PSEUDO LEFT

PSEUDO LEFT

That's right OP. The Pseudo Left is one of the greatest dangers to the resurgence of leftism in general, and I applaud WSWS's efforts in exposing the actions of the pseudoleft–such as DSA, Syriza, Podemos, and other bourgeois-collaborationist organizations–and taking them to task for their betrayal of the working class.

YOU HAD ONE JOB

The phrasing is a little funny, but they're not wrong. There are a lot of idpol liberal groups that try to act like leftists.

The WSWS is a good site. They realized that idpol was garbage years before anyone else important did. They predicted the sell-outs of Syriza and Bernie, and that a Trump victory was an actual possibility, and that we'd get into it with North Korea and Russia. Science validates itself by predictive power, and the WSWS has been spot on in that regard.

They abuse the term though. I just read an article saying that an union was pseudo left because they told French people to NOT vote for Macron or Le Pen, therefore gathering support for them, therefore herding workers in a pro-Macron because unions are pro Macron by definition, nevermind they just said to not support him.

They also call Melenchon pseudo left because he talked shit about Le Pen, therefore endorsing Macron.

Pseudo Left is to Woowoos what Shill is to Holla Forums

This.
Honestly people are just mad "their guy" is subjected to any scrutiny or critique whatsoever.


Kek, sauce?

I wish the WSWS would stop calling every major leftist movement pseudo-left parties which will stab the proletariat in the back the moment they gained power.

I also wish they'd stop being right.

The idea that we're simply not allowed to ever make any judgements about whether something is or is not leftist, or examine the immense social role that masquerading as leftist plays in a society that absolutely thrives on redirecting discontent into safe established channels, is especially pernicious. It sounds like a Holla Forums meme.

Never fucking happened tbh

You think? You think that the "rewrite greentexts from another person's perspective" meme doesn't mean the thing has actually happened?
You just might be on to something big there.

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They're like a high-school clique that listens to a slightly different band that another clique and therefore hates them. They get triggered when a leftist publisher releases a book by some leftist with slightly different theoretical foundations.

Do you know what idpol means lol

People don't take their severely autistic children to restaurants while having the knowledge about them the greentext displays.

I'm not a Trot. Never have been, never will be. But even I have to admit that WSWS is a good paper and that it holds itself up to a ridiculously high standard. It's like the fucking Wallstreet Journal, but for Leftists. Only thing I can think of that's comparable is Monthly Review.

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I'm surprised Holla Forums doesn't suck this site's cock, they were anti idpol before it was cool.

Boy, you haven't seen anything.

LOL for the last fucking time having some semblance of political strategy and nimble navigation isn't "selling out" and they latched on to these events to confirm their suspicions. There was nothing Tsipras or Bernie could do. If you like WSWS so much why don't you just stay in their deluded sectarian comment section where nobody but ICFI is doing it right?
Also WSWS is "anti-idpol" to the point of not giving a shit about superstructure at all. No thanks.


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Tsipras could have tried Grexit and Bernie could have not endorsed Hillary.

LOL no he fucking couldn't've. Grexit wouldn't've changed their debt status and it would've pissed off creditors and the entire European Union. If Bernie didn't endorse Hillary he'd be blamed for her inevitable failure and his influence would diminish. He endorsed her and he got an official position in the Senate Democrats afterwards, it's quite obvious it was the right move.

Take that reactionary "pragmatism" and shove it waaaaaaay up your butthole, kid.

They could've as well commit suicide.

Yeah, how is that 52D solitaire working out for Bernie?

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He could have declared all debts null and void, left the Euro, and declared a transition to socialism in peacetime.

*makes people more powerful*
I know it's more nuanced than that, but reforms aren't always bad m8.

Pretty well. He's still Chair of Outreach and a martyr and people consistently boo Perez.

That's a war and every major enterprise deserting the country. The Greeks sure as hell don't feel like he betrayed them because they keep winning.

I pledge allegiance
to the newsletter
of the Committee of the Fourth International
and to the revolution
for which it stands
one Party
under Trotsky
with socialism and equality for all
Amen.

So basically the pied piper for the dems in order to keep the far left (i.e. the actual left) in line? Typical socdem bullshit.

No, the person defining the Senate Democrats' outreach strategy, primarily to groups they've disenfranchised before like the white working class.

You're not even contradicting the post you replied to.

>naaaaaaw, he wants revolution, man! He's just more practical in how he goes about it, like Comrade Obama!

Of all the sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: wsws was right again

That's not fucking true at all, at no point has he stopped calling for progressive Democrats to win primaries and elections through Our Revolution and his own endorsements and he still criticizes Dems. Where was WSWS when he said he's not a Democrat, but a free spirit that works with them? The outreach chair is supposed to listen to what people want and help form the party's strategy in response to this which you'd fucking know if you had listened to Schumer describe it.

you cuck
capitalist can't just take his factory like some bag and migrate somewhere else
all that matters is material wealth, not some numbers on accounts
bolsheviks defaulted on all the internal and external imperial russia debt and it wasn't the end of the world
all those capitalists with legal claims on material wealth who migrated to the west suddenly found out that with the soviet government not going anywhere anytime soon their assets are essentially worthless

in current situation Greece can't repay its debts
not in a million years
if it will not severe ties with EU, it will end up eternally cucked begging for debt release and selling itself piece by piece like some whore for heroin

I'm not seeing the connection between these two statements. Probably because there isn't one, you clueless mong.
Reporting on what he was doing and the intentions his actions reveal?
HEY I'M NOT TECHNICALLY A DEMOCRAT SO THEREFORE I'M INHERENTLY HELPING END CLASS RULE
I'm aware of that. The job is to more effectively help a bourgeois party appease the people, capture its vote, and succeed against its tactical rivals like the Republican party. Not to build revolutionary leadership, not to break from the big business parties, not to build workers committees to eventually take over administrative roles from porky and the government.

Sorry to say, "namedropping" my spam folder doesn't establish you as an authority here.

Gee, fucking you fucking seem fucking to fucking use fucking "fucking" a fucking awful fucking lot, mate

Who is this tripfag? And why is he here?

Greece is post-industrial as fuck though.
They'd probably have a harder time than Stalin.

They nevertheless have a very good tourism, agricultural/aquacultural, and shipping industry. As long as they stay away from any autarkic juche crap, they'd be fine.

I used it twice don't be an autist

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He is changing the Democratic Party, if his job was to keep it where it is and bring the left back he's doing a shitty fucking job.
He recently reaffirmed that he's not a member of the Democratic Party. He's doing a shitty job at this conspiracy of yours.
Um, yeah, Sanders as outreach chair clearly establishes that the Dems know they're not left enough. Sanders ran to the left of Hillary and talked about big banks. Your idea of "revolutionary leadership" and "workers committees" is straight up not going to happen for at least a couple decades or until a shakeup happens and even workers would be against it because change is scary. No wonder you think Sanders is a hack, you live in a fantasy world where he can step up to a podium and say "religion is the opiate of the people brought down upon us by the irreligious morally bankrupt bourgeoisie" and have people agree with him. Here's the rub, fuckass. Change is slow and at this juncture the closest you can get to "making steps to establish a workers committee" is doing your best to find ordinary people to run for office like Sanders called for.
Like, this conspiracy makes no sense at all. He's supposed to be distracting from the big banks and socialism by talking about big banks and socialism?
Vote for the fucking SEP again and then kill yourself you mong.

Why are you still thinking in terms of factories like it's 1917? We live in service economies now.

kek

Lares is an underage socdem

listen here cuck
you can live in whatever bubble economy you choose
but the fact is, all that sustains your fat ass is produced somewhere, people still need to eat to survive
if you're a parasite who "works" some service job, it doesn't mean that society can survive without producing material wealth

it's also characteristic that Soviets considered service sector of the economy not as a sector of production, but as a sector of social consumption
because soviet statistics reflected that value was produced only in material production sector

keep that in mind the next time you feel the urge to blabber about post-industrial economy

We do not use pictures of Ryūko nearly enough. Clad in red and black, pointing a weapon, standing up against an evil corporate empire, she is most definitely /ourgirl/.

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Yeah, at first I thought their rhetoric was pretty extreme, especially in regards to Sanders. But then he did just what they said he would, just like podemos and syriza before him.

Lares is a Puerto Rican underage b& that drops in from time to time to lay his shitty politics and analysis on leftypol until he gets bullied enough to take off his trip.

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They're just contrarians

Also there was this one SEP guy who I met who smelled so bad, I stopped respecting their party

If their analysis does merely amount to always taking positions opposite the "leftist consensus," as you say, you still need to address how and why that consensus manages to always be wrong.
Also the motivation for the argument is very clearly not its foundation.
And this is something you're… proud of? Sounds more like something you should work on.

they called mai waifu Zizek a charlatain and a fake leftist so 05 fuckem

Psychoanalysis is pretty shiggy, mate.

Wew laddie I wasn't talking about not having any manufacturing/agriculture jobs I'm just pointing out that that's where the most growth is. Don't get butthurt- service isn't parasitism, that's absurd.

Haven't done that in years and it's not "shitty"

Wew OK

They literally don't approve of anyone outside of the ICFI, they're fucking sectarians and nothing more. Get it through your head. If they held themselves to their own standards they "betrayed the working class" long ago by covering up those rape scandals.

Kek, you being serious right now? That was the CWI, not the ICFI.

Maybe if the so called 'leftists' outside the icfi would stop betraying the proletariat WSWS wouldn't be so hostile to them.

I dont think Sanders is a bad guy and probably has the best of intentions but he is fucking over the left.
He is still pushing the false narrative the Russia "hacked" the elections. He goes on a "unity tour" with Perez thereby trying to pacify the anger within the Democratic base.

Sanders is the most popular politician in America, he is now in a position of immense potential power. If he decides to start organizing mass protests for single-payer for example–millions would show up. He is actually in a position to ignite the flames of revolutionary change in this country, yet his actions show that he is moving in the opposite direction.

He has sided with the Democrats in that his main concern is being anti-Trump rather than anti-capitalism, a position that he should be adopting. Soc-dems have had a long historical role of quelling class anger, especially during turbulent times. It was this way during FDR's term and Bernie is likely to play the same role.

Sucking the dick of charismatic leaders is something that suits the right. Looking at someone from the left do it truly saddens me.