Why are anarchists so awful?

This is your brain on idpol

The problem wit this is that often in commie talk, words and ideas take on a different meaning than most people are used to. This is why so often in here Holla Forums and left/pol/ will end up shouting past each other.

Marxism isn't even economic determinism, this is fully explained in the reciprocal and nuanced relationship between the base and the superstructure, in which the base is generally dominant.

This is your daily reminder that no matter how dumb anarchists and liberals are, conservatives always beat them

I get what you mean as far as normies go but "unintelligent shitskins" is a pretty unambiguous phrase.

The base/superstructure dichotomy is a spook

how?

because they're right

To be fair, marxists don't own the word class.

Its gibberish.

Nod an arguement.

Nigga, Orthodox Marxism hasn't been relevant since 1917

Base and superstructure are relevant to most of Marxist thought, I'm not talking about some literal tankie interpretation of "dictatorship of the proletariat".

That's right tho.
Systemic racism stems from class society. Industrial gender roles were a necessity of INDUSTRIAL society. Have any of you "marxists" even read a word of marxism?

there's your answer

That's a retarded point, it's not about ownership of a word but about understanding a group's lexicon before you engage with their ideas.

When Marxists study mainstream economics do you think they're not aware of the dichotomy and differences in meaning?

Holy fucking shit. Everything stems from class society and its means of production and distribution your retard, that's the whole point of the Marxist worldview. The base uses, creates, shapes and molds any societal cleavage out there, but that doesn't constitute a fucking class difference.

That's what I just said dipshit
That was not my point.

I know it's shit and a misused term and all the rest, but this kind of thing is where the criticism that lies at the heart of the Right's "cultural Marxism" meme comes from. That leftists are prone to the point of obsession with seeing every social relationship as an oppressor/oppressed class dynamic even when that outlook is inappropriate.

Also interesting that this kind of sentiment is becoming increasingly common as it indicates that a more traditional class focussed left is growing in influence such that the radlibs/idpolers/whatever you want to call them now feel the need to engage in direct apologetics. Though I have to say "gender and race are class systems too" is pretty weak.

I know this is what you said, what I'm trying to shove into your head is that this is an universality, common to all social structure, because this is what Marxism is: the study of how society develops according to its material basis

Yes, I'm explaining something new to you

Why is every "oh, those Marxists haven't even read Marx!" dude always so blatantly ignorant about Marxism themselves?

Bruh you're literally explaining things that I already know and acting hostile when we really agree. Take a chill pill.

Oh, fuck off…

I'm explaining why you're wrong in saying the OP tweet is right, dipshit

And you go chill in some other website where this is common slang

It's twitter that's shit you dumb faggot.

Of all shit subtwitters, woke tankie twitter might take the cake

Don't police my use of language, faggot.

Look the thread (Not the single tweet, the entire thread) was about how the common attitude of economic class or bust lacks a material analysis of racial/gener/etc. oppression. While you are correct that class society is shaped by one's relationship to production, the complete unwillingness to analyze these issues as manifestations of class oppression means we lack a revolutionary solution to them.

DeathPigeon AKA "DP" is not my gomrade, he is intersectional feminists and probbly a liberal as well :DD Anarchism and Books not faulty generalizations and faggot OPs ok. Praise Stirner.

I'll refer you back to :

So stop shifting the goalpost and saying your problem is not with the Marxist definition of class but with other presumptions you've made about us and leave

this, we have to take after Pol Pot and destroy social media

twitter and imageboards are only good for one thing; shitposting

So, not class, then.

You know minors shouldn't use image boards, right? This is a prime example of why.

i-if my twitter gets popular you guys aren't gonna start bullying me are you?

Why should we have to learn lefty lexicon tho? Are you ideas inexpressible in proper words?

good one m8

Words having more than one meaning doesn't mean they're not "proper words", in fact this is pretty common my sad, unintelligent, never-read-a-book friend.

NO THEY'RE AREN'T

I don't see how this is that bad. Sure calling race and gender "class systems" is wrong, and capitalism is what allows for most of this, but if you don't think people can get screwed over because of their race you just being naive. I know being anti-idpol is lefytpols thing, and laughing at liberals is the cool thing in right now, but when someone is fucked over because of their identity is a little bit of idpol really that bad?

Yeah but they're obviously an anarchist.

meh, no one will be able to come close to matching the autism of Neoreactionaries

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So nobody was ever racist or classist before capitalism was invented?

Yes. Racism, as you understand it, doesn't exist.

he's right

??????

I thought this was supposed to be a philosophy for people with over 160 Autism Level?

race and gender are products of class, not classes

the fuck

also

Well I guess defining left-wing to be "literally all governments so I can be edgy on twitter" is one way to win an argument

that's what the guy in the pic said too retard. "class systems", as in systems that are a result and cause of class.
"lel look at how much i piss off le sjws now i can be a lefty while fitting in with my edgy alt right friends"

a class system would obviously be capitalism itself you schmuck, not the social views that exist within it

a class system is not a system resulting from class but the system itself

if your english is just bad I'll give you a pass otherwise youre just fucking retarded

Don't make me start getting proof because you and I both know there's plenty.

Capitalism isn't a class system, it creates the class system

The question we should be asking is, do you want advancement for your identity category within capitalism or do you want to bring down capitalism? The problem with liberal identitarianism is that it aims for an aesthetic makeover of capital, not for its dismantling. An utopia of gender diverse drone operators and woke banking executives

I regularly see this kind of thing in anarcho circles: using "class" as a synonym of "group."

the word filter worked out really well here

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i think you got lost, this is Holla Forums, not /r/socialism

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Sure feels good being this sure of yourself.

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kek

t. person who is not right

I agree. What we need isn't a unified working class revolution. What we need is a more diverse corporate board room.

I hope the guy in your picture stabs you with his sword.

Been seeing a lot more of these people here lately. If it was anyone else I'd welcome more users, but these cunts really have to go back. They're unironically saying "freeze peach" and shitting on proletarian gun ownership. They add nothing to the discussion and take quite a bit away from it.

You know, you could also explain why I'm wrong, but that would require actual thinking to further discourse on your part.

Don't go full Holla Forums you faggot.

Marxists are still comrades.

Calm down you autistic spaz.

heh

Marxists who don't understand Marxist theory are not my comrades.

Whoa top of the notch meme you got there, never seen such a thing like that before.

Except as members of the same class their material interests are objectively aligned. Just because they let their respective spooks keep them from seeing that doesn't mean it isn't true.

What a time to be alive

Makes as much sense as saying class is an economic race.
This shit needs to be stopped and relentlessly rebuked. Even if their intentions are good, this kind of obscurantism poisons the core of our struggle. kill them

i thought yuiposter quit leftypol.

is that sack of pseudo-intellectual shit actually back?

It's an "I'm gonna use words I don't know the meaning of" episode.

This. Misapplying class to indentitarian bullshit is exactly what the alt-right and alt-lite are referring to when they say cultural Marxism. To be honest it's an appropriate use of the words to describe a stupid sphere of ideas. It's the same kind of thing as social Darwinism.

Kid, you're bad, and you're theory is bad. No need for discussion.

No he's far more insufferable than this faggot.

This hits a bit too close to home.

you should follow yuiposter on twitter, dude is a laugh-a-minute egomaniac and it's a lot of fun to watch. I literally laughed out loud when he implied he was a "philosopher".

Agreed. It's funny how these people joke about gulag'ing and don't realize how bad I want them to be gulag'd. And it'd be easy since they're the ones shitting on proletarian weapons training.

Who are these people? Even most SJW communists(or pseudo communists) I have talked to are more or less pro gun.

lmao how assblasted can you be that someone mentioned an issue that doesn’t quite concern you. The logical leap from “racism and sexist exist” to “diverse corporate boardroom” says more about you than about idpol.

I’m as brocialist as it gets, but it’s amazing how sensitive leftypol gets about not being the biggest victim in the room. It’s almost like we’re a bunch of s n o w f l a k e s .

You have not known what insufferable truly means till you, the "marxist" look straightly at the mirror, talking to yourself about Marxism and realize how terribly ignorant you really are, because that's how I feel towards your lot.

Kid, you're bad, and your memes is bad. No need for your intellectual incompetence.

For the rest of you, I'm utterly disgusted by knee jerk reactions to anything that might suggests that race and gender being class related is terrible. Marx had written about these sorts of matters and you lot seem to disregard him.

The vast majority of "anarchists" are liberals larping as anarchists.

What do you think of non LARPer/liberal anarchists then?

I don't think even the real yuiposter was this in love with himself

Stop making threads about this person. Also stop wanking off about your rigid marxist definitions, not everyone is a marxist and not everyone has to bend to your specific definitions of things.

How about instead we agree that language is limited and everyone has differing definitions of terms and learn to compromise them for the sake of discourse instead of unproductively arguing over them.

Hello, fellow bro-socialist! You are correct, we need to do some self-crit and let marginalised voices and POC speak!

class is literally a description of concrete material relationships, identities are not classes

it's even better that it is a "muh spooks" stirnerfag

Disagreeing with your """understanding""" != not understanding. Shoo.

That's where you're wrong.

outsideness has one of the best twitter feeds, peak pseudointellectualism

Goes for marxists as well when they consider anything outside of their bubble. But liberals are way worse.
Actually, why are you acting like any ideology can have a "proper" understanding of any other ideology? Shit's antagonistic by definition.

And make all scientific and academic discourse impossible? Why?

So is their working definition of Communism "Anything left of a CEO-king with absolute power, presiding over a more extreme version of Singapore, with more social Darwinism and eugenics?"

This is a level of word games that shouldn't be possible.

No analysis, no synthesis, comrade.

new hot take

we're coming bucko