How to seize the memes of production

How do we seize the MEMES of production?

I think it's fairly obvious that the right(not alt exclusively) and NlGGERchan produce top quality memes. Sadly, this only leads more people towards their political shade which could result in an even younger/extreme audience. It goes out to stuff like facebook and whatnot. Hair dyed trans liberals tend to make cringeworthy idpol memes that have way too much filler to identify with normies. What do? If NlGGERchan is right about the whole meme war thing, are we being BTFO?

i hate this meme the most

No. It's more of a problem with numbers and audience. 4chans and 8chans pol has had a large influx of redditors meaning they outnumber us, albeit we are slowly on the rise.

We'll be fine lad, provided we don't dive head first into idpol like the stormfags and liberals have

leftypol needs to up its game

I feel like the "bad" memes that we make also tend to push people away. I'm personally making more inclusive memes.

not with those memes youre not

I literally googled "socialist" memes on google and other variations and they're all 3-D Pig Bourgeoisie propaganda.

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Teach yourself to create OC, create OC when something funny comes up, don't be a faggot and try to force memes.

Go away 4chan.

Even though this isn't anti-socdem, this style is normally the sign of a facebook faggot.

this is anti-socdem*

Disagree. It usually looks like stormfags decided to get revenge on Holla Forums by rehashing old shit with new preachy Nazi meanings. The non-Nazi stuff generally just looks like tryhard Facebook shit. Like most of this stuff came about in the era of "meme making" and deliberate memes and talk shows talking about memes like they were a commodity… and it really, really shows.

Just do something that's not embarrassing and derivative - you'll have the upper hand.

to be fair, google "alt-right memes" and you dont get any good results either. i think the problem is that the alt-right is a genuine youth counter culture that's on the rise right now, it feels fresh and its memes are ironic and funny as a result of being created in a chaotic hotbed due to a willingness to say and think anything.

this board compared even to 8pol feels stuffy and less humourful, lots of serious discussion, no playful fucking around, and it seems to me that less images get posted on here on the whole.

SO FAR AWAYYYY
WE WAIT FOR THE DAY

t. Meme Commander of the 69th Squadron

Twenty meme push ups RIGHT NOW!

Holla Forums is one of the best memes Holla Forums ever created.

Along with pepe, A Wyatt Mann and Ben Garrison edits, Wojak, 4chan and SomethingAwful.

Some of the oldest memes on the web are genuinely "altright"

This is the problem, theres too many autists the make the wrong memes and end up permanently turning people off to a potential workers revolution. It starts to seem like there's more retards than actual comrades. Goddamn 2016 fucked EVERYTHING up

literally tumblr tier


really tosses my salad

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CSV someone remind me how much pol and leftypol have grown over the past six months

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Wouldn't know, never used it for a moment of my life. Fancy writing a blog post to explain it to me?

no

How do you get your porn?

DUDE MEMES XDDDDDD

Just stick to discussion jesus christ

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Are you fucking autistic? Memes convince people more than any argument would. Want proof?

Nothing wrong with a bit of fun, lad

silly bitch

Pornhub and .webms, of course.

Kek is a fickle and cruel god.

The problem with anonymous boards is that its cool to be as edgy as possible. Nobody cares about the poor because its not cool. You need different tactics for memes. One could be to use this edgyness to make anons hate the porky pig like they hate niggers now.

JUST

The flag theft was great though, definitely a top 5 Holla Forums moment.

It's not a genuine counter culture, though. At least not in the UK.

It's a reaction to a perceived culture. (Although I suppose this is true of all movements. The swinging sixties happened for about 12 people in London, for example, hardly anyone was ever a hippie and most of the social revolution idealized in the 60s only really came into effect in the 1970s, adding to the hotbed of interest that decade actually is - and strangely, making it all the more understandable it's the single least appreciated decade since WW2.) Not one that actually exists. SJWs are still a 90% internet-and-university problem.

The three reasons they're funnier (though subjectively, I tend to find they gravitate towards "heh" where leftist ones actually make me laugh, but then I'm an autist who actually processes Sir Humphrey's babble before laughing at it.) is that in some ways they don't actually believe what they're saying (we could easily do the same if we embraced Pol Pot, I mean. The problem is that the reaction would on the whole be worse because everyone knows Hitler whereas Pol Pot would just get the "Communism is still killing people, too far man!" reaction.), that they've got a much larger userbase in 4chan (so shit content is filitered out quickly and good stuff reposted rapidly.) and that as you say, this board actually gives a fuck about serious discussion where 4chan can be content to lie.

I mean fucking hell, Holla Forums think it had even a 1% influence on Brexit, something that has been a serious line of British political thinking since before we'd even joined the EEC, and which can clearly be tracked back to a Conservative split in the 1990s in it's modern form. (Trump is more up in the air, I can't gauge their influence in having him initially taken seriously as a candidate.)

I guess you can seized the memes of production.

;^)

i guess you cant't

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I've told you niggas for like a year, your concepts and general whole thing is alien to people, perhaps not ex soviets but most others they are not well known or not at all while Nazis, fascism, racism, dark humor and violence are very well know and in people's minds.

You not only fail because you can't make good memes, let's be honest you can't, even the meme mocking me saying that is a Holla Forums rip off but because your mind set and ideas are alien.
You memes lose because the allies won

We need to appeal to the youth, I'd think we should try to subvert the liberal memes that the kids have these days, like we can go on reddit and make communist memes on places like /r/me_irl, or /r/wholesome memes.

We could also go on /r/The_donald and try to subvert the people there by creating our own pro donald memes but also pro communist slowly redpilling them.

Another stolen concept

Welp, I looked up "socialist meme" on Google and this is what I found.

It's almost intimidating how big the gulags are going to have to be.

continue to colonize halfchan /his/, /lit/, and /int/ to establish a leftist foothold. /his/ is especially vulnerable right now due to weak moderation

let's centrally plan memes, the nazbols did and had quite the reach

centrally planned memes is a meme on it's own

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Nine out of ten of your memes are just Holla Forums memes with some edgy USSR symbolism thrown in. You have to at least admit that to yourself before you can improve, otherwise your board will just become a massive circlejerk for people letting out their frustrations with themselves and their lack of control over their lives via a defunct political ideology that has increasingly lower chances of ever existing with every interaction you have with a normal person

make sure to take screencaps lmao

Oh god, you even fuck up countersignal memes. A fucking kid could write one of those. I'm concerned for you guys now.

Holla Forums, the only reason you see Holla Forums memes as complete and utter trash is the same reason a tumblrina sees alt-right memes as complete and utter trash.
You think its bad because you have an extremely strong stance against it to begin with, so you automatically think it looks stupid and embarassing.
They are in reality, much like your own, not great but alright and pretty good if you already agree with them.

No, I've seen lefty memes that make me laugh before despite the fact that I disagree with their premise. Same goes for tumblr "memes" (they're really just jokes) occasionally. The vast majority of them are incredibly weak and if you guys can't see that it's just part of a confrontation mentality. They're not good but you have to say they're good so you can "win" I guess, normies are not going to buy that though. Part of the reason your memes aren't as good is that your ideology doesn't really lend itself to humor, it's pretty dark overall when you take a step back and think about the emotional motivations of the average communist and what they want out of their system for themselves. I genuinely feel bad for many of you.

No shit, you just take Holla Forums memes and ms paint a hammer and sickle on them.

lefties lag decades behind the pros in these matters

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Your memes really aren't as good as you think they are.
Its hardly the vast majority of lefty memes that are shit, and I've seen about as many shit unfunny Holla Forums memes as Holla Forums ones on any given day.

Again you're just thinking "our memes versus their memes", and missing the point. We aren't motivated by the same feelings on a base level, you don't see this the same way we do. You're trying to propagate your dogma while we're mainly on the offense against our enemies. I know you try to frame it as the common man versus the bourgeoise but in reality it's a tiny group of ideologues, mostly social rejects, trying and largely failing to spread their beliefs to the rest of the world. inb4 we're trying to do the same thing with fascism, if you think we started out as fascists you're looking at it all wrong. fascism is something we adopted, it didn't create us like communism has created you.

Not only that, but part of it is because we're winning and you're losing, your memes have a bitter tinge that's easy to spot. Nothing you can really do about that, it's hard to be smug when you lose to your polar at every turn. Gotta go to bed now buddy, I have a job to go to tomorrow.

There's a tiny part of truth in Holla Forumstard's words, for once.
We don't really have the edge provided by an ideology that's 100% pure edge, but this was never something that was produced by memes from either side.

Now, the only reason Holla Forumsacks don't find Holla Forums memes funny is because they don't understand them, just like the general public.
I mean I always laugh my ass off at the Bordiga "watcha doin'" meme, but I know no one outside of a few select lefty communities understand it.

Well it's not a World of Warcraft fantasy world where we carefully watch Disney shows to unveil a simplistic and childish conspiracy of a black and white us vs. them.
Communism is indeed serious, and the world does really suck. It's an ideology for adults.

I'm just a random Berniebro from halfchan who decided to check this place out because 4/pol/ kept going to the meta board and screeching tinfoil-hat silliness about how you guys had infiltrated the moderation team, so here's a sort-of-outsider's opinion and ideas.
Holla Forums has had a good deal of their success by presenting SJW-types as a much bigger problem than they actually are, and by pretending that they represent the left- one of your highest priorities should be to establish that you do NOT support their identity politics (but its also important to establish that you don't support the idpol of the right, or risk alienating other leftists and moderates as well). If anything its a good idea to emphasize the similarities between the aut-right and the SJWs- I saw someone throwing the term "trumplr" around in another thread, that's something that could easily catch on. Don't be afraid to recycle other memes, Holla Forums made puppets out of the rotting corpses of pepe and wojack, you can easily do something similar- just as an example, a SJW-Holla Forums version of "No John, you are the zombies!" would be quite fitting. You also have pop-culture to draw from, you could try photoshopping Agent Orange as a Ferengi from Star Trek, or when they try to force their WH40k God-Emperor silliness you can play along and respond with the Tau and the Greater Good. Use Porky the same way they use le happy merchant, or if they beat you to the punch respond with Porky wearing a happy merchant mask to suggest the fact that their "DA JOOZ" boogeyman is just a scapegoat used by the rich.
They used SJWs to claim that the left is anti-fun, but its easy to point out the ways that aut-rightists are no different. Fucking hell, their talking points sound like they come from an old geezer yelling for those damn kids to get off his lawn, just phrased differently. You can't even have a minority character who's portrayed positively in media these days without them sperging out about how it must be pushing an agenda or "virtue signaling" or whatever. You could try turning their "Mike Pence zapping the gays" thing against them by implying that the Republicans want to take away their trap porn, or if you're willing to fight dirty you could even false flag and screech about well-liked minority characters, like claiming that the Shantae games are pro-Islam propaganda or something retarded like that.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the main way memes get spread to normies is through social media, keep in mind the sort of stuff that gets posted there and go from that. Holla Forums may think commie skellingtons are amusing, but the whole point of those was that they were originally ANTI-socialism propaganda, and that's how the normies will interpret it. Try to find youtube videos that both deride the alt-right and promote leftist talking points- try to find someone who can serve as a "Milo" for the left (you may be able to use older celebrities like Carlin in the meantime). It also might be a good idea to avoid outright leftist terminology and soviet imagery and such when dealing with them- many people know they're being screwed by big business, but socialism has become such a scare word that they will act against their own interests when it comes up, like how many people in the US are in favor of "Medicare for everyone" but if you call it single-payer or socialized medicine many of them will suddenly turn against the idea.

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That brings me to another point- the Republican party has already been acting to screw over their own voter base since Trump was elected, make sure these things stick to them. The health care bill is an absolute trainwreck and everyone knows it, and its important that they take the blame for it- work to get people thinking of it as "Trumpcare", don't let them try to deflect by calling it "Obamacare 2.0" the way they've been doing. Trump has already fucked up plenty, but the neoliberals have been focusing on stuff that doesn't directly affect the working class, like his tax-returns and potential ties to Russia and such. Focus your efforts on the stuff they've done that directly fucks people over, like the health care thing as well as stuff like removing anti-pollution regulations or their statement about cracking down on weed. Hell, you could even take the Trump administration's hardline stance about weed and illegal immigrants to imply that they're going to start cracking down on other benign crimes like media piracy. The looming threat of automation is another thing that could easily help to win over the people- they've fallen for the "they took er jerbs!" nonsense for now, but its not really something that the rich can misdirect from forever. Hell, the number one job in the country is truck drivers, and they're already being replaced by self-driving cars.
Another thing is to remember is where many of the aut-right originally came from- young men who feel alienated by society, and those who sympathize with them. They're some of the people who have been screwed over by Porky the most, but they've been convinced that their problems stem from things like feminism or immigration. I think you might be able to get some of them to realize that capitalism is the true cause by comparing the US to a place the nerds of Holla Forums and the NEEThikkis of /r9k/ know and love- Japan. Japan is more or less monocultural, highly actually reactionary, and with an ultra-corporatist economy like how the right wanks off about how they want the US to be, yet it also has the same problem of a dwindling birth rates and large number of socially isolated youth- this can be used to show that they're blaming their problem on the wrong thing, and draw their attention to the true cause.
Oh yeah, one last thing you could do to appeal to the more moderate or reluctant Trump supporters is to emphasize the fanatical, almost cult-like behavior of his "true believers"- you could shop those stupid MAGA hats onto the Jonestown aftermath, for example.


Okay, I'm curious- what exactly do you feel Holla Forums's "goal" is? As far as I can tell, the big issue is that you guys feel like society is against you in a lot of ways, and are reacting to that. There is actually some similarity between you guys and the left in this sense- but where you blame the source of this problem on things like minorities and feminism and such, the left recognizes these problems as a result of capitalist greed. After all, how can you live a meaningful, satisfying life when you have to become a wageslave doing work you hate just in order to obtain basic necessities like food, shelter, and medical care? You have little time for self-actualization or meaningful socialization because you're too busy working just to survive… and you're sadly misguided if you think far-right social and/or economic policies will fix these problems for you.

Just a fast random point I want to make; there's a loto of value in trying to "sanitize" and word socialism for people. What good is getting mildly socialist ideas passed if they can get show down easily by people simply called them "socialist" and getting everybody scared?

I'll read the rest later, good post.

40k fag here. Greater good is not communism, it's just social authoritarianism. The tau have a rigid class system and they're regularly sacrificed for the sake of their society by the ruling class. Tryanids are a better fit for communism.

We already have.Commie memes are very popular on MEMEBOOK.

I had a revalation today on halfchan

Holla Forums is a lost cause they are braindead. But Holla Forums and the other boards are actually really receptive to leftypol memes. I posted an anti capitalist thread on Holla Forums and it took of and got lots of discussion, even others posting leftpol stuff.

let Holla Forums contain themselves. Memetic warfare on the other boards..

yes big time

We need full spectrum shitposting. Chans, reddit, fagbook, TV, radio, movies.

Choke the bastards with our memes

ehhhhh idk. if OP is onto anything its self criticism. if we spam bad memes and we're just blind to the fact theyre bad, we are workign against ourselves