I'm a refugee from halfchan's Holla Forums and I've been kicked out because I'm not racist enough and my economic...

I'm a refugee from halfchan's Holla Forums and I've been kicked out because I'm not racist enough and my economic opinions have shifted over time and they told me to come here, so I have a couple questions and depending on the answer i'm all in for staying.

Question 1:

Are you allied with the liberals or do you want to smash them as much as I do?

Question 2:
The plan usually plays out like this, right?
1. Establish Cultural Marxism
2. SJW cringe fucks show up
3. Revolution occurs
4. Get rid of the cringe fucks
This is how it goes, right?

3.Bernie sold the fuck out and is banging prostitutes in his 3 new mansions.

Last one is not much of a question as much as it is a statement.

That's pretty much it, pic related I think can give you a rough idea of what specific category of thought you could point me in the direction of studying more, so I can get on board and support the movement.

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youtu.be/YzeYKPLgRtA
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_materialism_(cultural_studies)
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Are you sure you were kicked out for not being racist enough and not because your brain has been fucked to death by memes and you can barely cobble together coherent sentence

Define liberal and I can give a more concise view. The board is universally opposed to liberal economics and almost as much opposed to liberal democracy (that being representative democracy as is)

If you mean SJW shit like 'my five genders are more important than social classes', then yeah, we hate that too.


what did he mean by this

We probably want to smash them more.


"Cultural Marxism" is literally a meme from the Nazis during WWII; the phrase "Cultural Marxism" makes about as much sense as "Secular Calvinism". The social justice fad is a symptom, not a disease, and the disease is capitalism.


He didn't really sell out as much as he never was socialist to begin with. "Socialism" and "capitalism" have different meanings in the US, largely because burgers are literally incapable of imagining a system other than neoliberalism. He's a social democrat, so being wealthy isn't really hypocritical for him.

Smash. We hate idpol and SJWs. If someone was being racist to a white fella we'd tell the racist to fuck off. Vice versa applies.

The plan usually plays out like this, right?
1. Establish Cultural Marxism
2. SJW cringe fucks show up
3. Revolution occurs
4. Get rid of the cringe fucks
This is how it goes, right?

Cultural Marxism is a bullshit conspiracy made by politically illiterate right wingers

youtu.be/YzeYKPLgRtA


Fun fact: not all of us like Bernie. Some of us don't trust the state and want to overthrow it.

Cultural Marxism is an excuse to diferent attention from the REAL problem, which is capitalism.

To add to this, while I'm uncertain you've read the same things, when I had people talk to be about 'cultural marxism', they talked about Adorno and how he wanted to destroy and subvert European culture with liberalism.

In reality, Adorno was an extreme social conservative who viewed even Jazz as an insult to culture.

the frankfurt school is well documented and their ideology is easy to find and read. i don't know what their real world influence was though.

it is given his rhetoric

It has absolutely nothing to do with what people call "Cultural Marxism", however, see . Rightists simply want an excuse to blame the reds for anything they don't like.

Well, social democrats are retards, so…

It's early in the morning, my grammatical syntax is garbage without coffee.


I think "useful idiots" might be slightly better terminology for what i'm describing, college professors will give college kids a distorted view of "equality" making them go full retard with rhetoric that is summarized by "Otherkin are oppressed and all members of society must wear a fox tail so they don't feel bad".

So in that frame of context they're susceptible to an actual workers revolution because they would wrongly equate it with what they believe in, but they're too fucking stupid to keep around.

This shit isn't spread by colleges as much as this where sheltered kids usually start associating with others. Otherkin and other bullshit have been a thing online for decades. The liberal college meme does have some credence to it, but mostly it's butthurt by conservative parents that don't want their kids exposed to different ideas.
If anything, biased professors are just straight up political, no pseudo-philosophy.

They'll never even meet you halfway on the Cultural Marxism bit m8, despite there having been books written on the very topic and shit like this.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_materialism_(cultural_studies)

The frankfurt school honestly is the exact fucking opposite of what Holla Forums thinks it is.

Social justice shit has nothing to do with this though, liberals literally do not believe in materialism.

They do when it suits them, 'social constructs' and the likes.

Smash em, liberals are cancer.
No, you have been lied to. Cultural marxism is a branch of marxist though that talks about how capitalism destroys real, organic culture of people, and replaces it with mass manufactured for-profit culture.

Yup

Forgot to add:
The "cultural marxism destroy the white race and its culture" is a right wing and. Cultural marxism is almost exactly the opposite of what they think it is.

Its about how capitalism is enforced by culture right? Ok. So if you believe this and seek to overthrow capitalism then of course attacking culture will be a part of it. This became the MO for anti-capitalist professors after the collapse of the USSR.

Liberalism is a global force to be reckoned with, and we want to bring it down. So yes, we are staunchly anti-liberal economically speaking.

What? What plan? And also, there are many different ideologies on how to transition to socialism, there's leninism, there's anarchism etc

A meme. Cultural Marxism is as much as it is cultural capitalism. If cultural marxism is a thing, then DDR and Soviet Union being 'uncucked' contradicts it.

Also, enjoy your stay, friend.

Frankfurth school (aka cultural marxism) isnt about that specifically.

The fact that economic realities shape culture and culture shapes the economic reality is at the basis of any branch of marxism. But so is that the economic reality is far more dominant than the culture.

Maybe so but as no new economic idea have appeared from the left since the discredited (at least in the eyes of the west) central control models associated with the USSR/Norks, all they have to go on is the cultural.

i don't like the Holla Forums on here purely because they're blind as fuck

ideas are meant to be challenged which was the original premise of Holla Forums in the first place

now we have autistic neo evanglical schizophrenic nazi roleplayers who absolutely will not listen to anything or anyone

say you're a jew? banned instantly for no reason with some lame ass "back in the oven kike" reason. discussion is zero

halfchan Holla Forums is okay or at least better because it still retains some of that initial respect for free speech (of which banning everyone who isn't an avowed internet nazi)

There have been plenty of economic ideas.

But marxists are shunned from economics. So the only place where you can see public "marxists" is people bitching about how video games are oppressive or something, because it poses no thread to the status quo.

Must I remind you that communists were literally executed by the USA during the cold war? And that unions were dismantled.
So the only place that wasnt affected was eccentric art schools or sociology.

If you want to see the raw face of pol's insanity check out r/conspiracy or v/pizzagate

Google Bookchin
And the Alpha Wolff

bernie killed rosa luxemburg for those 3 prostitutes

Correct. I've seen a study where something like 60/70% of sociology professors gave their politics as left or far left, by far the most 'leftwing' field in the US college system. But if their leftism isn't economic then what is left? I like /yourguy/ Wolff. A professor, economist AND marxist. But he is the minority of 'leftwing' professors, most of whom fall into one of two categories. Retards substituting social liberalism with leftism or closeted leftists afraid to speak up after the implementation of one of their presumed systems ended in defeat.

welcome, but don't expect to get an idiotpass on 8ch

The white race must perish

I just hope they're some fat booty latinas

Relevant to thread. I think this pic sums up our position on liberals.

Come right on in! Welcome, welcome! We love you.

this thread is pretty good for a lefty/pol/ thread though. let's direct more cuckchan rapefugees into lefty/pol/.

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Tell me friend. How jewish are you?

No, I do not want r/The_Donald here
I like your posts

close, but no cigar

No but it should

How jewish am I? How jewish am I?! I once picked a single penny out of my septic system!

Yes, please, do give us more manpower. Unlike Holla Forums we actually try to teach our new people stuff.

The goal is to end capitalism, the plan is to seize the means of production.

Bernie doesn't have three mansions he has his home which is average size for the area in Vermont he lives in. He has a rental and he has a vacation home that costs $300,000 which may sound like a lot to people who don't know what houses cost but an average home where I live in a shitty area in California sees that as the baseline price for a three bedroom house. Bernie got a six room "mansion" on the beach for a modest price. I think we should congratulate him on his savvy buying skills.

More the reverse. Culture, i.e. fake artificial culture, is enforced by capitalism and the material structure of society. We cannot achieve a fully genuine, organic culture without overthrowing class rule. Top-down, propagandistic "culture" is just as bad as capitalist culture in that sense.

Often times you'll hear SJWs and pseudo-leftists claim that capitalism requires racism to survive (i.e. racism enforces capitalism) and that any challenges to capitalism should "destroy racism in order to undermine capitalism," but this reverses the real nature of things. It is capitalism (or other forms of class rule) that create racism as an issue on the social scale, and upon which these social issues continuously depend. Far as SJWs go, their favored saying, "racism is power plus prejudice" isn't itself wrong, but rather the opaque lens of mysticism they place over it to a priori define "power" to mean "being white." When really the fact of the matter is if your racial prejudices don't actually measurably hurt anyone, they're not really worth overcoming - sticks and stones - and we should resolve all actually damaging sorts of racism into their material basis, the process of exploitation. Pic related.

I assume you're pro-GG, which is a very important area for cultural materialist critique. For years beforehand, Holla Forums had been complaining about questionable business practices, cronyism, shitty games being overmarketed and released to huge commercial success, and so on. It's abundantly clear that private profit diverges from social need many places, first and foremost in the arts and culture industry. The market dictates what is profitable, not what is an excellent game, and thus favors the former over the latter. The intrusion of two-bit ideologues into entertainment and culture is also a natural product of the production hierarchies under capitalism. When 13 news sites can browbeat their entire readership as defunct and irrelevant, and fire you if you disagree, you know there's something seriously wrong with the liberal """free market.""" Far as handwringing about "inclusivity," the common retort is that the market is inherently inclusive of its whole consumer base, which is true. But this "inclusivity" nonetheless leaves many people in the demographics it supposedly caters to, according to the SJW, (white, straight, male) deeply unsatisfied with the actual product and its quality. Obviously, as GG recognized, you cannot align profit with social need just by expanding "inclusion"

Really the fundamental question to all emancipatory politics is whether oppression of socially defined groups presupposes oppression of objectively defined ones, or vice versa. It's classic materialism vs idealism. We believe that objective relationships to the means of production are fundamental to society, not, as some others do, that the metaphysical "evil of whiteness" is responsible for creating capitalism and other social ills. Because of course, capitalism is a marked improvement over feudalism, serfdom and slavery, and primitive hunter-gatherer communism

On the mentioned topics, I think I'm with you except on the 72 billion genders. Not really a big fan on "queer theory", but what the fuck do I care about other people stupid bullshit as long as they don't affect others?

Yeah, you're wrong. And anyway, SJW are cringey but
1. Business pandering to them is a consecuence of capitalism failing and trying to show a humane face.
2. Without that, they're just a minority of fringe crazies
3. As the previous point, Why the fuck should I care about fringe crazies as long as they don't affect others?

Not unlikely, still, Bernie is just a socialdemocrat, probably the best thing burgers could get, but not what leftists want.

Adorno held conservative views.

Nothing you said makes sense outside of your head.

stale meme/10

Trotskyism is the objectively correct position though

i'm a tankietrot, which means a tankie and a brony

Trots get the bullet too

...

Not an argument

meant for right?

Trots are Fascist tools.

lol butthurt traitor.

Not an argument

Adorno literally thought feudalism made better music

Not an argument to the original argument of trots being traitors

But I didn't see any argument about trots being traitors

Then you didn't read

Some Liberals are potential candidates for radicalization.

However usually they are a bunch of whiny middle class shitstains with no redeeming qualities whining about irrelevances or actively trying to prevent the revolution. (Non-Violent. Anti-Gun. Class Ignorant)

As for Cultural Marxism. That is some grade A level horseshit.

Nope, no arguments there. Just shitty quote mines without context and unsourced, unproven accusations.
It amounts to "man, there are people who don't like trots," which gives nobody any new information. Mining Lenin on narrow tactical issues before they moved into flats next door and started governing together, and ignoring the central role of permanent revolution in the bolshevik program of 1917, is so transparent it doesn't really need a rebuttal. But it keeps getting posted. Also

It's a naked appeal to authority of supposed communist greats that, somehow, 🍀🍀🍀surprise surprise🍀🍀🍀 manages not to actually discuss or evaluate Trotskyism.

aren't you idiots useful for anything? anything other than getting ice-picked I mean :^)

how in the fuck can you possibly be this bourg

How does this pass for a rebuttal? I didn't know I was on Holla Forums.

typical typical

Hahaha ok it's time to stop being retarded. Pretend time is over. I'll see you next time, Marxist.

I'm so pork I already stole your shit through subsidies.


I want both of you potential pol'stars to know there was a Wall Street guy who complained that his 26 million dollar mansion in Manhattan was too low end for someone in his bracket. There was a joke on conservative comedy show that was actually funny where they would show five gigantic mansions next to five names of a well known republicans they then would ask the person to put the name next to the right house. The Joke was that all five mansions were owned by Hillary Clinton. There was well known Gaffe in the 08 election where John Mccain couldn't remember the number of properties he owned which made him look like out of touch Mr Moneybags in a recession.

Bernie owning three modest sized homes is hardly living it up especially in the position hes in and the money he could be taking on. The man might sellout 300K seems like a pretty low number to do that for. Yes in principle I'm against landlords, but owning one house to supplement his low overall income is hardly the worst infraction a pork has done in this country.

Members of Congress leach hundreds-of-thousands of dollars a year from workers; they are in any meaningful sense part of the bourgeois.

how much do i have to bet you havent actually read any of it tho

Well one of them is a rental he lives in for his fucking job in Washington and the other he bought with money his wife inherited. SO.