When will leftists shut the fuck up about muh imperialism muh bush muh war on terror. These people are at our doorstep ready to commit mass murderer and you think the best course of action is to work the stop the same policies that have been keeping you safe, brutal as they sometimes are?
It isn't true that these people were peaceful goatherders who suddenly turned into terrorists because of muh imperialism but rather they used it as an excuse to carry out the objectives of thier religion
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Leftists aren't liberals. You're talking about liberals. Back to Holla Forums with you.
yeah, bombing weddings doesn't radicalize bystanders or anything, we just need to use a few more bombs and all the scary brown people will disappear.
saged because this is obvious bait
I've been lurking this board and seen PLENTY of posts about "imperialism"
No but the fact that they turn to violent radicalism rather than a secular national liberation movement proves something doesn't it
No it isn't
That's because imperialism is the causation and the current stage of capitalism in the US and Europe, you dense niggerfaggot.
+ Liberalism is an inherently imperialist ideology as well, you dipshit illiterate cunt.
Ban travel, stop the war, everyone wins, fuck yourself.
Imperialism empowers capitalism to go unopposed in the West. The lion's share of the suffering of capitalism is inflicted upon people on the other side of the world because of the West's imperialist policies that allow them to set up sweatshops on compounds like foxconn that are more like slave labor camps.
Ignore the tankies and mautists. They're not liberals, but… alright, the truth is that they're just really dumb. It used to be that "anti-imperialism" was the Pavlovian call of Moscow and Beijing to get them to do their bidding, and when Moscow and Beijing both abandoned their "leftism", the control system remained and slowly became encrusted in and overgrown with the dominant liberal ideology while these few confused true believers who haven't yet realized that it's all over for them continue to run around like headless chickens and spout off about Assad or Palestine or whatever whim Putin has at the moment.
Yes, exactly. Ghandi was brown
I can't have any sympathy for those who choose to defend themselves with an even worse ideology than thier attackers.
Imperialism has time and time again destabilized countries and threatened our ideology in the name of protecting the interests of capitalist countries. Not only that, but it has thoroughly created a vacuum of hatred for the west in the middle east. Carpet bombing villages isn't going to fix anything. The war on terror is unwinnable because it isn't a nation, it is a mentality of a group of people that imperialists have fostered
What if… Disgruntled people find easier to join Islamist cells because they have bigger means of commuication, more recruiting networks thanks to… i dunno more money pounded in them than Secular national liberation movement… What if other movement that could channel discontent have been either anhililated with US blessing or turned dictatorships that people ressent…
Nah must be barabarian genes.
There wasn't Islamic Cells in Nazi Germany
Just saying
It's a fault of the terrorists for hiding in the houses of villagers and whatnot and by extension the villagers are somewhat at fault as well for housing them willingly. You say as if so many innocents were killed but in each and every attack terrorists are killed as well. It's a assymetric war, we have no choice. They strike strictly civilian targets here
It isn't barbarian genes, but more likely the barbarian religion of Islam
and who is responsible for propping up the worst aspects of Islam?
I pity you if you actually believe this. The government is more likely to let terrorism happen to garner public support for more "anti-terrorist" programs than to actually stop one. The San Bernadino and Pulse shooters were on watchlists, the feds just didn't fucking care.
All the government wants is more control over your life, you bootlicking retard. You are more cucked than any pro-Islamic liberal.
The US government has always had the option to leave, but it won't, because it benefits greatly from the constant fighting in the Middle East. Note how the Saudis have since been proven to be responsible for 9/11 but walk clean. You're not making your country any safer by blowing up a children's hospital that some snackbar is hiding in.
Most Abrahamic religion is generally the same in this regard. The reactionary muzzies don't believe they should wantonly murder all nonbelievers as much as they think all terrorism is a defensive response to imperialism, even though the victims are civilians. You might notice this to be the same fucktarded logic that Holla Forums uses, but at least their countries actually are being destroyed.
3 things:
You're a neo-con/trotskyist and you should stop that while its still funny and not depressing.
The reasons for Islamic Arab militancy and nationalism are diverse, many of them stem from Israel and America/France/UK. However, you are right in criticizing overemphasis on the imperialistic terms people on the left use to describe Islamic terrorism. Islam is an expansionist ideology that requires convets and slaves to function, thus it makes sense it would spread violently. This is however mirrored by capitalist liberal democratic ideology, the all pervading forces of """""""Liberty""""""""" and the Market. To deny that there is a zero-sum contest between the two is to be ignorant of the total castration of christian culture within the capitalist liberal democratic cultural sphere of influence. So from this perspective, we see that islam is actually fighting to survive and to have space to flourish. It is incompatible with secular humanist, liberal and capitalist values. So we see conflict, endless conflict between Islam and Liberal Democratic Capitalist culture.
Finally, to ignore the retardation of the United Kingdom's division of Transjordan, Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia is beyond blindness, its madness. These states are not at all representative of demographics or right of conquest. Israel is too small, Saudi Arabia shouldn't even exist, Iraq and Syria should be multiple states. The ridiculous political situation the people's of the Near East dealw ith is precisely due to idiot western meddling which disrupted their cultural evolution. Not to mention the extreme quantities of weapons dumped into these nations militiary arsenals by the West at top dollar. You have to be grossly misinformed or a pernicious deceitful snake to ommit this kind of information when discussing whether Imperialism is a justified term for labeling what is happening in the MENA region. But, you decided to go ahead and ommit this info, because it suits your world view. Like Holla Forumsyps screaming about the Holodomer and then totally ignoring the polish and Ukrainian victims of the holocaust.
TLDR: you're a trotskyist, illiterate/dishonest, ahistorical, alarmist
Communist militias are united with muslims in fighting amerikkkan supported takfiri terrorism in Syria, Trotskyist be like nah I prefer al qaeda.
Watch this if you want to know the origin of muslim terrorism (partially anyway)
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Also, how can terrorism be inherent to islam when there was a long period of time where there was no islamic terrorism, but islam existed?
Anyways, you wouldn't believe it, but The US, isreal, and Turkey all fund and enable various terrorist networks for political gain
Saudi Arabia (which right-wingers like to pretend doesn't exist for some reason?) Is a major if not the largest contributor both directly to terrorist cells, as well as exporting wahabbism, a sect of islam that most terrorism springs from (note this is a sect, just like Christianity there is intense debate over interpretations. Many muslims don't agree there are any worthwhile teachings in the hadiths for example)
also, they hate the west because of liberalism. So if anything they're on your side, assuming you're a conservative/traditionalist aka gay people scare me because I follow my basest hateful instincts and women should be my slaves)
Hope ur family gets jihad' OP
I genuinely want to invite in radical islamists.
you literally don't know ANYTHING about the history of the middle east if this is your opinion. Pick up a fucking book jesus
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aint just the middle east you faggot. Also You realise the CIA funded Saddam Hussein in the Iran Iraq war, AS WELL AS selling arms to Iran and The Mujihadeen in Afghanistan, who became the Taliban , who then became ISIS
google Camp Buqqa
and learn some fucking history
Not even imperialism. How to fix terrorism is a simple question with a simple answer:
STOP FUNDING IT
Does anyone have that fuck Gandhi screen cap
Looks like we really need it right now