Leftist Political Compass

link?

there is no test, you just put a dot where you want
I'd put you in top right for being an authoritarian idpol idealist

idpol realist? you mean that I reject multiculturalism?

nigga what

what the fuck

What did he mean by this?

this is fucked

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I can only imagine what a waste of time it is to make this

That one on the right is probably bullshit, but I find it concerning that the phrase "slope of conformity" might actually make sense to someone.

The whole right half of the spectrum should be labeled "cointelpro infiltrators"

Po-mo faggots aren't the left

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I assume that some of them are legitimately autistic and don't even need to be paid. They'e detrimental to the left nonetheless.

Took me, what, 30 minutes?

oc do not steal

can i still be an anarchist if papa Joe Stalin is my favourite matriarch?

pro-fascism fags really don't get basic shit

I'm not talking about violence; I'm talking about the theoretical attitudes of ANTIFAtards. I'd love to see waves of fascists and other rightists killed or gulaged. Either bring the communist movement or don't.

More or less what I meant when I said even though not getting beat up is better than getting beat up, it's seen as not useful because it isn't primarily focused on bringing the revolution, it's asking us to ignore individual immediate needs.

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Immediate needs are often part of bringing larger changes if they're geared towards such changes. As an example, for revolutionary ends, one can fight hardline reactionaries to generate discussion so that people can turn to leftism. If they go the other way, they can be ridiculed to generate more attention and get ideas to circulate. Even if beating away fascists is done for survival, the extra time that you have can be used for recovery and reading.

how did I do?

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this is not bad i think

but i still belong on the extreme bottom left

and it is black and i am not a middle class child or an anarchist but i repeat myself

please make the colour scheme less disagreeable to me

What do you mean by using "by any means necessary" and why it is 'authoritarian'? Bordiga was a Leninist and by no means an anarchist, though it is widely-known here that he was against opportunism. Would a terminology change do?

Additionally, a "new way of life" would have to be framed within Marxian terms as a reaction to capitalism. What of someone who wishes to create preconditions for communism using a socdem state?

Thirdly, what do we want this to be? A map which regards praxis or stance? If both, then we must add a third axis, with the three axes being: terminal degree of revolution, degree of revolutionary hierarchy/control and revolutionary degree of intermediate stages of revolution.

What colour do you think it should be?

Late seconding.

i want it to be red since i consider myself a communist and don't consider tankies to have a legitimate claim on the term or the colour

also i disagree with the overly-precious quotes under the main terms

"abolish the present state of things" should be under revolution, and "a state of affairs which is to be established" should be under authoritarian

leftcoms could probs think of a nice quote to put under libertarian and i can't think of anything to put under revolution and wouldn't trust rosakillers to think one up or with anything else

authoritarianism is any means neccessary because it puts individual life and well being as secondary to the goal.

Collateral damage for example.

The vertical axis is basically how willing are you to use physical violence against others to achieve your goals.

Rude.

What should be used for the authoritarian side?

This doesn't address one of my concerns here:

Also, what's the font?

This is a good point, you might be right that there would need to be a third axis which shows ultimate goal.

Personally I think it should be interpreted as your long term goal. The original PC allows people to be placed in the far bottom left corner, despite ( I would wager) a lot of those people being involved in mainstream politics doing stuff like voting. Remember the PC is where your views put you (not your actions), hence why it's a good tool for conciousness raising against libs..

yellow? it's the second colour on the big two social democratic state flags

i think it's fine to fold both kinds of reform (economic and political) into the one axis

new vision, in fact I think the black and red is just gonna be contentious and it should be all black and white or something.

yeah i think black and white would be best, my autism will screech no matter what colours are chosen i think

I'd prefer to keep the colours. I've also added a third axis will can be the colour of the point within a set outline.

Deleted last post because I fucked up the alignment and I wanted to post an example (where I put myself).

also you could add some more tendencies to that graph

mutualists and market socialists would be bottom and top far right respectively

tankies shouldn't extend quite so far to the right, to make room for marksucc

orthodox trots should go where cointelpro edgelords are now

cliffite trots should go ~3 units south of orthos

leftcoms should go bottom left

anprims top left, snuggled up to pol pot

teachers should be replaced w/communalists and moved ~3 units west

SJW should be far right, same vertical

fuck yourself.

It's not yellow; it's referencing the gold on various ML flags.

That said, I wouldn't care anyway given that the implications are true.

oh yeah hey should have warned you tankies would hate you forever for taking my suggestion re: yellow

anyway fuck those cunts i like your graph

not 100% on the extra axis though, i sort of thought immediacy/# of stages was sort of what the x axis was about anyway

like if a single stage revolution is your thing (leftcoms, anarchists) then you would be far left

a few defined stages (tankies, ~trots, some market socialists) puts you about the middle

a continuum of stages (ie every law you pass as a succdem or every market you obviate as a mutualist) puts you on the right

What about socdems who aren't communists?

i think if a socdem has gone full Labor Party and eliminated socialism from its list of objectives then they slip off the right side of the graph entirely, yes?

but my quibble is with the original graph i think, listing reform and revolution as different 'goals' when they were originally intended as different methods

plus the graph is neater if you say it's about methods and not goals, because then everyone on the graph technically has the same goal (higher stage communism) despite wildly different ideas on how to get it

I coloured the right extreme of the graph differently for that reason.

So:
Light-Pink = Freikorps
Light Grey = Post-Left
Deep Yellow = Hoxhaism?
Deep Red = Armchair Bordigism

by Freikorps I mean the Iron Front anti-communist SPD types obviously, not the actual armed thugs from history.

Bordiga was a Leninist, so actually I think Pannekoek would be a better fit in Deep Red.

Light Gold (what you call "Deep Yellow") would be somewhere between authoritarian leftcoms and Hoxhaists; Light Grey would be post-left anarchists and poststructuralists; Light Pink would be the "Freikorps" whom you mention and Keynesian socdems.

Here we are no colour arguments.

The aim of the compass is to assess and display your ideal society and the means of achieving/maintaining it. As with the original political compass, it does not show what you are or do, but what you believe to be the ultimate end goal. There might be two people, one who is more of a revolutionist, the other more of a reformist. These two people might both be involved in the same political party or activist meeting, but the stance of the party or meeting (if there is a general stance) they are involved in is not what we are measuring. It is the ultimate goal they aspire to, which the party or meeting may or may not align with.
The goal axis (horizontal) asks you about how far you wish to go. Do you believe that the structures of society are irreversibly oppressive and thus need to be torn down completely, or do you believe that a just society can be found through reformation of current societies structures, both physical and metaphysical?
The process axis (vertical) asks you how are you willing to achieve and maintain order. Is violence ok if it serves a practical purpose towards revolution? What about murder or torture? or do you believe that violence or oppression in the name of the revolution undermines the revolution/society? An important point to make is that being in the bottom section does not mean you would never use violence. Someone being chased by a deranged person with a knife could attack and even kill that person in self defense and still be far south in the compass. Issues such as expulsion, speech, trials, and crime come into this question too.

Sorry, the font is perpetua

Doesn't matter, I've used Droid Serif for this one.

I'm wondering if libertarian is the right word for the bottom axis. Someone on the bottom is the sort of person who will stick to their principles and is against utilitarianism. I think "Democratic" is a better way or putting this, as it implies that the voice of everyone counts, whereas the authoritarian would privlege certain voices, or action from certain people above others.

What are the differences between democratic revolutions, decentralised revolutions and leftcom revolutions?

the vertical line is process so i feel that democratic is more of a process word that libertarian.

The authoritarian idea is that sometimes certain people have to take charge, whether others want them to or not, or even committ atrocities in order to safeguard, whereas the democratic idea is that everyone is equal and has equal value, and that justifying something bad in the name of something good is wrong.

trying to think of a better quote for it,

"two wrongs don't make a right" sounds too silly, and "ends and the means are the same thing" doesn't lend itself specifically to that idea.

Lemme reiterate and slightly reformulate: determine the differences between democracy, 'decentralism' and libertarianism in revolutionary praxis and compare them with a 'leftcom' revolution.

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sorry I don't think I'm qualified to answer that :)

This looks like it's nearly done.

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ok cool now we need to come up with a test similar to political compass

It's beautiful

If that was done it should be done by multiple people of different ideologies so it's not biased or inaccurate.

Political brainlet here. Where does the logo in the yellow corner come from?

can this meme please die

Keeping the colours of my one and changing the symbols; not all of the people in the bottom-left quadrant (like me) will be anarchists. I hear that leftcoms may also be anarchists, so I put the International Communist Current's symbol there.

wat

Where would I be if I believe social democracy is necessary until the means of an anarcho-syndicalist / mutualist revolution can be attained?

Unironically read Bordiga. Also Engles.

I originally posted "okay, 'anarchists' who are closet Marxists and want a decentralised revolution"; though I stand by that statement, you're still referring to class politics, which always tends towards authoritarianism even if it is due to marginal differences in power between classes. However, I am concerned with the social conditions which the proletarian movements set out for the proletarian class.

Think its mutualism. Not sure tho

wew

huh

There are simply more reformist anarchist movements than revolutionary anarchist movements - from ansyn through mutualism and Carsonism to ancap. Antrans can be either unless I know nothing about it.

I had to amend the graph regarding the terminal goal axis. If someone could post the positions (accounting for intermediate steps using colours) then that would be great.

Fair enough, I just get slightly annoyed by the notion that a movement with ultimately "libertarian" (in the communist sense) goals either won't or can't use authoritarian means against it's enemies in order to achieve that goal. In terms of the "social conditions which the proletarian movements set out for the proletarian class" I don't see how it could be anything other than "libertarian" and still be communist.

I'm too trigger-happy to stop deleting my posts.

Do you wish to see proletarian socialism be established as a result of an ansyn revolution? Because I'm uncertain, I've put you in a wide area near the bottom. Note the gradient filling; you'll probably want more stages for a more radical revolution.

what

How are you imagining this?

Whats going on here?

What is your

ORIENTATION?

Putting labels like anarchism etc there is missing the point. The chart is supposed to make leftists think about where they are.

If you put the labels, they'll just point to that, rather than really thinking about where they are.

An anarchist who is for violent repression of non anarchist would therefore be in the top right box, but an anarchist who is mostly against physical violence would be in the bottom box.

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Straight ;^)

That political compass approaches leftism from a mainly-liberal perspective; it's not going to be a good fit at all.

First pic is roughly how the leftist one fits in the original.

Then what is an anarchist? Again, we're referring to social policy for the proletariat as a whole rather than solely class warfare. Second pic addresses this.

Fucked up first pic (though it's much more accurate anyway).

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I think I'll revive this for the lelz, though actually we could be going down a route which involves extreme expansion.

we've reached a new level of autism folks

the fuck is national communism and ultra anarchism?

To put it simply in a brutal and unconsidered manner, I'm sure that some ansyns just want libertarian Stalinism anyway.

What's the yellow star thing?

If we're gonna make the leftist chart thing, it can't be a perfect square. It should be more of a rhombus shape like this, as Marxism Leninism is only social democracy and Ultra-Left, the farthest left position, is only anti-authoritarianism

Now another problem we need to ask is what's in the bottom right? Top right is obviously social democracy, top left is obviously tankies, bottom left is obviously leftcoms and ancoms.

Wait, silly me, it's mutualism!

are you this autistic naturally or did it take years of training and shitposting?

I think it might actually be from someones deviantart

i just googled market/mutualism and used something orange with arrows

oops

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Yes

Read

it is on the same level of materialism, but they are not otherwise similar

Pic related is the shape I've come up with and how it fits with the other super-expanded one I've made. It should include unironic feudalists and I hope that it eventually includes egoist forms of anarchism.

I'd be willing to make the questions for the test if someone knows how to code it so it effects the place of the dot on the map