.

If Barzani is for something, the SDF is probably against it.

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am i the only one who doesn't give a shit what happens to people who think their 'right' to a piece of land is ordained by 'god' ?

its like american conservatives that act like america is a country with great wealth because 'god made it that way' or something. or muslims that think a caliphate is really going to happen.

these people all have far more in common with one another than i do with them, in spite of all their claims of opposition to one another.

and this goes for the palestinians too and those that naively support their 'anti-imperialist' movement too. i mean, this has gone on multiple times. left supports some 'anti imperialist' movement, it becomes 'socialist' they have a revolution, and next thing you know, the country abandons the 'socialist' rhetoric soon after.

fuck israel, and fuck palestine, those fuckers fight with each other over the tiniest piece of land. they both deserve nothing imo

I'm pretty sure only about a third of Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi

calling others' opinions spooky when you essentialize Kurds. how many times do you come here using different flags trying to convince us that being against genocide and apartheid, including literally forcing people out of their homes, shooting kids for passing by checkpoints on their way to school, cutting power and supplies to hospitals, and bombing civilians is nationalist in any way?

JIDF get the fuck out. you must be the most persistent shill I've ever seen.

bernie is a gay burgoise jew
first we send him to the gulag and then to the concentration camp

I want you to look at the hellhole which has been this thread. I then want you to look at the entire divisive and fruitless struggle which has been the Left's support of Palestine.

It's funny because idpol is thrown around so much, frequently accurately and sometimes not so much, that people have a hard time recognizing it when it's pointed out that they're relying on it.
Maybe, but that doesn't change anything if you're spewing it as well.

Yes, this. Just one little note, sage goes in the email field.

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Oh, I think I know who you're talking about. I'm not him. Just angry that the Left is supporting some of the most extreme idpolers in the world who want to cut off my head because of some genes.
I'm anti-Zionist and anti-Palestinian.
I only support the SDF in the sense that they're building a libertarian socialist society.
Yes, they did give up on large scale nationalism as far as I can tell - that is to say, it doesn't have as much support as DemCon. Does that mean that they all did so? No, but for abstraction and simplicity's sake, they did.

this is literally what the palestinian are advocating lel

they forced a complete ethnic cleanse of Jews in Gaza and want to do the same thing to the West Bank
they literally would kill any Jew that crosses the checkpoints
abbas literally just stopeed gaza's electricity and over 5,000 people can die for this
they have literally bomber schools and hospitals and civilians and not even that but they encourage it

so please stop being such an hypocrite

Mr. Bernie Sanders should look at who supports both of these imperialist satelites to see the root of the problem.

Who the fuck cares about Bernie Sanders? He is just a goddamn socdem. You Americans are so desperate that you even praise socdems?

Now this is Holla Forums falseflagging!

Holla Forums, I'm ashamed of you.

Which "Kurds"?

this

gaza is controlled by islamic fundamentalist that wants to create a shria state
they also have a lo of influence in the west bank
and hezbollah is another terror gruop that wants to create a islamic state

it baffles me how so many socialist and communist supports them

stop saying nonsense

They would want a Mugabe figure who would carry out a massive land reform which would almost certainly be carried out on a racial basis.