Is the Rise of Holla Forums Style Fascism Really a Threat?

I'm not talking about the specific people on Holla Forums because obviously they will never accomplish anything offline, but is it possible for their set of beliefs to even gain traction.

Imo what made the original Fascist movement so dangerous was its support by the elite of the old society wherein it received funding from big business/aristocrats and then was helped into power by mainstream conservative political forces (Hindenburg and King Victor Emmanuel III in Germany and Italy respectively.)

The way I see it Holla Forums has three main political demands:
1) Re-installment of patriarchy and traditional gender roles.
2) White Nationalism (excluding Jews) and an end to mass immigration.
3) End to economic globalization and return to economic protectionism.

It seems that none of these things would ever be remotely permissible to porky. The first two would represent a massive reduction in the labour supply and the third a huge decline in the rate of profit.

Holla Forums's problems are further confounded by the fact that they don't even see white porkies or capitalism as their enemy. They seemed to be convinced that fighting some sort of culture/meme war is going to lead to their desired state of affairs which is of course completely ridiculous. They are just like SJW's attacking the superstructure and not the base.

Basically I'm asking why everyone seems so concerned about the rise of this type of ultra-reactionary fascism when it will never gain porky's support?

why do people call everything they don't like fascism?

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How stupid are you?

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A small one. The alt-right will never own america or any other country, but they can still cause problems.

It's not. The internet ones are just memelords and the politicians are snake oil salesmen who don't want to be elected, and if they're accidentally elected will not do anything they promised.

you are being retarded m8:

national socialists are socialists, lebensraum and lebensborn programs are inherently anti-fascistic, they simply put capitalism to their ideological use: you can still have mass private business, but it has to serve the people, you can still have huge profits, but suddenly the most profitable thing is to.. make uniforms and rifles and artillery shells all of a sudden

i dont know, to me at least its retarded to just go around screaming
when fascist doctrine is, in fact, defined clearly enough, by
ROMAN EMPIRE THAT CARRIED BUNDLES OF STICKS, NOT FUCKING HITLER
fascism doesnt even have to be racist, hitler used a few fascist principles, but that's it, he ignored the rest 80% of it

if you want an example of a fascist regime, you should look at.. sparta, rome, or today north korea (because of his military first doctrine, which is extremely well aligned with fascist principles)
reasons why hitler and polacks arent fascists are:
welfare for whites only, fascists care only about the strongest/most capable individuals and are essentially anti welfare, all kinds of welfare

racism + militarism =/= fascism
militarism + militarism, for the sake of militarism and nothing else going on in the whole country but militarism = fascism

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I'm having a hard time figuring out your post

basically esoteric hitlerists want welfare
welfare is anti-fascism

therefore racist welfare enthusiasts arent fascists
there is nothing fundamentally more anti-fascism than welfare

I don't know if it's a threat per se, but from a sociological level it's pretty disconcerting that so many young people between the ages of 14-26 are being drawn to this ideology.

it's obviously because there is a need for it. the current order of things is breaking down. all these ideologies, at their most basic, empower the individual to do what he believes in

the problem with Holla Forumsyps and their like is not that they'll make a relevant movement, but that they are channeling the revolutionary potential of people into stupid and irrelevant shit - what some would call 'false consciousness'.

One should also not forget that the capitalists don't form a single-minded cabal, and will work to undercut the whole to benefit personally. A porky heavily invested into the military-industrial complex will support militarism and rearmament even if it leads to problems for the global capitalist class.

NAZ/POL/ ARISE

whomst*

far right shit is easy solutions for hard problems. as the meme goes, feels > reals. It doesn't offer hard theory or painful out-of-ideology moments: the right's "red pill" is that there are cartoon villains in real life.

Of course people gobble it up.

Yes, it is a threat, because the seeds for fascism are planted and normalized in society by the bourgeoisie long before the fateful decision is made to throw off the bourgeois democratic form of class rule.

Right now, bourgeois democracy is too useful for most Western capitalist societies to throw it off but who can say if this will be the case in 5-10 years? The collapse of capitalism in 2008 and its sluggish """"recovery"""" has already brought about political and geopolitical after-effects unimaginable during the heyday of the Great Moderation and the high watermark of the radical center in the 80s and 90s.

Things can get exponentially worse because the crises of capitalism grow exponentially. Fascism tries to channel the conservative common-sense thinking of the most reactionary parts of current society into an anti-capitalist package. That is why it is dangerous for us because its becomes more ready to strike as the revolutionary moment approach.

There's already a part of the bourgeoisie that supports fascism even if they don't proclaim that in public. When things collapse into further trouble that's when the decisive element in the bourgeoisie move towards fascism and impose fascist discipline on the rest of their class in addition to the proletariat which is the main target.

The fascists did not seek to end global capitalism but to carve out a better stake for their nation within the confines of global capitalism using force. That's why its not an issue of protectionism or lassiez-faire but imperialist strategy.

problem is they want an isolationist foreign policy too. This takes away what would be a major source of economic activity for fascist countries. The state funds a shit ton of weapons building by pulling money out of their asses, then they destroy/steal other nation's shit.
But the idea that the bourgie can exert their interests that easily seems a bit misguided to me. I read Dauve's "when insurrections die" a couple days ago and that seemed like the best account I'd heard so far of how fascist movements come to power.

if you fear them, they gain more power.

They are just a bunch of kids in front o a pc

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This.

IT'S GULAG TIME

Not at all. If you think of it, you would expect sectarian infighting like we have. Libertarians vs nazis, civic vs ethno-nationalists and so on. The only thing that keeps them from falling apart is the complete lack of a coherent worldview or theory. They will never be able to bring about a real movement, one that changes things and doesn't just provide spectacle.

Nah fam.
It's just kiddies memeing, I'm totally sure the normalization of fascist views won't have any negative impact in the future, just chill fam.