What's the proper definition of the current China economic system?

What's the proper definition of the current China economic system?

Hybrid Communism?

They still call themselves the "Communist party of China" but they reformed the fuck out of everything after Mao kicked the bucket, not that I don't think Mao had some archaic policies like purging ancient chinese artifacts, but they better be careful not to go full America tier.

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Capitalism with Chinese characteristics.

Lol, when Mao fucked over Chen when he was implementing "socialism with chinese characteristics";

do you think this is Chen getting revenge against Mao from beyond the grave for fucking him over?

They're planning to use the insane wealth they've amassed from exporting every cheap thing imaginable and use it to fund FALC.

Or at least I hope that's their plan. They're the closest thing to an "global sponsor" of communism currently, like the USSR was.

One thing I don't understand and am frustrated with is why China is not involved with the Syrian Civil War at all helping Assad. The war would likely be over now if China stepped in.

Read Li Minqi.

Capitalism.

State Capitalism, it wouldn't be that different from your average mixed economy if the 80s and 90s hadn't happened in the West.


Officially it's Socialism with Chinese Charateristics, although there is nothing really Chinese about it since similar systems were already done in Brazil, India, South Korea and so on.

It's still officially socialism with chinese characteristics, but everybody knows they whored out at this point

China has a pretty bad record in terms of helping other revolutionary movements, even during the Mao era. Internally however they have been much more flexible and progressive than the revisionist USSR. That's the thing about the Sino-Soviet split is that they were both wrong but they were right in the criticisms they leveled at each other.

Chinese Characteristics was Deng's thing.
Mao's China was just Marxism-Leninism + Mao Zedong Thought.

They are indirectly involved tbh. They have pledged support for the gov. and frequently veto imperialist motions in UN.

centrally controlled capitalism

On the other hand however, while they don't provide support to left wing guerrilla movements, their economic relationship with other developing countries is pretty equal, and they're contributing to development in a way imperialist core countries are not. This will probably contribute to the strength of political movements there in the long run, even if that isn't obvious now. Basically China has capitalist and socialist characteristics, and rather than demonizing or deifying it, we should humanize the country.

Fucking kek, that has about as much value as a bag of donuts being "the official donut of the NFL" as if anyone in the NFL eats junk food.

State Capitarism

Some contraditions are to be expected during each stage of development, socialism is no exception. Just relax and let the dialectic do its thing, full communism, comrade, we are almost there

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It's not capitalist and that's what leftypol is going to tell you. Tbh this board is full of people with very racist attitudes towards the third world whose knowledge about most non-North countries can fit on a postage stamp, yet they come into threads like this as make authorative proclamations based on a YouTube video watch and years of NYT state-narratives layered on top of each other. Basically? What I've learned is that leftypol is not a good place to learn about China. I would honestly suggest asking reddit even over here (/r/communism101 for example), or explore some critiques of China from actual Chinese communists. Chuangcn.com looked promising last time I checked it out.

fascism, from a marxist sense of a highly authoritarian state doing everything in it's power to keep capitalism functioning

100% wrong.

alright

china's government is fucking evil tbf
it is 0% racist to point this out

China's government is not evil and it is definitely racism that lurks under the surface of this idea.

not racism but Imperialist propaganda.

The fact that that every post in this thread is a pithy reply and none of them agree with each other (and one ridiculous person calling China "evil") should show you well enough that the community on this board is clueless about the actual state of things there. This is not surprising because the U.S. state-media complex really wants to keep everyone confused and afraid of that country, but nonetheless it shows that if you want proper, truthful analysis you need to go somewhere better.

"I support the Czar to fight british imperialism"

when racism becomes the shattering of the illusion of the one-dimensional racial axiom

it's like those SJW's crying racism when photo's of the thug micheal brown were released, because he looked like a thug on them

if fascists were this stupid they would call you anti-huwhyte for posting pictures of ted bundy looking creepy because it portrays the stereotype of whites being serial killers

china's government is fucking evil you dunce.
They BRUTALLY oppress dissidents and the working class
And they are currently colonizing africa. They would gladly colonize anywhere they could if it weren't for america imperializing first

Probably a good part of it is just the fact that it's not a liberal democracy short circuits a lot of amature political understanding from people, but also China is subjected to a great deal of prejudicial thinking from Northetn labor-aristocrats who hate the peasantry and the third world in a way that becomes intractable from race. Much like who anti-Slavic sentiment in the west survived the collapse of the USSR.

nonsense. the party is a savage dictatorship.
I know America does horrible shit but how this excuses china makes no sense. Two competing imperialists are still both imperialists

this is lazy thinking
you can't just call anyone who points out when a non-white person is doing something wrong, a racist.
You make anti-racists look bad

They are not colonizing Africa. Show me a single African government they have replaced or submitted to them? Colonization doesn't just mean "being there." This is again the kind of amature political thinking. You also might be shocked by what Marxist prescribe for how the party should treat reactionary elements. Not being liberal is not evil. I'm going to ignore the rhetorical elements of your post as well.

Namibia.

Except that racism is real and informs people's thinking. Can you seriously tell me that the attitude of people towards African government is not informed by racism, maybe exclusively? How often, when discussing politics of Asian countries (such as the recent events in Korea), is the conversation *dominated* by orientalist explainers about the strange, different and bad character of the Asian.

Elaborate why you think this is evil.

Yes, racism is real and in few it as real as in those who give this irony.


Because I don't really like it when it's national resources and public infrastructure are taken over with bribes. The people who live there don't like it either, which is of course because they don't like diversity and read the NYT instead of maoist rebel news.

capitalist

yes racism is real and extremely dangerous.
And people who call legitimate criticism racist de-legitimize anti-racism
to say "all asians have authoritarian governments by nature" would be racist.
Pointing out china has a government that serves the interests of local and international capital is not racist
namely ensuring the uninterrupted and ever-intensifying exploitation of workers as well as pumping fictitious capital into the system

The people there have a very positive attitude towards China actually– as do the rest of African nations, because the way the Chinese deal with them is fair and positive. China in Africa is not Belgium, and it is not an "evil".

Calling China evil is not legitimate criticism, however, and while China exists in a global capitalist system (as all countries on the Earth do), there are a many things about it that are clearly not friendly to capital. Real distinctions must be made, for example China's produces -50 million man hours worth of goods compared to the global average. Not compared to America, which is at about +100 million, mind you, compared to the baseline of 0. Saying China is "colonizing Africa," with the implication that they are doing has no distinction between what the European powers did, is duplicitous. Saying they are simply "capitalists," is a *bad* analysis. You seem like you have a refusal to take a better and more critical look at China and instead prefer superficial and ignorant explanations, provided by and accepted kindly by NATO, like they are "capitalists, and just like the US, the equivalent in all ways, except that are evil" which is *wrong* and does not lead to support of socialist and communists movements that actually exist in SEA and Africa, or in China itself. That's putting aside that you are pretending that actually racists narratives are legitimate for some reason

State capitalism

"state capitalism" is also called "state socialism" Op. I recommend you read what Marx and Engles had to say about the concept, it's interesting. I notice nobody in this thread has been able to justify their labels, and thats probably because they aren't qualified to, they just read someone say capitalism and are using this as a release valve– understanding a socialist state is more difficult than shitposting about a FALC utopia, but it's very important for the building of socialism itself, which will not happen if you remain willingly ignorant.

It's capitalism and it has never been anything but capitalism
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I very much suggest you follow your own advice because you don't seem to have a slightest clue what socialism/communism is.

Socialism/communism (for Marx it's the same), is a separate mode of production from capitalism - where the commodity-form, money, and production for exchange has ended, this is clearly spelled out in Gothakritik.

state capitalism

Plain old Capitalism with Capitalist characteristics.

Okay you don't know what Engles has said about it or you wouldn't respond with this non sequitur.

This thread is a healthy reminder that leftypol is just a bunch of poorly read anarchists

Basically.

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