Right wingers constantly go on about muh culture, muh traditions, muh people

What.

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As a leftist who enjoys such gatherings, I go for the food, music, and other stuff. I don't feel some spooky "oh my god these are MY PEOPLE" connection.

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folk singers in the US have always had a socialist side to them

The song "This land is my land," has a line shitting on the notion of private property, and people think of this song like its the 2nd national anthem.

Woody Guthrie was a commie

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Right wingers have an utter contempt for "organic" culture, they crave for cement, steel, industry and the Bourgeois dick, elements of Capitalism which are fundamentally incompatible with traditionalism.

They want an imaginary version of the past, not authentic folk culture.

Why are you surprised? Nationalists hate their culture and their people, the only thing they care about are genetics and sucking a leader's cock.

Do you know about the Nazis' hunt for Atlantis? Their obsession with a fictional city they believed to be populated with impossible Aryan supermen that looked like living versions of Greek statues? Which they spent tons of man-hours researching the occult to find?

This is what rightists want when they say they want a "traditional society", a fantasy land where they can escape to get away from the scary niggers

Why are you surprised? Just go on halfchan/pol/ and see on the NotSocialism thread people from Romenia, Poland, Hungary and France wishing that Germany would invade their countries again.They are fake patriots and fake nationalists. They don't care about any tradition.

This reminds me of something I never had the chance of bringing up on Holla Forums
As other anons have said nazis hate their own country, a nazi has an idealized vision of his country that they seek to release even if that will materially destroy the country as it exists now because a nazi never wants his country as it is but how a dumb vision tells them it should be.
And in the historical field nazis always have an idealised vision of history, they think the middle ages were like in a fantasy novel and pretend most people were not serfs.
Nazis are just feels > realz on any subject they think about.

You know
Its called Not Socialism for a reason

Also if you love your people you want whats the best for them, and sometimes, in some context socialism might be the answer

Read Dostoevsky, people without work go mad

Faggot.

lol who's the fat nigger? you?

WEW

I'm sorry, I only talk to people who appreciate their heritage.

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Even the 'traditional women' pictures are overproduced garbage

Is there an archive link?

wat?

Then they will fucking start working in the field they're interested in.

Two of the bases of rightwing thought are ahistoricism and decontextualization. One way these manifest is by having a horribly misinformed view of the past, traditions etc. There's a gap the size of a galactic cluster between what Western civilization is and what the rightwinger meathead thinks it is. The average Soviet citizen was far, far more in touch with Western civilization than almost anyone alive now.

Holla Forums is outside of time and place

They exist in their homes, on the internet, with the last time they had significant contact with a mass of human beings was at most high school and at least community college

They defend an idea of culture that doesn't exist, and go on about how they want to impregnate women to perpetuate their culture like fucking deviant art inflation fetishists who wouldn't have any place in any local gathering of the culture they want to defend

They have no interest in learning of their culture either, when it doesn't suit them. So they shut themselves off and go autopilot for the rest of their lives screaming into infinity because public school didn't get them a trad wife instantly

I'm calling you a fucking no taste pleb.

Actual culture and tradition is the product of working people. Holla Forums's "tradition and culture" are products made for aristocrats and bourgeois.

you aren't welcome on this board. can you please go away

Because they actually read.

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ok I'll call you a nigger

Others have gotten this point across but fascists don't actually give a fuck about our culture and civilization. The Nazis burned books, and murdered/persecuted some of the greatest German artists. They had a common saying "when I hear the word culture I reach for my gun." The futurist movement which was a predecessor to fascism was openly contemptuous of Italy's great culture and history.

Fascist's only care about culture insofar as they can use it as a symbol to rally against "degeneracy" and generate tribalistic hatred. You need intellectual and emotional depth to truly appreciate art the people attracted to Fascism are emotionally stunted, shallow, anti-intellectual sociopaths.

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Wow, way to utterly banalize a complex topic.
Pic related, a culture hater's painting.

This always confused me. Weren't the Nazis all about muh culture? I might be looking at that quote without the context around it that you just gave.

That's the point they can only abide there fantasy version of it if someone else invokes it they either consider a corruption of the 'real culture' or just disregard it

Okay semen nigger

This niggas ancom? Huh?
Or did you mean you?

Wasn't that quote from a play meant to satirize those sympathies?

To be fair didn't the Soviets go on a similar massive spergout with Soviet realism?

You mean Stalin did. I know Holla Forums doesn't like the "great man theory", but it's absurd the degree to which Stalin imprinted his personality onto the entire system.

If folk culture is simply the result of whatever the local material conditions are, wouldn't a socialist society result in most of what we know as folk traditions disappearing?

the ancom is me

hurr ahurr durr

Hopefully we'll get some new ones.

Also you'll always have history buffs. People still go out and reenact the roman empire's battles and other such aspects of their culture. Humans have a long memory despite it not being the most accurate.

So there's no relationship between culture and the mode of production/material conditions?

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Culture is constantly changing, as is folk culture.

It won't disappear, it will change.

Interest in folk culture is largely due to it being prior to the commodification of culture by capitalism through the mass media.

Its from a play but one that celebrates not satirizes Nazi ideology. It was performed for Nazi leaders so presumably they agreed with the sentiment. Here is the context of the quote, also I slightly misquoted it:

I never said they hated culture in general just that they were contemptuous of Italy historical culture. We are in a thread discussing folk culture.

Also I am oversimplifying in calling them a predecessor to Fascism but the movements has similaries that many scholars have commented on.

Culture is not soley the result of the material conditions.
Establish six roughly identical FALC space colonies with identical conditions and everything, and in a few centuries many things about their local cultures will be very different.
Not that reverence for folk-culture/'heritage' isnt a spook.

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That BBQ episode was good, but I really wanna see what potted beef is like

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I am not quite sure what you mean by that, but culture is indeed shaped by material conditions. What aspect of culture do you think is not determined by material conditions?

If this person is some Holla Forumsack I assume its muh races and *IQ or some shit

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My bad.

sounds pretty fucking boring

The part where people just do shit because its what they see other people doing, or what they were taught, or because of some perception relative to their idea of 'normal', or whatever memes are floating around their head.
'Soley' is the relevant word. Dont be a complete sperg about muh materialism. Economics and material concerns are the most important ones, and they do have an extremely important influence on culture, but they aren't the sole determinant of everything ever full stop. It doesnt dictate when I need to take a piss or what I do when I sit down and aimlessly fuck with a guitar either.

bite me.

I really wanna try that sourkraut recipe, damn

You know if it was some Holla Forumsack in your place it would be about race and intelligence

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Their ideology is fundamentally based on rejection of rationalism. That the past they glorify was really nothing like their fantasies isn't relevant, the sentiment is.

Quality post user

You sound pretty fucking boring

that's material conditions tbh

Stay cucked Holla Forums

You should have expected, tbh.
Actually studying and participating in folk tradition is a combination of chill and literacy.

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Why wouldn't you want to escape into fantasy? Reality is horrible.
It would probably even be horrible under communism, albeit much less so.

if you want to escape into fantasy definetely do so, but don't try to take the whole world into your shitty fanfiction.
and if you HAVE to involve everyone else pick some fantasy that isn't shit

Is it a folk MUSIC society?

Folk music is the farthest-left genre, bar none.

Self-aware escapism is healthy. Conflating reality and fantasy is not.

Wait is he an Ancom?

Yes, folk music, but also "dance, crafts and lore"

On the whole, the rejection of reason actually seems remarkably useful for getting shit done.
Though generally problems arise because you need to keep the plates spinning: You need to reject reason while retaining just enough of it in just the right concepts to stop you doing something fucking dumb like invading Russia.

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This.

If you're worried about folk culture disappearing, I'd be more worried about the effects of capitalism. Example: the exactingly generic look of just about every single beach town on any given American coast.

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Yes you do, be honest, that's the psychological reason you see value in it. The threat of dissapearence of traditions, you wouldn't care if you didn't feel that way on some level.

You just think you are tfw too smart to feel that way, so you try to intellectualize it away.

Holla Forums pls

LMAO

Mah nigga

I'm not Holla Forums, I have been involved in cultural activities since I was an early teen, I recognised why I still do it, and it is down to connection to people. Not generic civic stuff, but ancestor traditions being kept alive.

If you ask most people why they want to keep traditions alive, it's because of a connection to 'people', trying to call this shit spooks and disregarding you may as well just give up because you will lose.

Where did he say that you should never work?
Way to completely miss the entire point.

Doesn't matter. They can join the spooks they love so much if they refuse to embrace the rational enlightenment of communism.

Doesn't work that way, you have it backwards.

Did it ever cross your mind that not everyone have the same tought process as you? Did it ever cross your mind that people can enjoy things for different reasons?
Did you never learn than projection is not a valid argument?

I'm not reading the last ten posts, can someone summarize what the shut ins at Holla Forums are claiming they know about their local customs and community or what traditions they're actually fighting for

I'm barely curious

Fucking right wingers…

Read it you gay retard

Give me the motivation

Just go to bed american girl. Your problem is that you're sleepy.

So basically LARPing without the autism.

I just woke up actually.

Here's your last (you)

I hope you kill yourself or stop being such an irritating attentionwhoring piece of shit

To a certain degree maybe, I don't see it as "roleplaying" in the traditional sense.

This, capitalism is the enemy of nationalism

Dream on 😘

Little white Americans and Europeans playing nationalism is adorable as it is annoying

DREAM FOR THE YEARS

I was making a reference to the movie "Jacob's Ladder", actually

I was making a reference to Aerosmith's classic anthem "Dream On," actually

No, I would say the two are very much aligned.

Yes, I also recognize self delusion, the reason left and right can enjoy these things is the same reason with different validations, at the core it's the same.

And yes it is projecting from both sides too.

I was making a reference to if you don't reply to this post your mother will die in her sleep tonight, actually

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I love traditions, history and culture but would never kill for it. Its a matter of morals.

No dickhead, I said everyone, not everyone but me, I know I'm projecting, that is the point. People trying to gloss over their interest in their cultural traditions as 'totally not spooked not interested in people' are lying faggots.

You would say that wouldn't you. I don't think it can be more obvious that communism's end game to create a global borderless, culturaless, raceless, and materialist society is actually capitalism's end game to create a borderless, raceless and materialist society.

I'd be pissed at Porky too if I was born into conscription as a shit skin foot soldier but let's not pretend that ethno-nationalism isn't the only real oppositon.

Pretty much what I expected.

Compatible, but not aligned completely

For some porkies, nationalism is great - remember to buy British, kids!
But for others, nationalism is bad - remember how Thatcher saved you from inefficient industry, by cluster bombing it and ruining your balance of trade, Gweilo!

You know that "deep down, everyone feels like me" is the epitome of projection right?
I get it, you being interested in cultural traditions stem from attachment to your people.
Does not means everyone is engaging in it to feel some mystical feeling of belonging.

Everyone without autism is

Here in Brittany, France an ultranationalist manlet called Boris Le Lay got pissed that local tradition-married folk have open doors for people of any race to join in festivities and local culture. He himself turned out, in the end, to be a total self-hating weeb who had not shown up even a single day to those festivities or spent even a single hour of his efforts aiding them. He was just frustrated that some black folks were joining in and helping too, and he ended up not just angrily blogging racist shit about it, but also tried to assault one black guy on the streets. He emigrated to Japan, where he blogs now. Pathetic lowlifes like him write their own parodies.

If you want to try your French: lemonde.fr/police-justice/article/2015/05/29/racisme-un-blogueur-breton-condamne-a-de-la-prison-ferme_4643451_1653578.html

Trying to find a good piece on this in English but there's so many cases of autism like this it seems no foreigners have bothered.

NORMALFAG GET OUT!
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Seriously, your own feelings are not a reliable way to assert something about everybody's feelings

You knew what i meant faggot.

Every culture stems from the material conditions of the society that gave birth to it, but that's not fancy enough for faggots so they need to attribute it to some mystical essence.

I suppose I would say that too if my history wasn't rooted in thousands of years of literature, art, philosophy and religion.

How will Americans ever recover?

All of thoses are also shaped by the reproduction of daiy life tough.

Based post.

Are you claiming other cultures don't have good traditions or something?

That's still material you incredible dolt.

Reactionaries have always hated actual existing cultures, they prefer a fantasy based on what they think those cultures should look like.

This is because fascist leaders believe in myth making, they seek to create a culture devoid of heritage and history. On in which they can define the past present and future on their terms.

Fascism ultimately seeks to destroy /poll/'s precious "heritage"

Fascism prefers the Vegas strip Caesar's Palace to the Parthenon

I mean, you aren't wrong, capitalism is inherently corrosive to traditional institutions.

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How does one become a Kangz n_igger

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So fascism is idealism?

By "native" do you mean the indigenous tribes?

Because I don't think anyone was implying that it had anything to do with the indigenous tribes.

Please read a book or skim a wiki article.

he wrote a bunch of books and was a pro gambler.

Did you ever wonder why lefties would be interested in folk culture if it was incompatible with "Marxist lies"

Are memes material? Because this one is dogshit.

Do you know how to use imageboards? I can explain if you like.

you can browse a physical book if you prefer

Materialist philosophy is intended to be transhistorical, just as material reality is transhistorical. That means it's no less relevant because of the passage of time unless the distant past was some sort of immaterial spirit realm.