The Leftcom Cancer

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Leftcoms are the shield against the plague of reddit and twitter tankies and dipshit trots; I never see em go after narcos beyond bants.

Also if you adopt leftism as an identity and get arseblasted at people riffing with you; chances are your a libshit babby.

Also I fucking love that you tankie and trot rats are to scared to flag up on the board.

I am also neither tankie nor trot. but I appreciate that there are actually tankies and trots doing things irl. Socialist Alternative actually runs people in elections, and MLKP is fighting in Syria.

Fuck off.

you first

they're probably reddit too, except they're so autistic an average retard from /r/socialism can't handle their radiation

Your tankie trot shit didn't work 100 years ago, isn't working now and will never work.

wowitsfuckingnothing

As bad as Leftcoms might be at times they will never be as cancerous as soviet apologists.

I don't think tankies or trots will be the dominant ideology in either the US or Syria, but at least they're being helpful. more than I can say of leftcoms. You guys also had your chance 100 years ago, in case you forgot.

Also, if its so easy to get elected to municipal government or fight in a civil war, why don't you do it faggot?

im not a leftcom

Because it doesn't advance us to communism in any appreciable sense

This board is like the Mandarin language - full of opportunity.

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It builds organization and raises class consciousness. how do you expect to bring about communism without that?

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Leftcoms dindu nuffin :^)

Haha great post! Well meme'd my friend!

Go directly to gulag.

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Communists aren't the radical historical subject, it is the proletariat consciousness of the proletariat-in-itself, which arises when they come face to face with an event that can no longer be sublimated within the edifice of Capitalism.

The russian revolution wasn't because of the bolsheviks and didn't even happen along Communist lines initially.

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*conscious

lmao. whether or not they are THE emancipatory subject, communists cannot expect people to take them or their theory seriously if they do nothing. they cannot expect emancipation to occur without action.

Sure. But if the bolsheviks hadn't been an existing political party that had taken part in parliament, would they have had the organization and power to capitalize on the russian revolution? almost certainly not.

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This. Leftcoms and ancoms are best friends.

kek, sure thing kiddo. why don't you go ask them about that?

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You are assuming do nothing is what I advocate for.

And Communists are not the emancipatory subject; this is basic Marxism.

They where fringe Jacobin tier fanatics and viewed as such until the liberal Social Democrats reneged on their promises to withdraw from the War, threw Russia into utter chaos, sparked mutiny and rebellions before finally -amongst this tumult-Bolsheviks could garner enough support to strong arm opposition and enact their plan, which failed spectacularly.

sectarianism is aids

leftcoms > stalinists > Maoists > primitivists > nazbols

We have way worse people here than leftcoms. As long as leftcoms shit equally on everyone and dont jump on the muh unity wagon I am fine with them.

Combat Liberalism

Leftcoms have good analysis and are often well-read. I must say their pessimism and criticism of every leftist movement doing anything does get a bit tiresome though. Idk why everyones always shitting on Tankies, Leftcoms, and Ancoms they are all okay in my book (except when they start arguing with each other). My real problem is with the crypto-liberals, socdem neets and that one cancerous market anarchist poster (not all market anarchists but one is annoying as fuck).

I literally just said they weren't. try reading next time.

as for the bolsheviks. no shit they were fringe. but they were still there. a marxist bookclub as the leftcoms would have us would be literally nothing.

Postulates that they could potentially be the empirically existing emancipatory subject i.e that they could actually overthrow capitalism doesn't it?

I'm glad we're getting some hate again.

That's a Stalinoid term. Left communists don't believe in the concept of revising theory; theory and writing is up for interpretation. This is the entire reason MLs can justify themselves with their reading of Marx and council communists with theirs. There is no one holy reading one mustn't revise or face the wrath of uncle Joe's correctional labor; the most correct reading, if there is one, will be the one that actually holds up properly in theoretical discourse.

This term gets thrown around a lot by people who don't really know what it means. It's the same as the term "activism"; ironic self-deprecation has apparently reached out far enough that people who don't get the joke start using these terms within genuinely meme-tier contexts that almost fit the memes themselves.

All in all, it seems Schrödinger's Ultra strikes again: doing nothing while at the same time actively ruining everything for the real revolutionary newspaper salesmen and charity fund donors.

RevLeft has a single board dedicated just to left communists, even a Bordigist subsection, and it's got some of the most heated discourse. A lot of them have been culled though, as it turns out RevLeft started to get moderated by a NOLA shill who banned anyone who said something about her demands, which were to vote Democrat as a lesser evil and not to persuade people to be vocal about it.

Also, I'm assuming you're the same guy who has that really personal hatred for left communism and Bordiga who made an entire thread dedicated to me, and will consistently sperg at people with the left communist flag whenever possible. The fact that I have, with effort and honesty, indulged your autism every on many occasions should give me at least a few brownie points for taking critique seriously, ya dig?

alright, perhaps I could have been a little more clear, however the rest of that sentence indicated that I was talking about the emancipation of the mass of people.

gaaaang shit

wat. Tankies were the number one exporter of the united front strategy (unite all parties regardless of ideological background that want to ally!) and especially anarchists were themselves caught in several popular fronts against capital.

Left communists, me included, disagree heavily with anarchists, but at least one thing is clear: they do not have the poisonous tendency of thinking the proletariat needs to be led; to be indoctrinated with the correct form of politics and that if they deviate, they need to go to gulag. Left communists have historically written mounds about Bolshevik repression of not just the working class at large, but specifically anarchists. Kronstadt, a case of anarchists getting repressed in the name of "practicality", was the culmination of various other working class men facing dire economic situations that were practically forced to labor at gunpoint under a Comintern that had turned to the right.

Also,
just noticed how insane this is. Literally implying that you have a look into the daily life of posters here and what they do IRL and that people's shitposting here can in any way actually contribute to any revolutionary form of politics. How many levels of e-activism are you on, my dude?

I also thought this thread would confirm what you said in the OP, but most replies appear to say left communists are generally good posters and that you're a faggot. In that regard I'm probably just as surprised as you are, because leftcoms, myself included, can get pretty smug.

Gee, it's almost like there's some kind of pattern here.

Doing nothing but trying to get idiots to join your bookclub and spreading your open disdain for leftists actually doing shit.

Oh yes, that heated discourse of 2 posts per thread!
revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=970

You mean all the times you brushed off any substantial critique as "whataboutism" and accused me of siding with liberals at every opportunity?

I don't want them banned. trust me, there are some strings I could pull if I really wanted to. I just want them to be bullied everytime they post.

non-bordigists leftcoms are fine in my book, as they're mostly council communists.

leftcoms > tankie plague

every single tankie must be killed come revolution

Aren't the LeftComs on this board basically exactly what Bordiga describes in the last paragraph? They would denounce even the work Bordiga proposes here as "activism" or "reformism" and post that snide Mickey Mouse image which basically comes down to "everything happens automatically xd". They're essentially LARPing at being Bordigists.

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I'm glad that this is your idea of the left's existential threat today. Holla Forums, hot bastion and true hope for communism in the 21st century, is under attack by people who like Bordiga.

Like I said, there was a massive banwave of posters. All activity was gone after the account deletions, which obviously instantly turned pretty much all sections left communist related into ghost towns. The largest of all, a clique following a use called red-rooster, all got banned and they were the most active there. That same group is now banned or targeted by moderation on virtually all left wing subleddits, and red-rooster himself had to delete his leddit account on threats of doxing from r/socialism mods (where leftcoms are still persecuted because they don't tolerate identity politics, don't hold back on critique in the name of "anti-sectarianism" and other diseases that dominate the modern left).

Well, your main "critique" has been
while ignoring the actual theoretical discussion of fascism, bourgeois democracy left wing anti-fascism and what they all mean and do not. That's a mode of "arguing" I'm not too hot to indulge.

Tough luck; they don't really exist anymore. What you might be looking for is communization theory, which is where most council communists flocked to, with communization itself being a tendency that incorporates council communist theory (as well as parts of Leninism, Bordigism, anarchism and of course generic Marx).

Do it faggot. 💺

Leftcoms are the only ones who actually read books and therefore I vote to kick everybody else out, especially OP.

What part of Leninism does it integrate? Never got the impression LeftComs liked Vlad all that much.

LeftComs are actually the complete opposite of sectarians (hard for tankies to understand) and level critique at everyone, including themselves, equally. In the same vain they also take from everyone, including themselves, what has worked and incorporate it into their theories and critique. Lenin is no exception here and you will find that his vanguard party is used a lot as a starting point within Leftcom critique concerning communist organization.

I've never once seen a leftcom self critique

I actually enjoy it when there is actual disagreement and debate between tendencies here, even though the arguments tend to disintegrate into ad-hom and assorted silliness. Leftcoms are generally well-spoken and read so I welcome their contribution even if I disagree with them ideologically.

I'm an anarkiddy but leftcoms are by far my favourite marxists

Leftcoms doing nothing is a silly meme. Leftcoms are politically active all the time, they merely reject opportunism and understand that ideas such as "raising class consciousness" are silly Trot shit and if anything only serve to further legitimize parliamentary bourgeois democracy.

only cuz we're suffering an obnoxious stalinist infestation

Lenin advocated for communists to be involved in parliamentary politics. And I have never in my life seen a politically active leftcom.

leftcoms are essentially stalinists minus stalin

Not sure what you're trying to say

Have you every seen a leftcom? I'm assuming of course you're talking about your personal, lived experience, because prominent leftcoms are known and have been politically active in their lifetime, such as the infamous Bordiga.

stalinism minus stalin isn't anything you idiot

prole.info/texts/leninismandtheultraleft.html

Left communists of both tendencies, while the term "sectarianism" literally was not used to my knowledge, all historically put a lot of value in not deviating from what they believed was proper praxis. Perhaps you have a different idea of what sectarianism means, but this rigid adherence to one's principles is what most people consider sectarianism. Maybe the fact that most left communists on Holla Forums (from what I've seen at least) do their best to critique other posters with some form of rigor instead of just saying "lol anarkiddie xd" or "lol tankie xd" gave you the idea that we're constructive and thus not sectarian.

Bordigists, where they still exist, engage in union/syndicate organizing (most that's left to do with how non-revolutionary the proletariat is today). The Bordigist ICP in Italy survived in fairly large numbers and is probably the largest and most active element of the Italian SI Cobas. They are also the few to bring to light violent bourgeois suppression of strikes, which have been happening more and more.

Don't think he's a Stalinist, but he's putting on his best impression right now all right. If I recall correctly, he's a "Rousseaun market socialist who believes in idealism within materialism" (his own words, if I do recall them correctly).

Ctrl + F "gravedigger": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadeo_Bordiga#In_the_Communist_Party_of_Italy

TFW I was literally banned for my posts ITT.
TFW this guy is so assblasted that he has his buttbuddy ban me without breaking any rules.

more like becoming overgrown with weeds than under attack.

then go start your own fucking board and stop bothering the rest of us with the much greater cancer of sectarianism.

that's literally how you critique historical figures. how are you to appraise the actions of past figures then by what they could have done instead?

and to you it's either abandon all principles and go join the liberals or literally do nothing. your sectarianism blinds you to the opportunity of working with other anti-capitalists. the right wingers and liberals have no such qualms about being united.

Bordiga is dead you fucking moron.

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/

The ban was for 30 minutes and u literally asked for it m8.

wew lad

I'm not kicking them out, I'm asking them to leave

I said Rousseau was creating a theoretical framework of materialism within idealism, and that we can extract that materialism for our practical uses.

I just believe pic related. I raid each philosophy of whatever makes sense to me. I have yet to find one single aspect of bordigism that is worth taking though.

I also asked for the OP to curb his autism but you weren't there for me (or him, the poor soul) either. What gives?

Is this unironically what you're going to justify your personal vendetta's mod abuse with?

No wonder anarchists are getting a bad vibe from you too.

It's not my responsibility to curb autism. but if someone wants to get banned, who am I to deny them?

anyway, there will be no mass banning of leftcoms. if I really wanted you gone, I could have banned you permanently. it's just a prank bro :^)

There is nothing wrong with "sectarianism", somehow the tankies here are more open towards the most idiotic rightwing ideas than some critique that is atleast somewhat grounded in leftist thought.

IF there is one group of people that ruin the sub its the Stalinist idiots, who also do nothing, allways whine, never read, hate on all action and often support anti-communist regimes.

I think we should just continue to autistically infight while trying to find common ground, but not in the name of some tankie interpretation of left unity but in the name of having a coherent ideology.

I don't care what communist line you take, I don't even want leftcom posters to be banned. but don't expect me not to call you out for the faggots you are.

redditor detected

Nice, let's be friends?

if you'd like, user

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LeftComs are probably one of the few on Holla Forums that consistently have quality posts, actually read Marx and oppose all the cancers like idpol, SocDem and tankies and you want them gone? Fuck off.

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I don't know what's the reason for this but thank you comrade.

I don't know what a leftcom is.

can you elaborate on this? it's not the first time i ask but last time the thread got deleted.

Imageboards are supposed to be full of shitposting of various tones, and at least leftcoms are on topic; anfem poster and the tankies are retards, but they can handle the banter which is what matters. When it comes to Holla Forumsyps, they are either hilarious to watch or easily reasoned with if they come here disillusioned with the spooks they were bamboozled into believing.

The real issue is the liberal ledditkids that keep trying to shoehorn their postmodern babble idpol into everything because they are literally mentally incapable of imagining politics without identity. They aren't technically shitposting as much as they are trying and failing egregiously to contribute to any meaningful discussion.

Ultimately the root of this is on us, however. Even when people acknowledge why idpol is bullshit, they tend to forget why it's so effective: it appeals to an individual's personal sense of being, which can make it hard to maintain a sense of perspective. When people feel personally attacked, they get drawn in deeper.

leftcom are going to be the anfems of 2017

jesus christ were leftcoms always this terrible and i just never knew ?

they're like the centrists of socialism

"Marx was reactionary"

Is centrist just some generic insult you throw at everyone you don't like or are you politically illiterate?

I think he means they're as obnoxious as "centrists", not that they're at the center of the left.

I don't find them obnoxious. They almost always have the best criticisms of other leftists. It's only obnoxious when people that either don't understand leftcom theory or are just shitposting go on about doing nothing and armchairs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_communism

They're often painted as being against all organization and sitting lazily in their armchairs, calling only for spontaneous revolution and talking about how any sort of activism is "opportunism"

That being said, certain internal tendencies such as autonomism are extremely active with measures such as salting and wildcat strikes.

Left communism by that definition is perfectly fine, the leftcoms here are Bordigists aka edgelords that think being as contrarian as possible is intellectual.

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But they actually read Marx and argue decently about theory. They don't go "LOL ANARKIDDIES AM I RIGHT?" every 5 seconds and quotedrop Marx and Lenin without understanding what either writer says and deny mass deaths under state capitalism. You know who I'm talking about.

You know what, those people are fine, even if I hate them by this point because they're a discussion-choking infestation. Even if they're as dumb as their overlord Muke, at least they're sincere and (I think, not 100% sure) are making an effort at posting.

The only person that needs to be banned is that one annil because he makes all anarchists look dumb, isn't really an anarchist, and is an ancap in a different flag. I suppose the last point there would have sufficed, but the point's made. Ban that fag.

I never said they should be banned, I just think they are retards.

The only people who probably should be barred from posting are the ones from leddit that keep trying to suck every non-idpol left wing community into their cold void of narcissism.

and yet they still only shit out the same canned ideas that created the failures of 20th century leftism. they are completely incapable of self awareness.

I've seen 1 stache and 2 more tanks this whole week aside from a single lenin hat, MLs in this board are a dying breed but anarkids won't rest until they reach squatopia.

This is not how it works.

Lets purge all marxists from the free territory of Holla Forums tbh

come get us

"Sectarianism" has become a codeword for "disagreeing with me".

You should include us Nazbols under your number.

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Shame tbh

marxists*

Bordiga was a disruptive wanker who pissed off everyone in the Third International and should have died in prison; but the fascists didn't see the point since they had Gramsci, and it's not like he did anything to oppose them.

Some of the most autistic and uninformative """debates""" on here come from leftcoms and freudposter(s) trying to outdo each other in passive-aggressive shitposting. They are ONLY good for shutting down rank-and-file tankies – who haven't read anything anyway, so hardly a feat of intellect.

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The ICP got interviewed on their involvement with the Si Cobas recently here, so that's a good look into it: libcom.org/library/interview-international-communist-party-sicobas-movement.

Bordigists, like most left communist tendencies historically have, generally shun unions as organ of revolutionary use but they have steered the already-unorthodox basis of the Si Cobas to a much more class-centric basis rather than a strict trade-centric basis (most unions today syndicate both wage laborers and proprietors because they're either compromised or "forgot" what classes are).

You're market socialist aren't you?

leftcom is the only good tendency.

Thank you

But leftcomism is the only tendency which is
not retarded etatist soc-dem-soc
not 'anti-imperialist' mugabe cocksucking
not activism
not idpolism
not electoralism-parlamentarism
not possibilism
not post-keynesiam-homo-reformism
not praising 20th century state capitalism

reddit.com/r/shitleftistssay/comments/60rq1g/is_leftypol_allowed_its_high_time_we_addressed/

Are you sure you even could?

READ NIGGA READ
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch07.htm

- Nazbols
- Trots
- Socdems
- Baathists
- Leftcoms

Don't actually exist on leftypol. They're all dedicated shitposting flags.

god I wished

youtube.com/watch?v=IFACrIx5SZ0
1:24-1:35 real footage of a ML building socialism

literally every leftcom on earth has read this fucking garbage

and learned absolutely nothing, it seems.

You people will never learn anything from the fall of the USSR, it failed on all levels both in economic level " NEP state capitalism" and on the theoretical level "the vanguard will never regress to capitalism"

It is time to stop being children of communism and pick up a real theory u fucks.

yo i'm literally LMAOing at your life right now. Here you are genuinely posting on a copycat of a copycat anime imagebaord thinking it's an effective way to "expand class consciousness" to all those stupid proles on Holla Forums and reddit while I sit here, in my armchair, being paid WEEKLY by the CIA to shitpost

Thanks. I know leftcoms have a tendency to shit on you (look at /r/ultraleft in the last month) but it's because it's far too easy to shit on trots, socdems, and tankies (same thing, really).
It's out of love

Lenin took power, he was successful in that, and advice on how to do so is exactly what he gives in that link.

also

I know it's hard for autistics to take social cues and context clues, but take a look at his picture, and then take a look at your post. Not every leftcom is a Bordigist or vanguardist

oh in that case, carry on. I don't particularly care about non-bordigst leftcoms, though I would prefer you engage in org building and elections. the fact that they do this, plus vanguard autism, puts them over the top.

however, this fellow

seems to think you don't exist.

That guy (>>1496440) is actually kind of right. I only really use the leftcom flag because there's no communization flag and it's good for shitposting. Leftcoms of the German/Dutch tendency (workers councils, non vanguardism) don't really exist anymore in the traditional sense

You mean you'd prefer it they were social democrats.

Which is why the term "leftcom" means literally nothing and shouldn't be used.

This is dumb, the various leftcom sects have more in common with each other than they do woth other tendencies. Besides, pretty much all modern leftcoms are influenced by bordiga to some extent even if they aren't "bordigists".

This is a joke, right?

No. Read a book.

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Which book?

Are you sure that they doesn't exist anymore…
The Wertkritik, situationists international, and the participatory economists are councilsts

libcom.org/library/eclipse-re-emergence-communist-movement

I'm not denying councilists don't exist or didn't leave behind any influence, but the leftcom councilists from the first half of the 20th century don't really exist anymore, I guess, and those are the only councilists which I would truly call leftcom.

Like said, the term "leftcom" functioning as a label, especially when the USSR no longer exists, is kind of retarded

Oops I meant not

you are listing things that no longer exist. the situationists were indeed self-associated left communists but not council communists; they were situationists. a support for workers' councils does not make one a council communists. every communist supports workers' councils as a means of proletarian organization, what made council communists council communists was their complete rejection of anything but spontaneous organization and workers' councils as approach to worker organization. council communists for example rejected parties outright. this is why they mostly died after rühle, gorter and mattick. left communist today is more a tag that says: i do not support the "right" of communism (trotskyism, stalinism, maoism, etc.). otherwise there is (french) ultra-left (various things) and communization theory as main strands associated with people who call themselves that. bordigist communists still do exist, but even they have massively assimilated damen, théore communiste and communization theory.

The situationists were politically council communist expect for Mustapha Khayati he was a third worldist, even Bookchin recognized this

Most of the movement you are talking about in the first half of 20th century were mostly intellectual like the "Socialisme ou Barbarie" tho not exclusively council communist.

Joke again?

marxists.org/archive/damen/1970/bordiga-obituary.htm (-→ Bordiga’s Limitations). Bordiga is but a single pillar in so-called "Bordigism" (left communists who appear Bordigist will only use the term as referent to this, and it is in the end just a descriptor for a tendency that only partially has to do with Bordiga).

BTW this text (marxists.org/archive/damen/1970/bordiga-obituary.htm) is also relevant to OP's ridiculously autistic claim:

As far as critiquing Marx, read literally any of Bordiga's works himself. Most of them contain many adaptations, evolutions or even negations of Marx's own ideas and general Marxist ideas considered principle to material assessment and communist praxis.

The bordigist will hardly present any idea as such. it's always, "no this is what Marx REALLY meant". But I would very much like to hear which ideas Bordiga "negated". I don't doubt that he did, as even orthodox marxists don't have as much autism as Bordigists.

Bordigists only raise Marx's words and intentions when people raising them themselves to justify their actions utterly fail in doing so (e.g. MLs who haven't read Socialism: Utopian and Scientific but claim to be in line with Marx, market socialists who haven't read the Paris Manuscripts but think markets and capitalism are mutually exclusive in Marx, etc.). The former I just noted were the ones to formally conceive of revisionism (of their only TRUE doctrine) as a crime against the working class despite being the biggest revisionists themselves ffs.

As this guy said Bordigists, as with all left communists, are not purists to just the word of Marx (every other individual who fancies himself a revolutionary should, to be frank), but acknowledge the fact that he contributed to many undeniable truisms and theories worthy enough to consider all these truisms combined worthwhile of being referred to as "Marxism".

Tankies and Trots are just quaint quasi religious cultists, sort of like the leftist version of the amish or scientologists.

This is empirically untrue. They bring Marx up in arguments with non-marxists all the time. Lurk moar.

The mind of the bordigist, everyone.

not all trots are the sparticist league.

The content of his words and their value in a discussion, not just Marx as holy authority figure. The way you posit it is like saying people who bring up Zizek in a discussion with an analytical are Zizek cultists. Can you tell the difference between people who use the existence of Marx without an intelligible idea of what he said versus people who bring up the words of Marx to make a point?

You're right, Trots today are much worse at mythologizing Trotsky, supporting social democrats, selling newspapers and holding summer camps than the Sparts were. I mean just look at PDF related. SAlt is the largest Trot group, and it's just low energy cultism with almost no theory as well.

That's not at all what I'm saying. You were the one who declared that leftcoms only bring up Marx with those who use Marx to justify their actions, that's not true at all.

kill urself, sparts are actual cultists.

Can you read?
>difference between people who use the existence of Marx without an intelligible idea of what he said versus people who bring up the words of Marx to make a point
As in, merely using Marx's ontology as authority versus actually using the content and the merit of his words in a discussion. Again: can you tell the difference?

wew.

I've seen leftcoms use this interchangeably regardless of who they're talking to.

You yourself said
That would imply using both marx as an authority, and his content.

The real irony here is that this is all coming from a guy who believes you can't be a revolutionary without hanging onto every single word Marx scribbled down.

I haven't. Ever. Marx as authority I've seen pretty much only with a leftcom flag against people who themselves raise him as an authority fallaciously (which is like 90% of the time tankies).

Yes, depending on whether they're talking to
Ergo, Marx as authority against people who themselves use Marx as authority. It says it right there. Do you lack reading comprehension or am I getting wew'd again?

Which guy? You have a leftcom here for example literally saying revisionism as a concept is useless.

At least take the time to read my posts before replying. Or the entire thread for that matter.

Well, I guess we just read different threads, as they use him as an authority figure in conversations with market socialists and mutualists all the time.

And you say that that's the only instance in which leftcoms bring up Marx as an authority, and I'm telling you, you haven't been lurking if you think that's the case.

Are you not the same poster who wrote

I've seen threads with leftcoms debating market socialists and mutualists. It had nothing to do with using Marx as authority figure, but once again the content of his critique; the value of his theories and so on. If these posit a challenge to market socialists and mutualists, they can be used to illustrate that. That's a whole world different from "Marx (PBUH) and his wisdoms as the only True guide to communism", which is what you'd hear coming from a tankie (who quite ironically wouldn't know much of what Marx actually thought on things to begin with).

I've been here for over 2 years now and I can't remember a single instance in which Marx was being used as just an authority figure and it wasn't a tankie. As others in this thread have said, I've found on the contrary that leftcoms are some of the better posters on the board because they're well-read and informative. You're in the minority to have that opinion.

Where does this suggest
That quote of me literally starts out by saying that left communists are not simple purists to Marx, then says that instead they just acknowledge he's contributed a lot of theories that are elementary to any understanding of capitalism (the fact that even non-Marxist socialists to this day still use formulations, theories, adaptations and concepts made by Marx like the law of value, surplus value, tendency for the rate of profit to fall, etc. should say enough). And the last part says these are all coherent enough be called "Marxism" as encompassing term.

Your reading comprehension sucks again and you're almost the only one to have a view of leftcoms that is spook-tier on the board (or at least ITT). Good luck with that.

Sounds like you've been reading very selectively. It's always, Marx said this, Marx said that, go read Marx, go read Bordiga, spamming the law of value video series. All of it is simple regurgitation, zero critical thought. They detach his content from the real world and expect everyone else to accept it uncritically. I've been here for three years and have yet to find a bordigist poster who wasn't absolute cancer. Same with freud posters. They are the kind of people who take " read x" meme to mean that they should believe everything they read.

You literally say they are purists not just to the word of marx but all other truisms that make up "Marxism". If that wasn't your intent, then write with greater clarity next time.

You didn't say capitalism. You said Marxism with a capital M. Certainly, many theories of capitalism contain a few ideas adopted from Marx, but Marxism in of itself is not the only school of thought capable of analyzing capitalism. There are plenty of things to be critical of Marx for, though, not that a leftcom will ever admit to being critical of Marx.

Plenty of people ITT have agreed with me, and considering this thread was linked to Reddit, with many of the same defenses of leftcoms being posted there, I think we all know where this "outpouring" of support is coming from.

Bullshit. "Read Bordiga" as an actual argument never happens. It's like saying the "Google Bookchin" meme is all Bookchinfags have to say (ironically there's quite a bit of Bookchinfags who do that and just post PDFs and quote stuff, but not all of them).

No, what I literally said was
>Bordigists, as with all left communists, are not purists to just the word of Marx
That's on your reading comprehension, not me.

You're taking me saying
outside of the context in which I said the term "Marxism" is pertinent to an understanding of capitalism. What I said there was that "Marxism" is a useful term to combine a bunch of Marxist principles unlike revisionism, and that that's how left coms (and most of us) use the term "Marxism".

That reddit post I'm seeing was posted barely 3 days ago. This thread is now almost 6 days old, and over two thirds of the posts ITT were made before that reddit thread was poste and they are overwhelmingly in support of leftcoms and against OP's opinion on leftcoms and in general against his call to censor them or anyone just because they disagree. As they should be disagreeing, because leftcoms are one of the few better demographics of the board.

So again your reading comprehension sucks total balls and you can't admit it when you're wrong. You couldn't even compare post dates before launching another claim that is easy to verify in like 3 seconds. I'm out.

That's happened to me at least three times now.

The just plus negative means that the sentence should be read as "Bordigists, as with all left communists, are purists to the word of marx as well as"

This thread is four days old you technological illiterate. Just hover your mouse over the timestamp.

The OP also isn't calling for leftcoms to be censored, just that they should be constantly called out on their bullshit. As they should be, they are among the worst posters of this board, down there with tankies and anfems.

Well what are you waiting for?

You forgot to add "not doing anything"

Right now the only real-world revolutionary tendencies are libertarian socialism and M-L(-M).

Nazbol isn't socialism

Implying the revolutionary character of a tendency depends on mere circumstances.

Oh not at all.

But do you know of any militant leftcom movements? Or even a single leftcom volunteer in any of these three conflicts?

Are you seriously implying you have knowledge of what tendency every Rojava volunteer subscribes to?

Libertarian Marxism is a descendant of left communism

I'm talking about all three.

A descendent yes. But the biggest difference is that libertarian socialism doesn't wait for the revolution. It fights for it.

So you know the tendency of every volunteer across all three of these organizations?

No. But I can point out that all, or at least one of the three have Maoists, MLs, Hoxhaists, Trotskyists, Anarchists, Libertarian Socialists, etc.

I can't find anything about leftcoms though. The only thing I find is leftcoms criticizing Rojava. Which is fine in itself, but besides that nothing revolutionary.
I can't even find a single leftcom militant group.

Can you rule out Fascists fighting for Rojava, or that a teapot is orbiting the sun?
Burden of proof. I'm not saying with certainty that there are absolutely none. But I can't find them either.

The point is you don't know and nobody here does so it's a pointless question. The last fucking Blanquist is in Rojava so the possibilities are really endless.

I am curious about your definition of a "militant group".

See the pictures in the above post. That's what "militant group" means.

Not a sunday reading group with grannies.

How exactly?

Is that a joke?

The entire Western left isn't militant. That's not exclusive to leftcoms.

What are you doing about it where you live?

So the US army is a militant revolutionary group? Cause they have guns too you know?

Your stupid local anarchoshit is irrelevant.
Leftcoms DON'T AGITATE FOR DOING NOTHING THEY AGITATE FOR NOT DOING RETARDED SHIT, there's a difference.

Everybody read it you mongrel. There's a thing called CONCRETE HISTORICAL CIRCUMSTANCES which should guide our actions (as they did Lenin's) and which can be different.

And what is "retarded shit"? Not all activism is smashie bullshit.

You have to let Mussolini in because to do otherwise would be a bad thing.

That would be liberal democracy.

AFAIK bourgeois democracy =/= Bordiga.

Also, Bordiga did not do nothing to stop fascism. His rejection of the united front came with the ratification of the trade union front strategy.

Fascism triumphed in countries in which the revolutionary assault after World War I matured into a series of armed insurrections. In Italy, an important part of the proletariat, using its own methods and goals, directly confronted fascism. There was nothing specifically anti-fascist about its struggle: fighting capital compelled workers and the young CP (created at Livorno, January 1921, and led by the "Bordigist" faction) to fight both the Black Shirts and the cops of parliamentary democracy altogether.

Second, here's a reminder of the dangers of opportunistic alliances and why they have never resulted in anything remotely good for the proletariat:
insurgentnotes.com/2012/10/notes-towards-a-critique-of-maoism/

Someone's triggered

Not to sound completely ignorant, but are there really all that many 21st Century leftcoms outside of communization? I always got the impression most Leftcoms today are into communization, are there any other prevailing tendencies of note?

I want to kill you.

Yes. Most left coms today indeed subscribe to communization theory, with the works of Dauvé and Endnotes being very fundamental.

There are still some "orthodox" Bordigists in Italy like the ICP (an article ITT above details their efforts in recreating class unions and organizing workers), but no council communist movements really exist anymore.