Leftist Anime

Western literature is 1D. It's nice, but oftentimes a bit flat.
Western cinema is often not able to do the same kind of suspense-building or things like that than anime. Don't get me wrong, both are nice. But anime just tends to go a lot more in-depth and tries to make the observer think, similar to good lit. But cinema is just made to escape, it doesn't have the same kind of depth often. Ofc, there's always exceptions. There's crap anime, or a whole genre of anime that's just "cute girls doing cute things". I guess some people prefer to just go mindless and shit. I'm not a fan of it.

Do you mean socialist and comunist animes?

leftypol is infested with SJW's. Disgusting

fuck I love that series

it made me feel like I was worth something

I know, right? To me, it felt like a huge breath of fresh air from capitalism's alienation.

A few other anime that are worth mentioning on my list are (that have a semblance of leftism in them):
Clannad: After Story (How important social relations & family are)
NGE (A lot of individual interpretations)
Grave of the fireflies (War-time horror)
Angel Beats (People who have sufferered under the ills & alienation of capitalism)
Barakamon (Reminder that profit is not everything)
ReLIFE (How capitalism puts people against each other)

Anime is Jewish!

Coincidental and fascinating; I just saw this movie yesterday. Very well-written and brought a lot of emotions. Is there any marxist analysis on it?

t. social injustice warrior

Black Rock Shooter

Animeme is inherently non-leftist considering its created by a society like Japan.

How does Welcome to the NHK hold up as anti-capitalist? I haven't seen a ton of anime, maybe 20 or so series, but it's still one of my favorites. However, I watched it before I got interested in leftist politics. It handles a lot of the ways that capitalism destroys people's mental health, but it also seems to end with an acceptance of the status quo, so I'm conflicted on it.

wew

miyazakis stuff. He was a member of the communist party of japan for a while. but hes also a pacifist so eh

Why the hell do people think that NHK is anti-capitalist? If anything it's pro capitalist conformist propaganda, since the main message of the show is that all of your life problems can be solved by begging porky for a job.

Everything gainax/trigger made is great

That's why I'm conflicted about it. The show seems to have stumbled upon a critique of capitalism - that its characters are mentally unwell because of the stress capitalism places upon them to fit into a certain role, but the show also seems to resolve this by accepting capitalism for what it is and that happiness isn't possible, but you can make your life easier by falling in line with the status quo. It seems defeatist in that aspect.

I've never watched NHK but acting like the system is good and just out of self-hatred seems like a theme that comes up amongst NEETs sometimes.
Ive heard people say the book was more grim, about NHK. Maybe it doesnt turn out like that in the book?

This might be to your interest. Some détourned anime:

Gonna need some source.

Makoto Shinkai's stuff isn't political, but his first film had Japan divided in two by the "Union" and the USA.

But his stuff is pure military-grade feelium.

There's also the Psychopass movie that is clearly about neo-colonialism and has a crazy Franz Fanon quoting mercenary.

There are some things written in English about Amino Yoshihiko, but as I said, his writings are mostly untranslated.

Hoshi no Kaabii. In particular, the episode where they try to produce an anime.

There is no resolution though. The author is extremely depressed and alienated and draws a picture of an alienating society. I wouldn't say it's necessarily left wing, but it still draws a pretty devastating picture and would be hard to construe as an endorsement of society.

There are some good suggestions here.
>>>/leftyweebpol/747
Definitely agree with the user mentioning GitS.

Anime is an inherently right wing medium.

Why do you think Holla Forums loves anime so much?

It's literally will to power and thus Fascism.

I don't know maybe because it is a board in an anime-influenced imageboard where the first boards are literally /a/ and Holla Forums (then known as anime/random)?

And for other reasons. Just admit it, anime belongs to us.

You can have Hollywood, you trying to divine leftist meanings from anime is like trying to divine anti-capitalist messages from Nazi comedies.

Holla Forums, this is just sad and pathetic. Even for you.

People on Holla Forums also likes anime way more than RevLeft or the socialist reddit boards, and IronMarch/Stormfront tend to be rather negative towards it. It has more to do with the fact we're on a imageboard than ideology.

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Not an argument

LMAO

The idea that human will can reshape reality is literally fascism.

Also, a lot of people on the left are only exposed to twitter anime nazis and that informs their opinion on anime as a whole.

LOGH really isn't either, coincidentally GATE is though and its also trash. Haven't watched the 3rd one so I can't comment.

Neither is shitting in your diaper, but that's not stopping you, now is it, Holla Forums?

I've been avoiding Berserk because I thought it was edgelord right wing trash. Is it so lefty you had to fake laugh to denote its leftism?

like pepe, NEETdom, and imageboard culture in general, right?
Holla Forums is literally cancer. Its even worse than reddit at this point. Probably the thedonald influence or something.
you "own" anime like blacks "own" dreadlocks, its an entire medium reflective of an entire countries various beliefs. a country with a popular communist party.
neck yourself.

Berserk is pure Holla Forums

Isn't GATE pretty much an animated advertisement for the Japanese military and nationalism?

Not an argument

Basically from what I saw of it.

You're taking spiral energy way too literally

LOGH glorifies will to power and Emperors.

You niggers literally recruit on Reddit

Right wing revolts actually come from the working and middle class while leftist revolts are directed and led by upper class intellectuals/international capital.
No they thought that human nature would destroy the entire via entropy, the show also basically admits that they were right and humanity has to prevent it happening.

lmao
you have to go back

Give me an example of where i'm wrong.

This is what happens when you don't read books, folks.

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You may have a point about upper class intellectuals, but international capital? My god pick up a history book.

Not a fucking argument.

Give me an example of a left wing revolt not funded or led by International elites.

Banks funded Lenin

what a fucking retard

They funded him because they thought his government would be favorable to them, not because the international elites believe in communism.

Tell me how i'm wrong

And why do you think that the banks think that Communism would benefit them?

Why are almost all major corporations astroturfing left wing ideals today?

ahahahahahahah
all these major corporations giving up their property rights and handing over the means of production to the workers, am I right?!

You have to go back Holla Forumsyp

Name one left wing revolt led by the upper class

yes, yes, those big corporations astroturfing for the immediate violent overthrow of capitalism and the abolition of markets.
DUDE TRANNY BATHROOMS FUCK WHITE PPL is not communism.

It's not very leftist but it's absolutely not conservative or right wing. The entire show has an extreme contempt for the feudal system and nobility. Not to mention the overriding tones of nihilism that fly in the face of almost all right wing thought.

Holla Forums gets more retarded with each passing day.

I didn't say they thought it would benefit them. What I said was that the bankers thought that Lenin's government would allow them to operate in Russia and otherwise do them favors in return for funding his revolution.

They're astroturfing for liberal ideas not leftist ideas. Only dumbass ameriburgers think liberalism is left-wing and not centrist.

You've yet to provide a motivation for why the elites supposedly support leftism.

German civil war

The nationalist revolutions of 1848 were primarily against the nobility because they're trans-national entities that subvert the nation. Feudalism was just primitive globalism, I mean for fucks sake you had the exact same family ruling Spain and Austria.

Also
Come on now

Because the nation state gets in the way of their power and people with national identity and culture are far more difficult to mold into interchangeable economic units.

You know what really gets in their way? Fucking liquidating the bourgeoisie. God damn, you are stupid.

Except that never happens.

Of course muh true communism has never been tried.

Tell me, oh retard, what your conception of communism is.

Only Marxism-Leninism has been tried. There are too many strains of socialist thought that vary too greatly for the failure of M-Lism to be indicative of the nature socialism as a whole.

The problem with Marxism is that you take a purely materialistic view of history rather than looking at all methods of power. The history of humanity is not a history of class struggle but a history of battles over narrative and perception. wealth is only a component of power.

Hell both Capitalism and Marxism are both entirely materialistic and don't factor in the entire human experience. Hell capitalism is only savable when considered as a component of larger system.

Worker control of the means of production.

Which has never happened and will never happen due to human nature, which you conveniently deny the existence of.

this is one of the most retarded things I've read all day

Human nature exists, but it is the natural inclination to adapt to the system humans live under in order to survive. Whether it's feudalism, capitalism, or communism, humans find a way to adapt to whatever societal structure they are under.

But the bourgoisie acting against their own interests for class collaborationism will work because muh race, muh countrymen, yeah?

Raegan and Thatcher already fixed that. Once you cut tariffs borders don't mean shit.
We're currently creating identity and culture you faggot, fordism is over, diversity is profitable.
muh grey globalist blob will never happen, nationalism is just another brand.

t. Foucault
But most power relations ultimately come down to property rights, which is why "anti-oppression" people generally are open to socialism.

Whose conception of it?
You don't get to name drop it call yourself a winner.

Except it's not, wealth only has value because humans perceive it to have power. Perception is the root of all power.
The human physical form can adapt to a blizzard or a scorching desert, it doesn't mean that a tropical or temperate environment isn't preferable.

Just as there are preferable physical environments for human habitation there are preferable social systems for the human mind to function.

The elite as a group always act in their own interests, that's why the second amendment exists and why a vigilant citizenry is required to combat their overreaches. Of course a group of rootless cosmopolitan people that don't have an emotional attachment to society at large are far less likely to fight for the body politic. This is why the elite hate nationalism and want to tear it identity by the roots.

Which is why Nationalists campaigned for an elected a candidate to put them back into place
muh grey globalist blob will never happen, nationalism is just another brand.
Your culture is rootless, soulless, and doesn't inspire the emotional connection to the body politic that a culture and identity rooted in history and common ancestry does.
Maybe in the 20'th century but now power is shifting to information, not property.
I'm not arguing for any specific conception, just it's existence at all.

You really should seek a neurologist for your deeply broken brain.

Yes, communism, you dumb bitch.

Insults are not arguments.

That's just like your opinion man.

The only way a vigilant citizenry with guns will fight the elites overreaches is by executing them. Any other way, they have more money and power, so sooner or later any reform will be rolled back and anything they want, they will get. Expecting to keep them in line yet still let them have their position is an idiotic fantasy.

The threat of executing them is rooted in perception and thus is power and can be used to great effect.

Why do you think that America is more or less the only western country with de facto and de jure free speech?

The book is grim, yeah. They also become addicted to drugs, they removed that from the anime. The ending doesn't either condemn the system nor put it out it as "good"; it just ends with him just accepting that if he doesn't go out to work he'll literally die of hunger alone in his room while suffering from psychosis. It's a work that overall focuses much more on individual and emotional issues rather than systematic ones, so it's not worth it to try to analyze it that way.

never gonna happen, not to mention the fact that the US's crumbling education means they won't be leading high-tech production for long.
You can be another ultra-protectionist argentina though, the world won't miss you.

prove it.

Cool, most anthropology shows that humans have been pretty collectivist, why can't it be a communist human nature?

So people should be free but not too free because your spooks tell you they shouldn't.

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The american citizenry is neither vigilant nor armed well enough to threaten the government.
If they once were, they aren't anymore.
In the american political system, liberals push gun control, conservatives push corporate deregulation.
You see? If porky can stay fat, this is what happens. Theres no way around it. You have to hang them all and hand the means of production and political power to that citizenry.

Because human systems have to account for the commune and the individual, and integrate them in a way that's not ham fisted.

Pretty much none of them do this.
How in the fuck do you expect me to prove that, peer reviewed hard science?
No i'm just saying that some systems are better adjusted to human nature than others and thus are more functional, I never made any argument over which ones were superior.

It's cool and militaristic and we like that, suck my dick.

American citizens literally own half of all guns on the planet, I have no idea what you're smoking.

It's not as a glorification as much as it's just a representation.
The author shits on it in basically every other work he wrote.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heroic_Legend_of_Arslan

20% of americans own like 80% of american weapons. Gun ownership is nearing 50% irrc.

America's education is pretty effective for already smart or rich people. America just has little to no interest in trying to give poor or rural people a decent education.

It's fine if you like it, but don't say anime "belongs to you", delusional sperg. It doesn't. You co-opted it.

yeah it's because USian leftists are cucks and don't want to get armed adequately so the only people with AR-15s are the hard-rightists. fuckng yell. Cuckery to the max. SAD

Again, we are not liberals. Leftists are not for gun control.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH KYS

fucking embarrassing.

Yeah. the mainstream liberal "left" in the US is toothless faggots. we dont like them because of shit like this.

the highest anime isn't compatible with anarcho-socialism or most leftist thought, i think stalinism is ironically compatible with anime for obvious reasons. Fascism and Authoritarian socialism are the only things vaguely approaching socialism that are compatible. Monarchy and Theocracy or Liberal Humanist Republicanism seem to be much closer in spirit to anime.

this is almost as retarded as the Holla Forumsyp in this thread.

Also we don't deny the existence of "human nature", it's just retarded to think systems we live under determine the way we live and not the other way around.

Yeah I know. That doesn't change the fact that here's plenty of leftists in US who are against getting armed with modern rifles (or go jerk off to mosins or w/e). I'm not talking about liberals, i'm specifically talking about leftists who nevertheless aren't pro-gun.

Suck my dick you pathetic cunt

/r/The_Donald is the second most active subreddit on that site.

So if anybody on fullchan is shilling, it would most likely be Holla Forums, based purely on statistics.

Which book are you talking about? I want to read it.

alot of leftists are more like radlib socdems who superficially fetishize leftist imagery and thought
Not saying 'they dont count' since they do identify as leftists and bring up leftism, even though they're total shit at being leftists, but this is yet another reason why recruiting from college liberals was a fucking horrible idea that did more harm than good. its a shit situation.
This is the point. Allowing the elites to stay the elites has resulted in even the 'opposition' being either harmless or counter to the aim of opposing them, and everyone else acting against their own best interests and for said elites.

I have never met a self identified communist who supported liberal notions of "gun control", even a lot of SJW Leftists aren't necessarily anti gun.

You must watch Anime perpetually with blinders on and only pay attention to the parts that you think you can use to reinforce your beliefs. Like why the fuck are you posting LOGH when Reinhard literally calls people who are obsessed with race and by extension Holla Forums, losers? Are you some kind of cuckold?

Have you even been to other Right wing forums and looked at what people there think of Anime? A lot of these people want to bring extreme government censorship of the media back, think Thatchers era of the "video nasties" but like 50 times worse. Are you REALLY so deluded that you believe your Fuhrer is going to appreciate how sexually racy and violent a lot of anime is? Do you think the Fascists or Paleo-Conservitives are going to defend your loli pantsu shots?

The anime right is literally just a hilarious anomaly, it only exists because of cognitive dissonance. I mean most far righter,s at least had the decency to reject all "degenerate" media and content from their lives when they took a stand against "degeneracy" but not you! You really believe that you can jerk off to your loli animu while fighting for the "white" race. Absolutely pathetic.

This is one reason why I feel like socialist parties and organizations should reach out to BLM folks. I feel they can easily make the jump from idpol to class consciousness and even revolutionary thought.

I recall that in relatively open Yugoslavia, there was some school which flat-out that that Leninism is Stalinism. So maybe Titoism might not even count as a strain of M-L.

Kill La Kill has a lot of different themes, with a lot of critiques of fascism and capitalism, but the best part is how it shits on the whole notion of "anti imperialism" and has Satsuki admit that using fascism to fight a stronger fascist force is retarded

Anime, like live action television, is mind numbing, time wasting trash that just keeps people passive. I bet your lives would be better of without it.

SZS probably wasn't completely leftist and Kumeta's apparently some kind of ultranationalist, but there were too many fun callouts and an individual who might have possibly been deepcomrade gave me some high-grade screenshots so I'll dig it.

Also people who ignore Ghost in the Shell's explicit leftism are the weakest race.

People who interpret Youjo Senki as being somehow sympathetic to the right are clearly psychological deviants. It's about how given the right circumstances, there's nothing in particular separating a successful wageslave from a successful Nazi. Unless you're deliberately trying to claim that this is a good thing, I don't know what the fuck you're trying for here.

As for LoGH, Reinhardt was supposed to be in the mold of the enlightened despots of the 19th century. Napoleon's the particular model. People trying to claim Bonoparte as a rightist are missing out on how he was a secularizing, democratizing, universal law-applying, national liberation applying, despot-terrorizing hero and probably to the left of the late republic on a lot of issues. That being said, it even explicitly paints the idea of enlightened despotism as a pretty terrible way to do politics and an unsustainable path. The whole anime also ended pretty conclusively as supporting a pacifist democracy with (at minimum) socdem characteristics.

I don't know what the fuck you're drawing on for Berserk.
Guts is a common man seeking to carve his way upwards, overthrow the divinities, and murder a class traitor. He murders churchmen, monarchs, nobles, and capitalist pigdogs alike without a second thought. Furthermore, he's not even seeking any power for himself, which throws your pseudo-Neitzschean trash out the window. He's looking for personal revenge and wants to set things right. I'm not sure if you missed out, but Guts is also set up as an opposite to all these mind over matter people. The villains are too weak on their own, so they turn to the godhand (the ultimate face of arbitrary power) for help. Guts literally just trains and gets fit. He's a based /egoist/.

But hey, if you want to keep A1 pictures, it's literally all yours. Take it, you sad fuck!

If you get too into it, you'll note that the whole thing is actually an extended exposition of how the Japanese far right thinks WW2 happened. Which explains why it's so completely delusional.

Sorry,

was for

How so? Reinhardt allowed Iserlohn to keep its independency (right? I may be misremembering) so when his line becomes degenerate there's a way out. But the empire is still an autocracy, it's far from a democracy.
The anime also shows a failed democracy (and monarchy, before mein kaiser takes the throne). The message is more like once the 🍀🍀🍀wrong people🍀🍀🍀 get in, and they will, no matter the system it will rot.

Youjo Senki is probably the most leftist anime of this season considering its consistent attacks on ideals of nationalism,authoritarianism and its social commentary regarding poverty and social structures of early 21st century.

I can't stand her awful face

So, it's worth a watch? never watched it because of:

I would rather recommend you to read the manga(more kek worthy). Also wehraboos are wrong on this like they were on LOGH.

nah it's just liberal pandering.

Hell, even the spiritual crossover with Excel Saga manages to put some anticapitalist themes even if it doesn't focus on them.

I will be waiting for how they will picture birth of Rus union(soviet union with bolshevik government) before claiming it as full liberal pandering.

myanimelist.net/manga/87945/Yakusoku_no_Kuni
I don't think it's translated.

Most of Holla Forums only pretends to be otaku lol

Please stop embarrassing yourself.

that's fucking hilarious and also great

People who use twatter are not on the left.
They are liberals.

this is all you can amount to, saying "it looks cool and militaristic so it must be right-wing"

i wouldn't even be surprised the only one you watched from those four is GATE, a big steamy turd

Hahaha the only anime you get to call your own is this piece of trash.

萌え豚

Serial Experiments Lain

Code Geass

Planetes

Ergo Proxy

how is it kaiji is a more scathing critique of capitalism than anything that's come out of mainstream western media

like, the most """leftist"""" recent tv show you can name is probably the wire or mr robot, and those mostly just frame themselves in terms of liberal orthodoxy and never touch on the base structure

I haven't watched the last two but why would lain and code geass be anti-capitalist?

lain is anarcho transhumanist?

materialistic != materialism

Basically all amerikan tv is propaganda except maybe Adult Swim. Japanese people actually get less mad about people have different opinions, so it doesn't matter if late night cartoons with tiny budgets have actually radical viewpoints there. Japanese people not being white actually goes a long way, even if they've imitated all the worst shit at some point.

wew

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Thanks user.

You fags can keep GATE. the entire show was trash.

By that logic, any show with supernatural powers in it is "fascism", not to mention that fascism is overly concerned with muh human nature, muh race, which seriously flies in the face of the primacy of human will.

That's literally the opposite of what usually happens, read a fucking book.

I can't find it for the life of me, but he does talk about animal farm and socialism here, as well as his labor union work pages.citebite.com/n1r2l0s7w6abj
He's definitely not a fan of any 20th century project, but he draws a comparison between the conditions described in the novel and the conditions created by capitalism

In the interview I can't find, remember that said that he was a communist and a marxist before writing nausicaa, but when he was troubling himself with questions like "is it okay that she's a princess?" and worrying about the class of the characters, he decided to abandon marxism and material analysis.

You say that because no anime being aired on TV has talked about things like, say, Nanking happening, which isn't even an opinion.

I've always seen it as them overthrowing a reactionary autocrat and then going after a uncaring god. an insult to religion per say

fuck yeah youtube.com/watch?v=G2AxpaH56WY

get to it then, mate

finally a tankie i can agree with