Is he right? Communism isn't working class ideology anymore?

Is he right? Communism isn't working class ideology anymore?

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I don't know why leftists follow this guy. He's basically Sargon of Akkad but less retarded.

This is a stupid middle class liberal myth. Projection of the highest order. Just another spin on the "communists are spoilt college kids" bullshit. Plus it buys into the fascist crap about cultural incompatibility between workers of different nations.

Ah, right, it's human nature that people would go fascist once in charge.

not really, just look at some countries in Yurop where workers are open to socialism and communism

yeah, thanks to faggots like 'Woko Haram'

I don't think that claim is completely without merit, many communist leaders do come from a wealthy backround and are highly educated but the rest of thread was completely retarded.

The working class is being shit on by upper class kids holding hammer and sickle flags, while trusties on the west coast destroy businesses that working class people work in. Communism is the new fad for them.

user, sit down. It's time for a lesson.

The capitalists define class in a different way than we do. They define class in relation to wealth and income. Poor, middle class, upper middle class, rich, and wealthy. This divides people against one another and allows the envy excuse.

In reality, classes are defined in relation to the means of production. Some cannot work, some work for others, some work for themselves, and some don't have to work at all.

Those who cannot work are the lumpenproletariat: the NEETs and drug addicts and the disabled chronically unemployed

Those who work for others are the proletariat: they are allowed a portion of what they produce in exchange for access to the means of production. This includes all work, from manual labor to white collar to middle management.

Then there are those who work for themselves. These are the Petit-Bourgeois. They include freelancers, Uber drivers, and family business owners who actually work in their own business. They keep all of what they produce, at least in theory (capitalists always have a way of infringing on this).

Then you have those who do not have to work, the bourgeoisie. They use the money they already have to entice the proletariat into exploitative labor arrangements, and make more money by stealing a portion of what's produced. The proceeds from this theft, they refer to as "return on investment."

Unfortunately, using the correct terms for class gets you labeled a LARPer, and turns people away, so we must find euphemisms. Unemployable for lumpenproletariat, working class for proletariat, self employed for Petit-Bourgeois, and investor class for the bourgeois and capitalists.

By using their definition of class, you muddy the debate with their mental framework and their justification for the way things are. Do not allow it to creep into your vocabulary.

Are you an American? People here hate socialism and communism.

I said some for a reason.

It's true.
Every single communist group or organisation you can think of of is founded and headed and filled with muh privileged little shit bourgeois background kids who think wearing red scarf is trendy.
They have not a clue of real struggle or life as proletarian and how much we hate them.

Yes and I know you're not an European now. It is not 'some' it is next to nothing.

Honestly this is so true. Every single communist organization is run and populated by upper class - middle class faggots. Right-wing organizations might not be run by people from the lower class, but a huge chunk of their support comes from the lower class.

Sounds like people need to stand up to those assholes first.

I thought lumprenproles were more like criminals / ghetto people who would never support the revolution even though they are poor because it would mean they would have to stop being criminals.

Why do people care about what these morons on twitter have to say?

Where in Europe do you live? I'm European myself.

Marx's original definition of the lumpen was basically gangsters, who had already organized to exploit people - they were basically extra-legal capitalists with private armies.

But we saw in the late 1960s and early 1970s that the actual lumpen (those who are driven to drop out or become criminals by alienation and poverty) have tremendous revolutionary potential.

Western part.

COINTELPRO pls go

2/10, see me after class

Ethnic tension was a lot worse a century ago, what is this fucking retard even talking about.

The Panthers failed precisely because they didn't abandon their lumpen outlook and social base.

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Such as? even people like engels were from middling families

They were accomplishing real things, but COINTELPRO happened. That being said, it'll never happen again that way because the American state has adapted.

*stares into the blithering light of pure ideology*

This meme is so condescending. Like when some retard says that all non photorealistic art is bourgeois.

Yes, that's true, but COINTELPRO wasn't the only reason they failed/degenerated only a major one.
First pic related is just one of a few examples of their deep understanding of Marxist thought.

The BPP were targeted because they were the least bad among the black radical organizations, and as everyone knows the struggle against segregation was rising around the same time as the anti-war movement.

I mean you had scum like Cleaver who should've never been let into the party but the BPP delayed along time before he was ejected. Even Huey who could be described as one of the most intelligent and least useless of the leadership died a cocaine addict as he let the party slowly drift into complete irrelevance. Hampton probably was killed cause Chicago PD saw he might not be completely useless like the rest of the bunch. Bob Avakian was a friend of Cleaver and the BPP; same story with the Weathermen. And honestly despite the attempts of former panthers and others in the Maoist movement to distance themselves from Avakian and the later RCP the fact is he believed a lot of the shit they believed (and continue to believe) except he was an insufferable cunt from a bourgeois background whose real sin was that he didn't hate all white workers. The RU, which preceded the RCP-USA, had more members and a stronger connection to the industrial working class then the BPP but what started as a promising party that had the potential to fill the role that the CPUSA once held as a mass working-class revolutionary party quickly degenerated into a similar mautistic breakdown. Essentially, the leadership tried to start a riot when Deng Xaopeng came to the US in 1979 in order to create an international incident that they hoped would either undo the Dengist turn to ultra-revisionism or serve as good propaganda value in the world press for the Maoist cause (see Heavy Radicals: The FBI's War on America's Maoists) Unfortunately, for the rank and file, they weren't told about the plan to riot when they came out to demonstrate and apparently plants among their ranks who knew about the plan (I couldn't say if they were police or not) who started the incident and the rest of the party members were just caught up in the confusion.

There's a lot of other stuff about the BPP that's less then savory. MIM, for instance, once claimed approvingly that the BPP experimented with pimping their partners and female party members while they were searching for a true feminist line. Various anarchist critiques featuring former members said that the leadership used to get angry with the rank and file bc they didn't want to wash their cars. It's also well-known that the famous Bloods and the Crips gangs had links with Panthers and were in some ways modeled on them–this is dealt with by the documentary Bastards of the Party) Tupac's contradictory ideal that one could be a gangster and a revolutionary wasn't something that he invented out of thin air tbh.

These are the fruits of Maoism and its set back the communist movement among both white and non-white workers in North America for more then 50 years. I think you can respect what some people struggled for while rejecting the beliefs of the leadership and its ensuing legacy. The bourgeoisie doesn't glorify the 60s and the New Left without reason comrade.

Forgot my flag

there's nothing new about porky-fueled racial tension inside the working class.

this

fucked up right off the bat with "when the working class goes authoritarian"


I don't know if this is the same guy, but I tend to chuckle at WokieLeaks sometimes. The whole "alt-center" twitter is basically butthurt NeverTrumpers with a mild sense of humor, though.

Yeah, this argument omits (glaringly) the historical context of Europe during the 19th century.


Neither is true. The national, religious, and ethnic divisions in Europe a century ago make contemporary society look utopian by comparison. There's a tendency to forget previous catastrophic nationalist struggles on the continent now–probably because reactionaries are pushing a meme that states all would be well without Muslims in Europe. That's never been the case.
And America has always had massive tensions between different immigrant populations, the natives, etc.

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This guy is a trash content creator, I've never found one of his tweets to be compelling in the last 2 years I've been aware of his existence.